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LoCoWriMo/July 2011

2011-07-17T11:16:36Z

Lamesu: Removed myself from the list.

{|

|- valign=top
! Participant
! Conlang
! Word Count
! Writing Tools
! Synopsis

|- valign=top
| Arthaey Angosii
| [http://www.arthaey.com/conlang/lhenazi/ Lhenazi]
| 44 entries
| my beta conlang app
| 44 mini short story, one for each character of the [http://www.arthaey.com/conlang/lhenazi/writing/script.html syllabary]

|- valign=top
| Julia Simon
| [http://schnecki.kapsi.fi/faq/freak.html#conlang Imash] (time permitting: Imash+Makisi-Makola)
| Up to 1000 or even more. Difficult to predict in a heavily agglutinative language.
| VIM/LaTeX
| Imash mythology: "The Secret of the Grass Flowers" (time permitting: with a commentary from a MM anthropologist's Imash field notes)

|- valign=top
| Aaron Wood
| [[Sandic]]
| Whatever happens
| Google Docs, pen and paper
| The story of a very eventful trip to the zoo.

|- valign=top
| D.B. "Fictions"
| [http://fictinwords.wordpress.com/ Fictin]
| Whatever I can manage
| Google Docs/Pen and Paper
| Some kind of report on an aspect of the conculture associated with the language or a bit of mythology, whatever I feel like at the time.

|- valign=top
| Zach W.
| [http://conlangers.freeforums.org/l-aa-siri-f65.html Ḷaá Siri]
| I'll shoot for 750.
| MS Word
| I think a detailed creation story as it would be told by a speaker would be fun.

|- valign=top
| shirkamisamyogai
| [http://conlang2.arthaey.com/languages/konalkepota Konalkepota]
| I have no earthly idea.
| skmsyg.proboards, conlang2.arthaey.com, notepad, pen/paper, Awkwords Word Gen, OpenOffice Spreadsheet and Text Doc
| I will most likely write a short story, or a scene--perhaps a creation story. We'll see.

|- valign=top
| Eliza B.
| [http://fyeahconlangs.tumblr.com/tagged/Rtakai Rtakai]
| 500 (tentatively)
| Paper and Word
| A Ngatai woman talks and shares cultural stories with a fellow traveller.



|}

LoCoWriMo/July 2011

2011-07-03T18:47:40Z

Lamesu: Changed my topic on the Illukan entry.

{|

|- valign=top
! Participant
! Conlang
! Word Count
! Writing Tools
! Synopsis

|- valign=top
| Arthaey Angosii
| [http://www.arthaey.com/conlang/lhenazi/ Lhenazi]
| 44 entries
| my beta conlang app
| 44 mini short story, one for each character of the [http://www.arthaey.com/conlang/lhenazi/writing/script.html syllabary]

|- valign=top
| Julia Simon
| [http://schnecki.kapsi.fi/faq/freak.html#conlang Imash] (time permitting: Imash+Makisi-Makola)
| Up to 1000 or even more. Difficult to predict in a heavily agglutinative language.
| VIM/LaTeX
| Imash mythology: "The Secret of the Grass Flowers" (time permitting: with a commentary from a MM anthropologist's Imash field notes)

|- valign=top
| Irina Rempt
| [http://www.valdyas.org/irina/valdyas/ilaini/ Ilaini]
| can't predict
| Kate, [http://awkwords.wsr3.net/ Awkwords word generator]
| about 15 pages (2-3 paragraphs each) from a bestiary

|- valign=top
| Aaron Wood
| [[Sandic]]
| Whatever happens
| Google Docs, pen and paper
| A short story

|- valign=top
| Samuel T. "Lamesu" Weston
| [[Malakana|Illukan]]
| Dunno. Between 1000 (almost 10x my number of full-word-list entries) to 2000 (20x).
| Word processor and Dropbox.
| A compendium of various Hanaki science practices and magic, as analyzed by Illuthai scholars.

|- valign=top
| D.B. "Fictions"
| [http://fictinwords.wordpress.com/ Fictin]
| Whatever I can manage
| Google Docs/Pen and Paper
| Some kind of report on an aspect of the conculture associated with the language or a bit of mythology, whatever I feel like at the time.

