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LCC11 Relay

2025-02-21T14:51:04Z

Saizai: added presentation info

The '''[https://conlang.org/language-creation-conference/lcc11/lcc11-relay/ LCC11 Relay]''' is the [[conlang relay]] for the [https://conlang.org/language-creation-conference/lcc11/ eleventh Language Creation Conference].

The relay master is Joey Windsor. The rings and ring masters are:
* prose (Daniel Swanson)
: A text rendered in a conlang with a searchable Romanized font. Participants in this ring will translate the text and render a (roughly) equivalent text in their own conlang.
* poetry (Joey Windsor)
: A text rendered in a conlang with a searchable Romanized font, organized with conculture-specific poetic conventions. Participants in this ring will translate the text and render a (roughly) equivalent text in their own conlang, which will conform to the poetic conventions of their own conculture.
* conscript (Sai & Alex Fink)
: A text rendered in a non-standard (potentially non-searchable) orthography. Participants in this ring will translate the text and render a (roughly) equivalent text in their own conlang using their unique conscript.

It also has two new rules:
* Your translation must make sense within the conculture the torch is rendered in. Animals or objects can be anthropomorphized with the ability to speak, and the text can use fantasy elements. However, both every sentence and the text as a whole must be interpretable, not a gibberish mesh of words or sentences that don’t make sense together. If your interpretation of the torch you received doesn’t make sense as something an adult (in your conworld, if you have one) would say, change the meaning so that it does, rather than making an overly precise translation.
* You should (and are encouraged to) alter the text to make sense within your conculture. For example, if the text makes reference to faster-than-light travel but your conculture is set in medieval times, this may be altered to “outrunning the fastest horse ever seen”. If your conculture is completely aquatic, maybe horses don’t exist and you need to change ‘horse’ to ‘shark’. If the torch refers to a specific deity, use an equivalent deity in your conworld; if your conworld doesn’t have deities, perhaps a hero from your conworld’s legends. If the text uses social structures that your conworld doesn’t, change them to fit. Etc. Use whatever makes sense within your conculture.

Due to size, it will be presented differently than in previous LCCs:
* Relay participants will contribute about 2 minutes of prerecorded audio/video per ring-step they made, to be compiled into a single video to be made public following the short, live relay presentation.
* The relay masters will curate a highlight presentation for a 30-minute slot to be presented live at the LCC, but they will have to exercise editorial discretion about what to include. Relay participants are welcomed to suggest things to be included in this, e.g. to highlight for ring masters' attention, but the final decision goes to the relay masters.

{{relay|relay=LCC11 Relay|prev=LCC10 Relay}}

2006-08-29T01:17:22Z

Saizai: /* Where to get Conlang-L */

Talk:Conlang-L FAQ

2006-08-09T21:46:45Z

Saizai:

Well done, Henrik.
Thank you.
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Could you add a link to CXS aka CONLANG X-SAMPA?
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Thanks again.
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eldin

Whee, wikis. Time for me to go to bed, I think I've added enough for one night. :-) --[[User:Saizai|Sai]] 01:20, 19 July 2006 (PDT)

Needed revisions:
* history of the list
* resources - edit the dumb description (mine :P) --[[User:Saizai|Sai]] 14:46, 9 August 2006 (PDT)

Talk:Conlang-L FAQ

2006-08-09T21:46:34Z

Saizai:

Talk:Conlang-L FAQ

2006-08-09T21:46:09Z

Saizai:

Conlang-L FAQ

2006-08-08T18:48:38Z

Saizai: /* Resources */

==A brief history of the list==

[One of you who've been around longer please fill this out --[[User:Saizai|Sai]] 01:09, 19 July 2006 (PDT)]

==Subject Topic Tags==
In the subject line of a post, you can mark the post with one of the following tags. Tags are only recognised if a colon follows and not other decoration (e.g. brackets) are used. Any 'Re:' etc. is irrelevant -- the software skips it.

Good tag syntax:

CHAT: Is the world really round?

Bad tag syntax:

[CHAT]: Is the world really round?

These are the official tags the listserv software can be instructed to
filter automatically. There are currently exactly three:
* CHAT: off-topic stuff of the conversational sort
* USAGE: natural language usage (all of the YAEPT and similar should use this)
* THEORY: linguistic theory discussions
Only the above three tags are official and configured for filtering. However, most advanced mail clients can be set to have extra filters, such as for the following unofficial tags:

* OT: should not be used, use CHAT instead as some software had problems with 'OT'
* OFFLIST: not actually seen on-list, this tag is added to make explicitly clear that you are taking a subject offlist (i.e. you're emailing someone directly about it)

The following are explicitly not included in the list of filterable tags:
* META: threads about CONLANG-L itself
* TECH: technical issues (e.g. email programs, list-related technical problems, etc)

Finally, there are two meta-tags:
* [CONLANG]: This should not be actually added when starting a new subject; you can make the listserv prepend it automatically to all email (so that you can set your mail client to filter all list traffic)
* WAS: used to change the subject, or more commonly, to indicate that the subject of a thread changed a while ago and you're no longer pretending it's about the original topic

Example:

JAMA says flat earth leads to flat [@] (WAS: CHAT: Is the world really round?)

Note that tags ARE included after the WAS, but RE: is NOT, nor is [CONLANG].

