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|native=хэбьер̀эч йэзок
|native=хэбьер̀эч йэзок
|pronounce=Standard: {{IPA|/xɛ.bʲer.ɛt͡ʃ jɛ.zok/}}
|pronounce=Standard: /xɛ.bʲer.ɛt͡ʃ jɛ.zok/<br>Northern: [xɛ.bʲe.rɜt͡ʃ jɜ.zok]<br>Coastal: [xɛ.bʲe.ʁɛt͡ʃ jɛ.zok]<br>Southern: [xɜ.bʲert͡ʃ jzok]<br>Inland: [ɸ̞ʲert͡ʃ jzok], [ɸ̞ʲerd.‿d͡ʒok]
:Northern: {{IPA|[xɛ.bʲe.rɛt͡ʃ jɛ.zok]}}
:Southern: {{IPA|[xɜ.bʲer(ɜ)t͡ʃ jzok]}}
|species=Human
|species=Human
|in=Mainly around Basque country
|in=Mainly around Basque country
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==Dialects==
==Dialects==
Iberic has two main dialects (though they are more accurately called "dialect groups"), those being Northern and Southern. The standard form of the language is based on the Northern varieties, as they tend to preserve vowels better.
Iberic has two main dialect groups, Northern and Southern. Traditionally, the standards for these were based around Vitoria-Gasteiz (Northern) and Pamplona (Southern), but these have gotten less helpful as the Far Northern and Far Southern varieties have continued to diverge. The divergence of these varieties has necessitated further distinctions, so modern day linguists also list "Coastal" (Far Northern) and "Inland" (Far Southern).
 
Standard Iberic is based off what is spoken in Vitoria-Gasteiz.


The largest difference between Northern and Southern is pronunciation, as grammar stays relatively uniform across all varieties.
The largest difference between Northern and Southern is pronunciation, as grammar stays relatively uniform across all varieties.
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Northern is often considered the more prestigious dialect, especially that spoken in and around [[wp:Vitoria-Gasteiz|Vitoria-Gasteiz]], though the far north varieties are often considered improper by those farther south, this leads to a stigma around it for some speakers, which causes them to try to use a different variety, often overcorrecting themselves.
Northern is often considered the more prestigious dialect, especially that spoken in and around [[wp:Vitoria-Gasteiz|Vitoria-Gasteiz]], though the far north varieties are often considered improper by those farther south, this leads to a stigma around it for some speakers, which causes them to try to use a different variety, often overcorrecting themselves.


===Coastal===
Also called "Far Northern"


===Southern===
===Southern===
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Southern is known for its vowel deletion (affecting reduced /ɛ/ and /ɔ/), which leads to clusters the Northern dialects do not allow, such as [jzok] (Northern [jɜ.zok]), see the phonology section below for further information.
Southern is known for its vowel deletion (affecting reduced /ɛ/ and /ɔ/), which leads to clusters the Northern dialects do not allow, such as [jzok] (Northern [jɜ.zok]), see the phonology section below for further information.
===Inland===
Also called "Far Southern"


==Phonology and Orthography==
==Phonology and Orthography==
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! Voiced
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| z
| z
| ʒ
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! colspan=2 | Approximant
! colspan=2 | Approximant
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| ʋ
| ɾ⁴, r⁴
| ɾ³,
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| j
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| l
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:1: May be realized as [θ] in some Southern varieties.
:1: May be realized as [θ] in some Southern varieties.
:2: May merge with /ʃ/ or become [s] in Southern varieties.
:2: May merge with /ʃ/ or become [s] in Southern varieties.
:3: Often realized as [ʋ]
:3: In the far north, these often merge to [ʁ], which has been called the "Northern burr", after the Northumbrian burr.
:4: In the far north, these often merge to [ʁ], which has been called the "Northern burr", after the Northumbrian burr.
:4: Southern varieties may shift this to [ʝ].
:5: Southern varieties may shift this to [ʝ].




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|-
| В в
| В в
| W w
|
| /w/
| [w~ʋ]
| [w~ʋ]
|-
| В̀ в̀
| V v
| V v
|  
|  
| /v/
| /ʋ/
| [v~ʋ]
| [ʋ]
| [ʋ]
| [ʋ]
|-
|-
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*Word finally, voiceless stops are aspirated.
*Word finally, voiceless stops are aspirated.
*/eR, ɛR/ and /ɔR, oR/, where /R/ is a coda rhotic, are always [ɛR] and [ɔR], /uR/ is variable, [uR] is most common in Northern varieties, though the far north uses [ʊR], and the south often uses [əR] or [uR], but /ur/ is often [r̩] in all varieties.
*/eR, ɛR/ and /ɔR, oR/, where /R/ is a coda rhotic, are always [ɛR] and [ɔR], /uR/ is variable, [uR] is most common in Northern varieties, though the far north uses [ʊR], and the south often uses [əR] or [uR], but /ur/ is often [r̩] in all varieties.
*/xw/ is almost always realized as [ʍ].
*// is almost always realized as [ʋ̥].
 