|- valign=top
| Zach W.
| [http://conlangers.freeforums.org/l-aa-siri-f65.html Ḷaá Siri]
| I'll shoot for 750.
| MS Word
| I think a detailed creation story as it would be told by a speaker would be fun.

|- valign=top
| shirkamisamyogai
| [http://conlang2.arthaey.com/languages/konalkepota Konalkepota]
| I have no earthly idea.
| skmsyg.proboards, conlang2.arthaey.com, notepad, pen/paper, Awkwords Word Gen, OpenOffice Spreadsheet and Text Doc
| I will most likely write a short story, or a scene--perhaps a creation story. We'll see.

|- valign=top
| Hiku-me
| [[Etaŕo]]
| Novella-length
| Evernote
| BATTLE OF GOOD vs EVIL... or something of the sort



|}

Naeso/Orthography

2011-06-26T13:40:40Z

Lamesu: /* Syllabary proposals */ Voted "yes" on all uncontested votes.

{{PD}}

This page is about the native script. For the ASCII romanization, see [[Naeso/Transliteration|Transliteration]].

==Naeso Syllabary==

Our native script is a syllabary, written from left to right. Each syllable has its own glyph.
An early vote determined that we would use MalfermitaKodo's draft.

* [http://666kb.com/i/bms9xk1jko2gip6mr.png Syllables starting with n]
* [http://666kb.com/i/bmsc5cl6zefu1my8j.png Syllables starting with v] - [http://666kb.com/i/bmscat8tl1ej78bmb.png vin]
* [http://666kb.com/i/bmsbakk23i1l39fwz.png Syllables starting with s]
* [http://666kb.com/i/bmsc5qa3u5hhc5fwz.png Syllables starting with f] - [http://666kb.com/i/bmsc7wvvafgwzfykz.png fin]
* [http://666kb.com/i/bmscyxlzrbf3rs53n.png Syllables starting with z]
* [http://666kb.com/i/bmsdvnfb354o8ko9f.png Syllables starting with a vowel]

==Syllabary proposals==
As the syllabary draft is largely incomplete, there are many 'letters' lacking from our list. Below are proposals for the missing 'letter' bases.

Note: all of the following proposals are BASES for the syllabary, and they lack their accompanying vowel-and-or consonant markers. Please keep this in mind when voting. WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET, but remember to think of the additions which will come afterward.

===Sound base 'b'===
[[File:B naeso.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the first base proposal for 'b'|Date=2011-6-20|BF|y|FH|n}}

* I think this would work better for p —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

[[File:B naeso 2.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the second base proposal for 'b'|Date=2011-6-21|BF|y|FH|y|LS|y}}

===Sound base 'd'===
[[File:D naeso.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the base for 'd'|Date=2011-6-20|BF|y|FH|y|LS|y}}

===Sound base 'g'===
[[File:G naeso.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the base for 'g'|Date=2011-6-20|BF|y|FH|y|LS|y}}

===Sound base 'j'===
[[File:J naeso.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the base for 'j'|Date=2011-6-20|BF|y|FH|y|LS|y}}

===Sound base 'k'===
[[File:K naeso.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the base for 'k'|Date=2011-6-20|BF|y|FH|y|LS|y}}

===Sound base 'l'===
[[File:L naeso.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the first base proposal for 'l'|Date=2011-6-20|BF|y|FH|n}}

* Multiple lines don't work too well with codas —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

[[File:La.png]]
{{V|Accept the second base proposal for 'l'|date=2011-6-21|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===Sound base 'm'===
[[File:M naeso.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the base for 'm'|Date=2011-6-20|BF|y|FH|y|LS|y}}

===Sound base 'NH'===
[[File:Nh naeso.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the base for 'nh'|Date=2011-6-20|BF|y|FH|y|LS|y}}

===Sound base 'p'===
[[File:P naeso.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the base for 'p'|Date=2011-6-20|BF|y|FH|n}}

* I think this would work better for b —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

[[File:P naeso 2.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the second base proposal for 'p'|Date=2011-6-21|BF|y|FH|y|LS|y}}

