User talk:Spinovenator

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Welcome to FrathWiki! We hope you will contribute much and well. You will probably want to read the [Help:Contents help pages]. Again, welcome and have fun! WeepingElf (talk) 07:57, 11 December 2017 (PST)

I have deleted the "Tommian" pages for two reasons: 1. I have dropped the idea of a large Para-Kartvelian family. 2. The family was named after a former bandmate of mine who turned out to be a fraud. --WeepingElf (talk) 09:08, 4 May 2018 (PDT)

I think para-Kartvelian is not entirely crazy, it could have existed but maybe it was not such a massive family with Semitic or Indo-European. --Spinovenator (talk) 15:04, 10 May 2018 (PDT)

Meanwhile, I am back to the notion that Mirian, as I call it now, is distantly related to Kartvelian, but it is a good deal remoter than the relationship between Hesperic and IE, more like IE and Uralic. There will be hardly any lexical cognates, and a few morphological resemblances. What regards Proto-Kartvelian perhaps having been a plain nominative-accusative language, this can't be ruled out for sure (as the ergative suffixes of the individual Kartvelian languages are not cognate), but it may well have been the case that Proto-Kartvelian already was split-ergative but the original ergative suffix eroded by sound change and individually renewed in the modern languages. At any rate, there is no reason why Proto-Mirian couldn't have been split-ergative! --WeepingElf (talk) 07:00, 11 May 2018 (PDT) See mi

I've answered that here: Talk:Huamish. Mirian could have adopted the split-ergativity of a substrate language, it would be cool! Do you see possible that para-kartvelian (AKA Huamish) had arrived in the Iberian peninsula? I Could modify it to adapt it to Italy peninsula, but I don't know... --Spinovenator (talk) 16:32, 13 May 2018 (PDT)

Fine - I have answered that there. I now feel like breaking up Mirian entirely; the LBK language and Razaric would be different language families, neither related to Kartvelian, and Eteonoric a branch of the LBK family. But I am not sure about this yet, and I have postponed all work on these entities, as I have other matters to wrap my mind around. Hence, for now I shall leave the Mirian FrathWiki pages as they are now, until I have made a decision. --WeepingElf (talk) 12:46, 14 May 2018 (PDT)

I see you have completely discarded Huamish; do you want me to delete the blanked pages? I have read your message to me, which I reply to here. I understand that; it is very, very uncertain whether the Cardial-Impresso people spoke a language related to the LBK people or not. After all, they seem to originate in somewhat different regions, and the Neolithic Near East seems to have been full of small language families, so two families may have made the trip to Europe, one in the Mediterranean, one along the Danube. And of course, the idea that the LBK and related people spoke something related to Kartvelian is a highly speculative one for which there is rather little evidence (there is the Y-DNA haplogroup G2a - AFAIK not in the Cardial-Impresso area! - but genes aren't languages; there is a paper by Edzard Furnée who says that some Pre-Greek substratum words are similar to Georgian words, but most of his etymologies are probably bogus; there is the notion that the centum IE languages are due to a substratum that had labialized but no palatalized consonants which in some way fits the Kartvelian hypothesis - Kartvelian has no labialized consonants but *Cw clusters - but that too doesn't really mean that this substratum was related to Kartvelian, either). So the idea that Agroic was related to Kartvelian is only a vague possibility which could be explored in a conlang family but nothing more. --WeepingElf (talk) 08:30, 25 October 2018 (PDT)

OK; I'll leave the pages where they are. What regards your idea of a large consonant inventory, I rather feel that for the Iberian peninsula, small inventories were more typical, as can be seen with Proto-Basque, Iberian and Tartessian (unless the Paleo-Hispanic scripts are underspecifying), perhaps as a part of an ancient cline from small inventories in the west to large ones in the east. --WeepingElf (talk) 14:12, 25 October 2018 (PDT)