For Coastal, disregard all vowel reduction, as Coastal fully lacks it.
 
==Grammar==
===Morphology===
Roughly speaking, Iberic is a fusional language with ergative/absolutive alignment, though the system is far more in depth than that.
====Nouns====
Nouns have six cases, those are: Ergative, Genitive, Dative, Absolutive, Instrumental, and Locative. Some elder speakers may retain a vocative, but it has often merged with the ergative form-wise.
 
As the ergative/absolutive alignment was a new innovation, the dictionary form is the ergative, not the absolutive.
 
Nouns have several patterns, they are:
:Short o — From Proto-Slavic's O stems.
::Short o, plain — From Proto-Slavic's Hard O stem.
::Short o, palatal — From Proto-Slavic's soft O stem.
::ę — From Proto-Slavic's Soft O stem
:::Long ę — Formed from a contraction, acts like an irregular form of the ę stem
::ǫ — From Proto-Slavic's Hard O stem
:a — From Proto-Slavic's A stems
:i — From Proto-Slavic's I stems
(list not complete)
 
The following is a set of tables to display the noun inflections.
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ агн́эт (Short o, plain)
|-
!
! Singular
! Dual
! Plural
|-
! Ergative
| агн́эт
| агн́эда
| агн́эдэже
|-
! Genitive
| агн́эда
| агн́эбу
| агн́эт
|-
! Dative
| агн́эбу
| агн́эдъма
| агн́эдъм
|-
! Absolutive
| агн́эт
| агн́эда
| агн́эдо
|-
! Instrumental
| агн́эдъмь
| агн́эдъма
| агн́эдо
|-
! Locative
| агн́эдэж
| агн́эбу
| агн́эдэжэ
|-
|}
 
{|
|- style="vertical-align: top;"
|   
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ -тэшэ (ę)
|-
!
! Singular
! Dual
! Plural
|-
! Ergative
| -тэшэ
| -тэйа
| -чѐ
|-
! Genitive
| -тэйа
| -чеву
| -тэшэ
|-
! Dative
| -чеву
| -тэ̀ма
| -тэ̀м
|-
! Absolutive
| -тэшэ
| -тэйа
| -тѐйэ
|-
! Instrumental
| -тэ̀мь
| -тэ̀ма
| -чѐ
|-
! Locative
| -чѐ
| -чеву
| -чѐ
|-
|}
|
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ -э̀ (Long ę)
|-
!
! Singular
! Dual
! Plural
|-
! Ergative
| -э̀
| -йѝ
| -эйа
|-
! Genitive
| -эйа
| -йиво
| -йе
|-
! Dative
| -йиво
| -э̀ма
| -э̀м
|-
! Absolutive
| -э̀
| -йѝ
| -эйа
|-
! Instrumental
| -э̀мь
| -э̀ма
| -йѝ
|-
! Locative
| -йѝ
| -йиво
| -йѝ
|-
|}
|}
 
====Pronouns====
The pronouns inflect for the same categories as nouns, with the addition of possessive forms distinct from the genitive.
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Standard Iberic personal pronouns
|-
! colspan=3 |
! Erg
! Abs
! Gen/Loc
! Dat
! Instr
! Poss
|-
! rowspan=5 | Singular
! colspan=2 | 1st
| йа̀з
| мьэи
| мэинэ
| мэн́э
| мъневъ
| ме
|-
! colspan=2 | 2nd
| тоу
| чэи
| тэибэ
| тэбьэ
| тъбевъ
| пе
|-
! rowspan=3 | 3rd
! M
| colspan=2 | ън
| ънъмь
| ънъмо
| ън́емь
| rowspan=3 | ъне¹
|-
! F
| ъна
| ъмъ
| ънейа
| ън́э
| ъневъ
|-
! N*
| colspan=2 | ънъ
| ънъмь
| ънъмо
| ън́емь
|-
! rowspan=5 | Dual
! colspan=2 | 1st
| йэи
| на̀
| нэво
| colspan=2 | нама
| наш
|-
! colspan=2 | 2nd
| colspan=2 | ва̀
| вэво
| colspan=2 | вама
| ваш
|-
! rowspan=3 | 3rd
! M
| colspan=2 | ъна
| rowspan=3 | ъневу
| colspan=2 rowspan=3 | ън́ема
| rowspan=3 | ън́е¹
|-
! F
| colspan=2 rowspan=2 | ън́э
|-
! N*
|-
! rowspan=5 | Plural
! colspan=2 | 1st
| моу
| ноу
| нас
| нам
| намье
| наш
|-
! colspan=2 | 2nd
| colspan=2 | воу
| вас
| вам
| вамье
| ваш
|-
! rowspan=3 | 3rd
! M
| ън́е
| ъно
| rowspan=3 | ън́э
| rowspan=3 | ън́ем
| rowspan=3 | ън́емье
| rowspan=3 | ъме¹
|-
! F
| colspan=2 | ъно
|-
! N*
| colspan=2 | ъна
|-
! colspan=3 | Reflexive
| —
| шэи
| сэибэ
| сэбьэ
| събевъ
| фе
|}
 