===Sound base 't'===
[[File:T naeso.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the base for 't'|Date=2011-6-20|BF|y|FH|y|LS|y}}

===Sound base 'TH'===
[[File:Th naeso.PNG]]
{{V|Accept the first base proposal for 'th'|Date=2011-6-20|BF|y|FH|n}}

* Multiple lines don't work too well with codas —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

[[File:Tha.png]]
{{V|Accept the second base proposal for 'th'|date=2011-6-20|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

{{Naeso}} [[Category:Conscripts]]

LoCoWriMo/July 2011

2011-06-23T13:13:50Z

Lamesu: CHanged my entry's description.

{|

|- valign=top
! Participant
! Conlang
! Word Count
! Writing Tools
! width=50% | Synopsis

|- valign=top
| Arthaey Angosii
| [http://www.arthaey.com/conlang/lhenazi/ Lhenazi]
| 1000
| Google Docs
| something epistolary

|- valign=top
| Julia Simon
| [http://schnecki.kapsi.fi/faq/freak.html#conlang Imash] (time permitting: Imash+Makisi-Makola)
| Up to 1000 or even more. Difficult to predict in a heavily agglutinative language.
| VIM/LaTeX
| Imash mythology: "The Secret of the Grass Flowers" (time permitting: with a commentary from a MM anthropologist's Imash field notes)

|- valign=top
| Irina Rempt
| [http://www.valdyas.org/irina/valdyas/ilaini/ Ilaini]
| can't predict
| Kate
| about 15 pages (2-3 paragraphs each) from a bestiary

|- valign=top
| Aaron Wood
| [[Sandic]]
| Whatever happens
| Google Docs, pen and paper
| A short story

|- valign=top
| Samuel T. "Lamesu" Weston
| [[Malakana|Illukan]]
| Dunno. Between 1000 (almost 10x my number of full-word-list entries) to 2000 (20x).
| Word processor and Dropbox.
| A story on Illuthai religion.

|- valign=top
| D.B. "Fictions"
| [http://fictinwords.wordpress.com/ Fictin]
| Whatever I can manage
| Google Docs/Pen and Paper
| Some kind of report on an aspect of the conculture associated with the language or a bit of mythology, whatever I feel like at the time.



|}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-19T22:34:39Z

Lamesu: /* very */ Voted "yes"

LoCoWriMo/July 2011

2011-06-19T17:27:05Z

Lamesu: Added my name.

{|

|- valign=top
! Participant
! Conlang
! Word Count
! Writing Tools
! width=50% | Synopsis

|- valign=top
| Arthaey Angosii
| [http://www.arthaey.com/conlang/lhenazi/ Lhenazi]
| 1000
| Google Docs
| something epistolary

|- valign=top
| Julia Simon
| [http://schnecki.kapsi.fi/faq/freak.html#conlang Imash] (time permitting: Imash+Makisi-Makola)
| Up to 1000 or even more. Difficult to predict in a heavily agglutinative language.
| VIM/LaTeX
| Imash mythology: "The Secret of the Grass Flowers" (time permitting: with a commentary from a MM anthropologist's Imash field notes)

|- valign=top
| Irina Rempt
| [http://www.valdyas.org/irina/valdyas/ilaini/ Ilaini]
| can't predict
| Kate
| about 15 pages (2-3 paragraphs each) from a bestiary

|- valign=top
| Aaron Wood
| [[Sandic]]
| Whatever happens
| Google Docs, pen and paper
| A short story

|- valign=top
| Sam "Lamesu" Weston
| [[Malakana|Illukan]]
| Dunno. Between 1000 (almost 10x my number of full-word-list entries) to 2000 (20x).
| Google Docs
| Not sure yet. Will update as soon as I figure it out.



|}

Naeso/Grammar

2011-06-08T21:06:25Z

Lamesu: /* Nonhuman pronouns */ Voted In on "Use a single pronoun"

{{PD}}

This page describes the '''grammar of [[Naeso]]'''.

As with [[:Category:Voting|all other pages with votes on them]], please keep checking back often! Your vote counts!

