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# Features | # Features | ||
## Phonology | ## Phonology | ||
### | ### Vowel harmony | ||
### A couple of clicks and ejectives (un-earth-like) | ### A couple of clicks, and ejectives (un-earth-like) | ||
### CV, and CVC | ### CV, and CVC | ||
## Grammar | ## Grammar | ||
### No verbs at all | ### No verbs at all | ||
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#### Cultural inwardness → deep philosophies of stasis and permanence | #### Cultural inwardness → deep philosophies of stasis and permanence | ||
### Time is measured in generations, epochs, weathering of stone, growth cycles of ultra-slow plants | ### Time is measured in generations, epochs, weathering of stone, growth cycles of ultra-slow plants | ||
== Go == | |||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
! Case !! Function !! Gloss | ! Case !! Function !! Gloss !! Ending | ||
|+ Existential cases | |+ Existential cases | ||
|- | |- | ||
! Topical | ! Topical | ||
| Frames the referent of the utterance || “As for…” | | Frames the referent of the utterance || “As for…” | ||
! -Mp'a | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Identity | ! Identity | ||
| Category, essence, nominal predicate || “is a…” / “equals…” | | Category, essence, nominal predicate || “is a…” / “equals…” | ||
! - | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Possessive | ! Possessive | ||
| ownership, authorship, kinship, part-whole || “X’s Y” | | ownership, authorship, kinship, part-whole || “X’s Y” | ||
! -rkI | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Genitive | ! Genitive | ||
| association, content, theme, objective, attribution || “Y of X” | | association, content, theme, objective, attribution || “Y of X” | ||
! -ł(Ɛ) | |||
|} | |} | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|+ Where/When Cases | |+ Where/When Cases | ||
! Case !! Function !! Typical gloss | ! Case !! Function !! Typical gloss !! Ending | ||
|- | |- | ||
! Locative | ! Locative | ||
| Place, state, context of being, time-within || “in,” “at,” “on”, "during" | | Place, state, context of being, time-within || “in,” “at,” “on”, "during" | ||
! -f' | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Dative | ! Dative | ||
| Target, direction || “to,” “for,” “until", "as far as" | | Target, direction || “to,” “for,” “until", "as far as" | ||
! -Mk'O | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Ablative | ! Ablative | ||
| Source, cause, origin || “from,” “because of,” “due to” | | Source, cause, origin || “from,” “because of,” “due to” | ||
! -bdI | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Benefactive | ! Benefactive | ||
| Advantage, interest, concern || “for the benefit of…”, "at the behest of" | | Advantage, interest, concern || “for the benefit of…”, "at the behest of" | ||
! -aI | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Abessive | ! Abessive | ||
| Absence, privation, “lacking” || “without,” “lacking,” “free from”, "exclude" | | Absence, privation, “lacking” || “without,” “lacking,” “free from”, "exclude" | ||
! -st'Ɛ | |||
|} | |} | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|+ How Cases | |+ How Cases | ||
! Case !! Function !! Typical gloss | ! Case !! Function !! Typical gloss !! Ending | ||
|- | |- | ||
! Instrumental | ! Instrumental | ||
| Means, medium, material || “by (means of)”, “through,” “with”, "using" | | Means, medium, material || “by (means of)”, “through,” “with”, "using" | ||
! -fla | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Adverbial | ! Adverbial | ||
| Role/state modifier, part of speech shift || “as (a) X,” “in a X way”, "like" | | Role/state modifier, part of speech shift || “as (a) X,” “in a X way”, "like" | ||
! -Oad | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Translative | ! Translative | ||
| Change of state, | | Change of state, transform/manifestation || “becoming,” “into,” “turning into” | ||
! -k'(I) | |||
|} | |} | ||
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Polypersonal pronouns: | Polypersonal pronouns: | ||
== Phonology == | |||
{| class="bluetable" style="text-align:center; float:left" | |||
! !! Bilabial !! Labiolingual !! Alveolar !! Velar !! Glottal | |||
|- | |||
! Nasal | |||
| colspan="4" | /m~n~ŋ/ || | |||
|- | |||
! Voiced Stop | |||
| b || || d || g || | |||
|- | |||
! Eject. Stop | |||
| pʼ || || t’ || k’ || ʔ | |||
|- | |||
! Unvoiced Stop | |||
| p || || t || k~x || | |||
|- | |||
! Plain Fricative | |||
| ɸ~β || θ̼~ð̼ || s~z || || | |||
|- | |||
! Eject. Fricative | |||
| ɸʼ || θ̼ʼ || s’~ts’ || || | |||
|- | |||
! Approx./Trill | |||
| w || || r || j || h~ɦ | |||
|- | |||
! Laterals | |||
| || l̼ || ɬ || || | |||
|} | |||
{| class="bluetable" style="float:right; text-align:center;" | |||
! !! Front !! Back | |||
|- | |||
! High | |||
| i || u | |||
|- | |||
! High-Mid | |||
| e || o | |||
|- | |||
! Low-Mid | |||
| ɛ || ɔ | |||
|- | |||
! Low | |||
| colspan="2" | ä | |||
|} | |||
Allophony: | |||
* nasal + labial ejective -> [m͡ʘ] | |||
* nasal + non-labial ejective -> [ŋ͡ǃ] | |||
Revision as of 07:27, 23 March 2025
Goals
- Endgoal - A truly verbless language I can use
- Vague phrases
- Glacial pace
- Navajo-of-nouns
- lazy but clever
- carved in stone
- complicated rituals
- Naturalism - 6/10
- I want some naturalistic elements
- Different setting (parallel Earth)
- Different nature (immortal humans)
- Irregularities but not many
- Idioms within reason
- Complexity - insane. Navajo but with only nouns
- Derivation - clear. Agglutinative, basically
- Features
- Phonology
- Vowel harmony
- A couple of clicks, and ejectives (un-earth-like)
- CV, and CVC
- Grammar
- No verbs at all
- assumed copular between topic and subject
- 6 nouns classes (genders), like animacy
- Many cases (12?)