: * The neuter is extremely rare outside formal speech, mostly only appearing in set phrases, in the North, the masc/fem distinction is animate/inanimate under Basque influence.
:1: This is limited to casual speech, as it is a modern formation.
 
=====Coastal=====
A major feature of Coastal Iberic is the development of enclitic pronouns, the enclitics decline as well, for fewer categories though, and some are used differently.
*Absolutive: The usage of this is the same as usual, except it has suffixed to the verb.
*Genitive/Locative: This is used differently than usual, meaning "from" or "at", largely determined by context, and is affixed to nouns, thus "шеврмен" (śevrmen) is "I (am) from/at (the) north".
*Dative: This retains its usual meaning.
*Instrumental: This is usually used as a marker of who used the instrument, when saying someone is the instrument, the independent pronoun is used.
*Possessive: These work like the possessed forms in languages like Finnish.
 
Proclitic ergative pronouns do exist, but are rarer, they're mostly used to distinguish verb firms that are identical or highly similar.
 
The reason the clitic pronouns developed is unknown, though they're thought to come from, at least in part, the reduction and eventual affixation of the independent pronouns
<br>
This theory is rejected by some linguists, with alternate theories including some kind of outside influence, but this is extremely unlikely, as Iberic has had no known contact with a language that uses enclitic pronouns.
 
(table will be made later)
 
====Adjectives====
====Verbs====
===Syntax===

Revision as of 11:09, 17 December 2025



Iberic
хэбьер̀эч йэзок
Pronounced: Standard: /xɛ.bʲer.ɛt͡ʃ jɛ.zok/
Northern: [xɛ.bʲe.rɜt͡ʃ jɜ.zok]
Coastal: [xɛ.bʲe.ʁɛt͡ʃ jɛ.zok]
Southern: [xɜ.bʲert͡ʃ jzok]
Inland: [ɸ̞ʲert͡ʃ jzok], [ɸ̞ʲerd.‿d͡ʒok]
Species: Human
Spoken: Mainly around Basque country
Total speakers: ~4,000,000
Writing system: Cyrillic
Genealogy: Proto-Slavic
Old Iberic
Iberic
Typology
Morphological type: Fusional
Morphosyntactic alignment: Ergative
Basic word order: Free
Credits
Creator: Lumi
Created: December 11th, 2025

Iberic (Iberic: хэбьер̀эч йэзок, /xɛ.bʲer.ɛt͡ʃ jɛ.zok/) is a Slavic language spoken in Iberia, around Basque country, it is notable for the significant amount of influence it has recieved from Basque, especially the shift of the nominative/accusative system into an ergative/absolutive one.

Dialects

Iberic has two main dialect groups, Northern and Southern. Traditionally, the standards for these were based around Vitoria-Gasteiz (Northern) and Pamplona (Southern), but these have gotten less helpful as the Far Northern and Far Southern varieties have continued to diverge. The divergence of these varieties has necessitated further distinctions, so modern day linguists also list "Coastal" (Far Northern) and "Inland" (Far Southern).

Standard Iberic is based off what is spoken in Vitoria-Gasteiz.

The largest difference between Northern and Southern is pronunciation, as grammar stays relatively uniform across all varieties.

Northern

Northern (Iberic: шеврхэбьер̀эч йэзок (formal) or шеврйэзок (usual)) is spoken in the Basque autonomous region of Spain.

Northern is often considered the more prestigious dialect, especially that spoken in and around Vitoria-Gasteiz, though the far north varieties are often considered improper by those farther south, this leads to a stigma around it for some speakers, which causes them to try to use a different variety, often overcorrecting themselves.