==Basics==

*Naeso is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusional_language fusional].
*Naeso uses [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verb_Subject_Object VSO] word order.
*Word types:
**'''Nouns:''' Naeso has nouns.
*** ''Verbal nouns'': Naeso has verbal nouns.
**'''Verbs:''' Naeso has verbs, including ''sou'' "to be" .
***However, Naeso does not have the verb "to have". "To own", "to carry", "to possess", "to keep", etc, and also an existential structure can replace it.
**'''Adjectives:''' Naeso has adjectives.
**'''Adverbs''': Adjectives/adverbs are a single class of modifiers.
***I think that we should consider making adverbs a different class from adjectives, created by inflecting adjectives, to resolve the ambiguity with multiple descriptors discussed below. We could maybe even make things that describe adverbs another class, created by using the same inflection on adverbs. —MJ

==Nouns==

Nouns in Naeso are most commonly found as part of a prepositional phrase. They inflect for the genitive and various plural forms. The following table uses the words ''anka'' "duck" and ''ian'' "cat" as examples:

{|
|-
!
! nominative
! genitive
|-
! singular
| anka / ian
| anka'''bi''' / ian'''bi'''
|-
! additive plural
| anka'''n''' / ian'''un'''
| anka'''bin''' / ian'''bin'''
|-
! associative plural
| anka'''dun''' / ian'''dun'''
| anka'''bin''' / ian'''bin'''
|-
! collective plural
| anka'''ti''' / ian'''ti'''
| anka'''bin''' / ian'''bin'''
|}

==Verbs==

*Verbs do not conjugate according to subject or object.
*Verbs inflect for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_mood Mood]/[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_modality modality] and [http://www.rickharrison.com/language/aspect.html Aspect].
*Verbs do not inflect for tense (we have the temporal preposition ''fui'' for that), [http://archives.conlang.info/pe/zholbhi/qheldorfuen.html validationality], or plural.

===What moods are marked by inflection?===
* Interrogative.
* Imperative/hortative/jussive, for first, second, and third person.
* Abilitative, i.e. equivalent of English "can/may" auxiliary verbs.
* Desiderative, i.e. equivalent of English "want/wish" auxiliary verbs.

==Modifiers==

This section is about adjectives and adverbs, which are a single class of modifiers.

When you want to apply multiple modifiers to the same noun, just string them together after the noun: noun mod1 mod2 mod3...

{{V|Use a comma when ambiguity seems likely, i.e. when it might be uncertain whether mod2 modifies mod1 or the noun|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}

===Comparison===

How will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree_of_comparison comparison] and similar things be formed? E.g. "more", "most", "less", "least", "very".

{{V|Use a suffix on the modifier|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|Use a particle|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|n}}
{{V|True comparisons have the modifier (with the comparison suffix or particle), followed by a "than" particle and the element to compare to|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For example, "better than the book" would be ''good-more than book'' if a suffix on the modifier is used. There could also be a second "than" particle for constructs like "this tastes better than it looks": '''''taste''' '''good'''-'''more''' '''than''' '''look''' bu ke, bu ua''.
{{V|Use a term like 'exceed'|date=2011-05-11|RJ|y|FH|n|BF|n}}

* I do not see how this could work with Naeso's existing syntax. Could you maybe provide an example? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Pronouns==

This is the complete table of personal pronouns in Naeso.

{|
|-
| I
| si
|-
| you (singular, someone who recently joined the IRC channel)
| pae
|-
| you (singular, someone who's been part of the conversation for a while)
| tha
|-
| you (sing.)
| y
|-
| he
| the
|-
| she
| je
|-
| it
| ke
|-
| 3SG current IRC participant
| ipu
|-
| 3SG sometime IRC participant not online at the moment
| yl
|-
| 3SG someone who's never on IRC
| tyma
|-
| third-person singular undefined for gender or IRC status, 'one'
| ze
|-
| we (inclusive)
| lynh
|-
| we (exclusive)
| sim
|-
| you (pl.)
| ym
|-
| they
| bel
|}

Naeso also has other pronouns including:

*'''ua''' and '''inna''' — ''this'' and ''that''
*'''poynh''' — the interrogative pronoun
*'''soa''' — the pronoun for the last (most recent) line of chat posted by the speaker
*'''ky''' — the pronoun for the last (most recent) line of chat in general

===Gendered singular pronouns===

Naeso has optional gender-marking in its third-person singular pronouns. The pronoun "ze" can be used for a specific person whose gender is unknown or which the speaker doesn't wish to specify (the equivalent of Esperanto "ri"), ''or'' for a nonspecific person (the equivalent of French "on", Esperanto "oni", formal English "one").