- Case-stacking
- word glue, like German
- mostly agglutinative, touch of fusional
- Culture
- things happen, not because someone does them, but because the world unfolds in prescribed patterns
- discourse is formulaic, ceremonial, or sacred: more on set relational expressions and fixed semantic roles, rather than on active description of novel events
- agency is less linguistically salient, so predicates assigning blame, initiative, or creativity are avoided
- Tidally Locked Planet
- The sun never moves in the sky.
- The world is divided into zones of permanent day, eternal night, and a narrow habitable twilight ring.
- People live in a stable band where temperature and light are forever the same.
- Mountain life
- Isolated communities → heavy internal consistency, less external pressure to simplify
- Thin air → favoring sharp, closed articulation: ejectives, glottalization, voiceless stops
- Cultural inwardness → deep philosophies of stasis and permanence
- Time is measured in generations, epochs, weathering of stone, growth cycles of ultra-slow plants
- Phonology
Go
| Case | Function | Gloss | Ending |
|---|---|---|---|
| Topical | Frames the referent of the utterance | “As for…” | -Mp'a |
| Identity | Category, essence, nominal predicate | “is a…” / “equals…” | - |
| Possessive | ownership, authorship, kinship, part-whole | “X’s Y” | -rkI |
| Genitive | association, content, theme, objective, attribution | “Y of X” | -ł(Ɛ) |
| Case | Function | Typical gloss | Ending |
|---|---|---|---|
| Locative | Place, state, context of being, time-within | “in,” “at,” “on”, "during" | -f' |
| Dative | Target, direction | “to,” “for,” “until", "as far as" | -Mk'O |
| Ablative | Source, cause, origin | “from,” “because of,” “due to” | -bdI |
| Benefactive | Advantage, interest, concern | “for the benefit of…”, "at the behest of" | -aI |
| Abessive | Absence, privation, “lacking” | “without,” “lacking,” “free from”, "exclude" | -st'Ɛ |
| Case | Function | Typical gloss | Ending |
|---|---|---|---|
| Instrumental | Means, medium, material | “by (means of)”, “through,” “with”, "using" | -fla |
| Adverbial | Role/state modifier, part of speech shift | “as (a) X,” “in a X way”, "like" | -Oad |
| Translative | Change of state, transform/manifestation | “becoming,” “into,” “turning into” | -k'(I) |
| Not "Container" (mass: ?, ??) | "Container" (count: ?, ??) | |
|---|---|---|
| Idea + Matter | Animals (also temperaments) | Persons / Gods |
| Matter only | (Diffuse) Substances: air, fire | Tools , "rocks" |
| Idea only | Actions | Abstracts, Categories, Sets |
Number: Containers are unmarked for number, as in Chinese/Japanese/Korean. Non-containers default to a collective/mass-noun number, but can take a partitive (which can mean as few as one).
Polypersonal pronouns:
Phonology
| Bilabial | Labiolingual | Alveolar | Velar | Glottal | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Nasal | /m~n~ŋ/ | ||||
| Voiced Stop | b | d | g | ||
| Eject. Stop | pʼ | t’ | k’ | ʔ | |
| Unvoiced Stop | p | t | k~x | ||
| Plain Fricative | ɸ~β | θ̼~ð̼ | s~z | ||
| Eject. Fricative | ɸʼ | θ̼ʼ | s’~ts’ | ||
| Approx./Trill | w | r | j | h~ɦ | |
| Laterals | l̼ | ɬ | |||
| Front | Back | |
|---|---|---|
| High | i | u |
| High-Mid | e | o |
| Low-Mid | ɛ | ɔ |
| Low | ä | |
Allophony:
- nasal + labial ejective -> [m͡ʘ]
- nasal + non-labial ejective -> [ŋ͡ǃ]