Coastal

Also called "Far Northern"

Southern

Southern is spoken in Basque country, in the areas south of the Basque autonomous region.

Southern is known for its vowel deletion (affecting reduced /ɛ/ and /ɔ/), which leads to clusters the Northern dialects do not allow, such as [jzok] (Northern [jɜ.zok]), see the phonology section below for further information.

Inland

Also called "Far Southern"

Phonology and Orthography

Phonology
Labial Alveolar Palatal Velar
Nasal m n ɲ
Plosive Unvoiced p t c k
Voiced b d ɟ g
Fricative Unvoiced f s̻¹, s̺² ʃ x
Voiced z ʒ
Affricate Unvoiced t͡s̺ t͡ʃ
Voiced d͡ʒ
Approximant ʋ ɾ³, r³ j
Lateral l ʎ⁴
1: May be realized as [θ] in some Southern varieties.
2: May merge with /ʃ/ or become [s] in Southern varieties.
3: In the far north, these often merge to [ʁ], which has been called the "Northern burr", after the Northumbrian burr.
4: Southern varieties may shift this to [ʝ].


Orthography
Letter Transcription Name Pronunciation
Phoneme North South
А а A a /ɑ/ [ɑ~ɐ~ä] [ɑ~ɐ~ä]
Б б B b /b/ [b] [b~β̞]
В в V v /ʋ/ [ʋ] [ʋ]
Г г G g /ɡ/ [ɡ] [ɡ~ɣ̞]
Ѓ ѓ Ď ď /ɟ/ [ɟ] [ɟ~ʝ̞~j]
Д д D d /d/ [d] [d~ð̞]
Е е E e /e/ [e~ɘ] [e~ɘ~ə]
Ж ж Ž ž /ʒ/ [ʒ] [ʒ]
З з Z z /z/ [z] [z]
И и I i /i/ [i~ɨ] [i~ɨ]
Й й Y y /j/ [j] [j]
К к K k /k/ [k] [k]
Ќ ќ Ť ť /c/ [c] [c~kʲ]
Л л L l /l/ [l] [l]
Л́ л́ Ľ ľ /ʎ/ [ʎ~ʝ] [ʝ]
М м M m /m/ [m] [m]
Н н N n /n/ [n] [n]
Н́ н́ Ň ň /ɲ/ [ɲ] [ɲ]
О о O o /o/ [o~ɵ] [o~ɵ~ə]
П п P p /p/ [p] [p]
Р р R r /ɾ/ [ɾ~r] [ɾ]
Р̀ р̀ Ř ř /r/ [r] [r]
С с S s /s̻/ [s̻] [s̻~θ]
Т т T t /t/ [t] [t]
У у U u /u/ [u~ʊ] [u~ʊ]
Ф ф F f /f/ [f] [f]
Х х H h /x/ [x] [x]
Ц ц Č č /t͡s̺/ [t͡s̺] [t͡s̺~t͡ʃ]
Џ џ J j /d͡ʒ/ [d͡ʒ] [d͡ʒ]
Ч ч Ć ć /t͡ʃ/ [t͡ʃ] [t͡ʃ]
Ш ш Ś ś /ʃ/ [ʃ] [ʃ]
Щ щ Š š /s̺/ [s̺] [s̺~ʃ]
Ъ ъ Ǫ ǫ /ɔ/ [ɔ~ɞ] [ɔ~ɞ~∅]
Ь ь Y y /ʲ/ [ʲ] [ʲ]
Э э Ę ę /ɛ/ [ɛ~ɜ] [ɛ~ɜ~∅]

Allophony

  • /i/ is often close to [ɨ] word initially, and always such after palatal consonants (as in "žima" - /ʒi.mɑ/ [ʒɨ.mɐ])
  • /ɑ/ can be [ɐ] when following a cardinal vowel (/i, u, e, o/, /i/ includes [ɨ]), unless before a rhotic, where it is always [ä].
  • /i̯, u̯/ are closer to [ɪ̯, ʊ̯] in diphthongs, and /ɑ-/ is realized closer to [ä].
  • Word initial /e/ may be [je] in far north varieties, this is especially common among younger speakers.
  • /s̻/, when clustered with palatals (as in /sɲ/), becomes [ɕ].
  • Word finally, voiceless stops are aspirated.
  • /eR, ɛR/ and /ɔR, oR/, where /R/ is a coda rhotic, are always [ɛR] and [ɔR], /uR/ is variable, [uR] is most common in Northern varieties, though the far north uses [ʊR], and the south often uses [əR] or [uR], but /ur/ is often [r̩] in all varieties.
  • /xʋ/ is almost always realized as [ʋ̥].