===IRC-oriented singular pronouns===

Naeso has distinctions in its second-person pronouns depending on whether the addresse is a regular on IRC or is only occasionally on the current channel.

Naeso has optional distinctions in its third-person pronouns depending on whether the mentioned person is a participant in the current chat, someone on IRC at times but offline (or possibly away) at the moment, or someone who's never on IRC. The pronoun "ze" can be used for a specific person whose IRC status is unknown or which the speaker doesn't wish to specify, as well as for a nonspecific person.

How, if at all, those will be used outside of IRC, will be determined by actual usage.

===Plural pronouns===

It's not yet decided what categories, if any, are marked on second and third-person plural pronouns.

{{V|Do not mark anything|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}

===Nonhuman pronouns===

It's not yet decided what whether Naeso has a single third-person pronoun for all nonhumans, or perhaps one for animals and one for everything else, or one for domestic animals & human artifacts and another for everything else, or...

{{V|Use a single pronoun|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|RJ|y|BF|y|result=y}}

Looks like we'll have to change this explanation text. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

==Prepositions==

It's been decided that Naeso has prepositions, and that it will use prepositions for marking [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thematic_relation cases/thematic roles]. A fair number of prepositions have been voted in on the [[Naeso/Dictionary|Dictionary]] pages and others are currently being voted on.

The most animate or topical preposition (i.e., roughly the "subject") in a given sentence will inflect for definiteness (i.e., equivalent of "the/a" in English). Typically this will be "ku", "jen", or "bu" (see the Dictionary page).

Other prepositions can be marked for definiteness for clearing up ambiguity or artistic reasons.

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Names

2011-06-08T21:01:23Z

Lamesu: /* bornfor */

{{PD}}Here's a list of names: personal names, family names, names of cities, seas, languages, etc. You get it.

__NOTOC__
This page has a [[#Defined|defined]] section and a [[#Voting|voting]] section. If you cast the final vote on a name, please move it up to the defined section. If you vote against a suggestion, please provide another one.

==Capitalization==

''This vote has been moved to [[Naeso/Transliteration|Transliteration]].''

==Quoting or marking of names==
{{V|All names get quoted or marked in some way, e.g. a special preposition|date=2011-5-16|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y|result=n}}
{{V|No names get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n|result=n}}
{{V|Names that look sort of like native Naeso words get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BL|y|FH|n|BF|y|result=y}}
{{V|Names that violate Naeso phonotactics or orthography get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|n|FH|n|BF|y|result=n}}

==Defined==

*Babel: '''Babel'''
*Blisk: '''Bilisuku'''
*BlueRider: '''Gelaida'''
*Chomsky: '''Tsomseki'''
*English: '''Inhlisi'''
*Europe: '''Eupa'''
*Fenhl: '''Fenuel'''
*Germany: '''Alemanni'''
*Greenberg: '''Pembegu'''
*Grimm: '''Gelim'''
*jim_henry: '''Jaeku'''
*MalfermitaKodo: '''Nhukodo'''
*Micah: '''Mika'''
*Paris: '''Lutetsia'''
*Sapir: '''Saepi'''
*Whorf: '''Uofa'''

==Voting==

===James, Jim, Jacques, Diego, Iago,…===
*other than jim_henry
{{V|Iakobo|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|n|result=n}}
{{V|Iako|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y|result=y}}

===Hildegard===
{{V|Ildegal|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y|result=y}}

===Zamenhof===
{{V|Zameno|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y|result=y}}

===Tolkien===
{{V|Tolkin|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y|result=y}}

===bornfor===
{{V|Banfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|n|JH|y|result=n}}
{{V|Balanfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y|result=y}}

===Bingen===
{{V|Binhgium|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
*According to the German Wikipedia, the name derives from ''Bingium''.