==Acronyms==
List of acronyms specific to the Conlang Mailing List:

* AFMCL - "As for my conlang.."
* ANADEW - "A natlang's already dunnit, except worse"
* ANADEWism - Something you thought was unique, but ANADEW
* LCC - the [http://conlangs.berkeley.edu Language Creation Conference]
* NLF2DWS or NLWS - Non-linear [fully 2-dimensional] writing system
* YAEPT (the original acronym) - Yet Another English Pronunciation Thrread
* YADPT ... Dutch Pronunciation ...
* YAGPT ... German Pronunciation ...
* YAEGT ... English Grammar ...
* general pattern: YA(Language)(Topic)T

==Other conlang-specific vocabulary==

From [http://cassowary.free.fr/Linguistics/Conlang%20Dictionary/ here] and [http://arthaey.mine.nu/~arthaey/conlang/faq.html here]:

__lang
* a language characterised by ___ (generally a contraction)

artlang
# A language constructed for the beauty or fun of doing so. [From art(istic) + lang(uage)]
# (See conlang) [From art(ificial) + lang(uage)]

auxlang
* A language constructed to replace or complement natlangs to facilitate cross-linguistic communication. [From aux(iliary) + lang(uagae]

conlang [From con(structed) + lang(uage)]
# n. A constructed language
# v. To construct a language

CONLANG (all caps), conlang-l, Conlang-L, or CONLANG-L
* A very active conlang mailing list hosted by brown.edu, and currently operated by Henrik Theiling

engelang /endZlæŋ/
* A conlang that is designed to certain criteria, such that it is objectively testable whether the criteria are met or not. This is different from claiming that the criteria themselves are 'objective'. For example, the Lojban/Loglan roots are designed to be maximally recognisable to the speakers of the (numerically) largest languages in the world in proportion to the number of speakers. It is not a matter of taste whether this criterion is met; it is something that can be tested. (by John Cowan) [From eng(ineered) + lang(uage)]

etabnannery /ra:mnænəɹi/
* The state of appearing entirely unpredictable, but, upon closer analysis, failing at even being that. [From Etá̄bnann(i), a conlang by Tristan McLeay, which was supposed to have an unpredictable orthography, but ended up just having a confusing one. Damn people trying to make patterns everywhere. At least it's a bugger to typeset!... errm... back to the derivation + -ery]

maggelity /mə"gɛ:lIti/ [From Maggel, a conlang by Christophe Grandsire which has a rarely predictable orthography]
# The state of being entirely unpredictable. (Tristan McLeay)
# The state of being regularly unpredictable, such as to horribly confuse anyone unfamiliar with the language, lulling them into a full sense of security before pointing out, cartoon-character-style, that the ground no longer exists where they're standing. (Tristan McLeay and H. S. Teoh)

Maggel's Paradox
* Your radical ideas have already occurred to others. (Muke Tever)

ObConlang
* Just before something about conlanging in an otherwise off-topic post

translation relay
* A game similar to Telephone, wherein the participants translate a passage one at a time, in serial, into their own languages - and then marvel at how far from the original the translations have gotten.

==CXS (Conlang X-SAMPA)==
A version of X-SAMPA for use on the CONLANG mailing list. X-SAMPA is a way to write the IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) using normal plain-ASCII text that everyone can read.

* [http://www.theiling.de/ipa/ Theiling Online: Conlang X-Sampa (CXS)] - includes CXS-to-IPA conversion chart
* [http://ca.geocities.com/vixcafe/jasminese/cxs.html CXS (Conlang Modified X-SAMPA)]

==Resources==

* [http://arthaey.mine.nu/~arthaey/conlang/faq.html Arthaey's Conlang FAQ]
* [http://www.langmaker.com LangMaker] - repository of many conlang "biographies" [<-- edit me to say something smarter]
* [http://wiki.frath.net Frath Wiki] - a similar site, and host of the Conlang-L (wikified) FAQ
* [http://www.omniglot.com Omniglot] - which has information on more writing systems than you thought could exist

2006-07-19T07:08:19Z

2006-07-18T23:10:27Z

Saizai: /* Acronyms */ CONLANG (sorta)

==Subject Topic Tags==
* CHAT: off-topic stuff of the conversational sort
* USAGE: natural language usage (all of the YAEPT and similar should use this)
* THEORY: linguistic theory discussions
* OT: off-topic stuff of any sort
* OFFLIST: not actually seen on-list, this tag is added to make explicitly clear that you are taking a subject offlist (i.e. you're emailing someone directly about it)
* META: threads about CONLANG-L itself
* TECH: technical issues (e.g. email programs, list-related technical problems, etc)

==Acronyms==
List of acronyms specific to the Conlang Mailing List:

* ANADEW - "A natlang's already dunnit, except worse"
* ANADEWISM - Something you thought was unique, but is really an ANADEW
* YAEPT (the original acronym) - Yet Another English Pronounciation Thrread
* YADPT
* YAGPT
* YAEGT - Yet Another English Grammar Thread
* general pattern: YA(Language)(Topic)T
* LCC - the [http://conlangs.berkeley.edu Language Creation Conference]
* NLF2DWS or NLWS - Non-linear [fully 2-dimensional] writing system
* CONLANG - Not actually an acronym, CONLANG in all caps refers to the conlang mailing list hosted by Brown University. AKA conlang-l, Conlang-L, CONLANG-L, or just CONLANG

Conlang-L FAQ

2006-07-18T22:28:39Z

Saizai: /* Acronyms */ Added NLF2DWS / NLWS

Conlang-L FAQ

2006-07-18T22:26:48Z

Saizai: /* Acronyms */ Added LCC

Conlang-L FAQ

2006-07-18T22:25:05Z

Saizai: /* Subject Topic Tags */

Conlang-L FAQ

2006-07-18T22:23:33Z

Saizai: /* Subject Topic Tags */ added OT, OFF