For Coastal, disregard all vowel reduction, as Coastal fully lacks it.

Grammar

Morphology

Roughly speaking, Iberic is a fusional language with ergative/absolutive alignment, though the system is far more in depth than that.

Nouns

Nouns have six cases, those are: Ergative, Genitive, Dative, Absolutive, Instrumental, and Locative. Some elder speakers may retain a vocative, but it has often merged with the ergative form-wise.

As the ergative/absolutive alignment was a new innovation, the dictionary form is the ergative, not the absolutive.

Nouns have several patterns, they are:

Short o — From Proto-Slavic's O stems.
Short o, plain — From Proto-Slavic's Hard O stem.
Short o, palatal — From Proto-Slavic's soft O stem.
ę — From Proto-Slavic's Soft O stem
Long ę — Formed from a contraction, acts like an irregular form of the ę stem
ǫ — From Proto-Slavic's Hard O stem
a — From Proto-Slavic's A stems
i — From Proto-Slavic's I stems

(list not complete)

The following is a set of tables to display the noun inflections.

агн́эт (Short o, plain)
Singular Dual Plural
Ergative агн́эт агн́эда агн́эдэже
Genitive агн́эда агн́эбу агн́эт
Dative агн́эбу агн́эдъма агн́эдъм
Absolutive агн́эт агн́эда агн́эдо
Instrumental агн́эдъмь агн́эдъма агн́эдо
Locative агн́эдэж агн́эбу агн́эдэжэ
-тэшэ (ę)
Singular Dual Plural
Ergative -тэшэ -тэйа -чѐ
Genitive -тэйа -чеву -тэшэ
Dative -чеву -тэ̀ма -тэ̀м
Absolutive -тэшэ -тэйа -тѐйэ
Instrumental -тэ̀мь -тэ̀ма -чѐ
Locative -чѐ -чеву -чѐ
-э̀ (Long ę)
Singular Dual Plural
Ergative -э̀ -йѝ -эйа
Genitive -эйа -йиво -йе
Dative -йиво -э̀ма -э̀м
Absolutive -э̀ -йѝ -эйа
Instrumental -э̀мь -э̀ма -йѝ
Locative -йѝ -йиво -йѝ

Pronouns

The pronouns inflect for the same categories as nouns, with the addition of possessive forms distinct from the genitive.

Standard Iberic personal pronouns
Erg Abs Gen/Loc Dat Instr Poss
Singular 1st йа̀з мьэи мэинэ мэн́э мъневъ ме
2nd тоу чэи тэибэ тэбьэ тъбевъ пе
3rd M ън ънъмь ънъмо ън́емь ъне¹
F ъна ъмъ ънейа ън́э ъневъ
N* ънъ ънъмь ънъмо ън́емь
Dual 1st йэи на̀ нэво нама наш
2nd ва̀ вэво вама ваш
3rd M ъна ъневу ън́ема ън́е¹
F ън́э
N*
Plural 1st моу ноу нас нам намье наш
2nd воу вас вам вамье ваш
3rd M ън́е ъно ън́э ън́ем ън́емье ъме¹
F ъно
N* ъна
Reflexive шэи сэибэ сэбьэ събевъ фе
* The neuter is extremely rare outside formal speech, mostly only appearing in set phrases, in the North, the masc/fem distinction is animate/inanimate under Basque influence.
1: This is limited to casual speech, as it is a modern formation.
Coastal

A major feature of Coastal Iberic is the development of enclitic pronouns, the enclitics decline as well, for fewer categories though, and some are used differently.

  • Absolutive: The usage of this is the same as usual, except it has suffixed to the verb.
  • Genitive/Locative: This is used differently than usual, meaning "from" or "at", largely determined by context, and is affixed to nouns, thus "шеврмен" (śevrmen) is "I (am) from/at (the) north".
  • Dative: This retains its usual meaning.
  • Instrumental: This is usually used as a marker of who used the instrument, when saying someone is the instrument, the independent pronoun is used.
  • Possessive: These work like the possessed forms in languages like Finnish.

Proclitic ergative pronouns do exist, but are rarer, they're mostly used to distinguish verb firms that are identical or highly similar.

The reason the clitic pronouns developed is unknown, though they're thought to come from, at least in part, the reduction and eventual affixation of the independent pronouns
This theory is rejected by some linguists, with alternate theories including some kind of outside influence, but this is extremely unlikely, as Iberic has had no known contact with a language that uses enclitic pronouns.

(table will be made later)

Adjectives

Verbs

Syntax