===USA===
{{V|Usa|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
{{V|Usania|date=2011-6-3|LS|y|FH|y}}
*I like Benjamin Franklin's idea of "Usania" (/,ju"zajn"i,a/), back when the US's Founding Fathers were working on a shorthand for "The United States of America." It looks like an actual country's name, rather than an acronym.
**Please note that this would be pronounced differently than the other IPA; instead, it would be /,u"sa"ni,a/, if that makes sense. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**I just realized a difference that I should note, in the pronunciation of "Usania:" it would have to be /,u,sa,ni"a/. Sorry about that. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===Groningen===
*Where [http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/ LCC4] took place.
{{V|Goninh|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Names

2011-06-08T21:00:54Z

Lamesu: /* Tolkien */

{{PD}}Here's a list of names: personal names, family names, names of cities, seas, languages, etc. You get it.

__NOTOC__
This page has a [[#Defined|defined]] section and a [[#Voting|voting]] section. If you cast the final vote on a name, please move it up to the defined section. If you vote against a suggestion, please provide another one.

==Capitalization==

''This vote has been moved to [[Naeso/Transliteration|Transliteration]].''

==Quoting or marking of names==
{{V|All names get quoted or marked in some way, e.g. a special preposition|date=2011-5-16|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y|result=n}}
{{V|No names get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n|result=n}}
{{V|Names that look sort of like native Naeso words get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BL|y|FH|n|BF|y|result=y}}
{{V|Names that violate Naeso phonotactics or orthography get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|n|FH|n|BF|y|result=n}}

==Defined==

*Babel: '''Babel'''
*Blisk: '''Bilisuku'''
*BlueRider: '''Gelaida'''
*Chomsky: '''Tsomseki'''
*English: '''Inhlisi'''
*Europe: '''Eupa'''
*Fenhl: '''Fenuel'''
*Germany: '''Alemanni'''
*Greenberg: '''Pembegu'''
*Grimm: '''Gelim'''
*jim_henry: '''Jaeku'''
*MalfermitaKodo: '''Nhukodo'''
*Micah: '''Mika'''
*Paris: '''Lutetsia'''
*Sapir: '''Saepi'''
*Whorf: '''Uofa'''

==Voting==

===James, Jim, Jacques, Diego, Iago,…===
*other than jim_henry
{{V|Iakobo|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|n|result=n}}
{{V|Iako|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y|result=y}}

===Hildegard===
{{V|Ildegal|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y|result=y}}

===Zamenhof===
{{V|Zameno|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y|result=y}}

===Tolkien===
{{V|Tolkin|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y|result=y}}

===bornfor===
{{V|Banfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|n|JH|y}}
{{V|Balanfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y}}

===Bingen===
{{V|Binhgium|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
*According to the German Wikipedia, the name derives from ''Bingium''.

===USA===
{{V|Usa|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
{{V|Usania|date=2011-6-3|LS|y|FH|y}}
*I like Benjamin Franklin's idea of "Usania" (/,ju"zajn"i,a/), back when the US's Founding Fathers were working on a shorthand for "The United States of America." It looks like an actual country's name, rather than an acronym.
**Please note that this would be pronounced differently than the other IPA; instead, it would be /,u"sa"ni,a/, if that makes sense. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**I just realized a difference that I should note, in the pronunciation of "Usania:" it would have to be /,u,sa,ni"a/. Sorry about that. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===Groningen===
*Where [http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/ LCC4] took place.
{{V|Goninh|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Names

2011-06-08T21:00:34Z

Lamesu: /* Zamenhof */

{{PD}}Here's a list of names: personal names, family names, names of cities, seas, languages, etc. You get it.

__NOTOC__
This page has a [[#Defined|defined]] section and a [[#Voting|voting]] section. If you cast the final vote on a name, please move it up to the defined section. If you vote against a suggestion, please provide another one.

==Capitalization==

''This vote has been moved to [[Naeso/Transliteration|Transliteration]].''

==Quoting or marking of names==
{{V|All names get quoted or marked in some way, e.g. a special preposition|date=2011-5-16|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y|result=n}}
{{V|No names get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n|result=n}}
{{V|Names that look sort of like native Naeso words get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BL|y|FH|n|BF|y|result=y}}
{{V|Names that violate Naeso phonotactics or orthography get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|n|FH|n|BF|y|result=n}}

==Defined==

*Babel: '''Babel'''
*Blisk: '''Bilisuku'''
*BlueRider: '''Gelaida'''
*Chomsky: '''Tsomseki'''
*English: '''Inhlisi'''
*Europe: '''Eupa'''
*Fenhl: '''Fenuel'''
*Germany: '''Alemanni'''
*Greenberg: '''Pembegu'''
*Grimm: '''Gelim'''
*jim_henry: '''Jaeku'''
*MalfermitaKodo: '''Nhukodo'''
*Micah: '''Mika'''
*Paris: '''Lutetsia'''
*Sapir: '''Saepi'''
*Whorf: '''Uofa'''

==Voting==

===James, Jim, Jacques, Diego, Iago,…===
*other than jim_henry
{{V|Iakobo|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|n|result=n}}
{{V|Iako|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y|result=y}}

===Hildegard===
{{V|Ildegal|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y|result=y}}

===Zamenhof===
{{V|Zameno|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y|result=y}}

===Tolkien===
{{V|Tolkin|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===bornfor===
{{V|Banfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|n|JH|y}}
{{V|Balanfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y}}

===Bingen===
{{V|Binhgium|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
*According to the German Wikipedia, the name derives from ''Bingium''.

===USA===
{{V|Usa|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
{{V|Usania|date=2011-6-3|LS|y|FH|y}}
*I like Benjamin Franklin's idea of "Usania" (/,ju"zajn"i,a/), back when the US's Founding Fathers were working on a shorthand for "The United States of America." It looks like an actual country's name, rather than an acronym.
**Please note that this would be pronounced differently than the other IPA; instead, it would be /,u"sa"ni,a/, if that makes sense. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**I just realized a difference that I should note, in the pronunciation of "Usania:" it would have to be /,u,sa,ni"a/. Sorry about that. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===Groningen===
*Where [http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/ LCC4] took place.
{{V|Goninh|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Names

2011-06-08T21:00:09Z

Lamesu: /* Hildegard */

{{PD}}Here's a list of names: personal names, family names, names of cities, seas, languages, etc. You get it.

__NOTOC__
This page has a [[#Defined|defined]] section and a [[#Voting|voting]] section. If you cast the final vote on a name, please move it up to the defined section. If you vote against a suggestion, please provide another one.

==Capitalization==

''This vote has been moved to [[Naeso/Transliteration|Transliteration]].''

==Quoting or marking of names==
{{V|All names get quoted or marked in some way, e.g. a special preposition|date=2011-5-16|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y|result=n}}
{{V|No names get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n|result=n}}
{{V|Names that look sort of like native Naeso words get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BL|y|FH|n|BF|y|result=y}}
{{V|Names that violate Naeso phonotactics or orthography get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|n|FH|n|BF|y|result=n}}

==Defined==

*Babel: '''Babel'''
*Blisk: '''Bilisuku'''
*BlueRider: '''Gelaida'''
*Chomsky: '''Tsomseki'''
*English: '''Inhlisi'''
*Europe: '''Eupa'''
*Fenhl: '''Fenuel'''
*Germany: '''Alemanni'''
*Greenberg: '''Pembegu'''
*Grimm: '''Gelim'''
*jim_henry: '''Jaeku'''
*MalfermitaKodo: '''Nhukodo'''
*Micah: '''Mika'''
*Paris: '''Lutetsia'''
*Sapir: '''Saepi'''
*Whorf: '''Uofa'''

==Voting==

===James, Jim, Jacques, Diego, Iago,…===
*other than jim_henry
{{V|Iakobo|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|n|result=n}}
{{V|Iako|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y|result=y}}

===Hildegard===
{{V|Ildegal|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y|result=y}}

===Zamenhof===
{{V|Zameno|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===Tolkien===
{{V|Tolkin|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===bornfor===
{{V|Banfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|n|JH|y}}
{{V|Balanfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y}}

===Bingen===
{{V|Binhgium|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
*According to the German Wikipedia, the name derives from ''Bingium''.

===USA===
{{V|Usa|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
{{V|Usania|date=2011-6-3|LS|y|FH|y}}
*I like Benjamin Franklin's idea of "Usania" (/,ju"zajn"i,a/), back when the US's Founding Fathers were working on a shorthand for "The United States of America." It looks like an actual country's name, rather than an acronym.
**Please note that this would be pronounced differently than the other IPA; instead, it would be /,u"sa"ni,a/, if that makes sense. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**I just realized a difference that I should note, in the pronunciation of "Usania:" it would have to be /,u,sa,ni"a/. Sorry about that. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===Groningen===
*Where [http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/ LCC4] took place.
{{V|Goninh|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Names

2011-06-08T20:59:26Z

Lamesu: /* James, Jim, Jacques, Diego, Iago,… */ "Iako" voted in.

{{PD}}Here's a list of names: personal names, family names, names of cities, seas, languages, etc. You get it.

__NOTOC__
This page has a [[#Defined|defined]] section and a [[#Voting|voting]] section. If you cast the final vote on a name, please move it up to the defined section. If you vote against a suggestion, please provide another one.

==Capitalization==

''This vote has been moved to [[Naeso/Transliteration|Transliteration]].''

==Quoting or marking of names==
{{V|All names get quoted or marked in some way, e.g. a special preposition|date=2011-5-16|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y|result=n}}
{{V|No names get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n|result=n}}
{{V|Names that look sort of like native Naeso words get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BL|y|FH|n|BF|y|result=y}}
{{V|Names that violate Naeso phonotactics or orthography get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|n|FH|n|BF|y|result=n}}

==Defined==

*Babel: '''Babel'''
*Blisk: '''Bilisuku'''
*BlueRider: '''Gelaida'''
*Chomsky: '''Tsomseki'''
*English: '''Inhlisi'''
*Europe: '''Eupa'''
*Fenhl: '''Fenuel'''
*Germany: '''Alemanni'''
*Greenberg: '''Pembegu'''
*Grimm: '''Gelim'''
*jim_henry: '''Jaeku'''
*MalfermitaKodo: '''Nhukodo'''
*Micah: '''Mika'''
*Paris: '''Lutetsia'''
*Sapir: '''Saepi'''
*Whorf: '''Uofa'''

==Voting==

===James, Jim, Jacques, Diego, Iago,…===
*other than jim_henry
{{V|Iakobo|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|n|result=n}}
{{V|Iako|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y|result=y}}

===Hildegard===
{{V|Ildegal|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===Zamenhof===
{{V|Zameno|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===Tolkien===
{{V|Tolkin|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===bornfor===
{{V|Banfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|n|JH|y}}
{{V|Balanfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y}}

===Bingen===
{{V|Binhgium|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
*According to the German Wikipedia, the name derives from ''Bingium''.

===USA===
{{V|Usa|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
{{V|Usania|date=2011-6-3|LS|y|FH|y}}
*I like Benjamin Franklin's idea of "Usania" (/,ju"zajn"i,a/), back when the US's Founding Fathers were working on a shorthand for "The United States of America." It looks like an actual country's name, rather than an acronym.
**Please note that this would be pronounced differently than the other IPA; instead, it would be /,u"sa"ni,a/, if that makes sense. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**I just realized a difference that I should note, in the pronunciation of "Usania:" it would have to be /,u,sa,ni"a/. Sorry about that. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===Groningen===
*Where [http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/ LCC4] took place.
{{V|Goninh|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Names

2011-06-08T20:58:43Z

Lamesu: /* Quoting or marking of names */ "Names that look sort of like native Naeso words get quoted or marked" voted in.

{{PD}}Here's a list of names: personal names, family names, names of cities, seas, languages, etc. You get it.

__NOTOC__
This page has a [[#Defined|defined]] section and a [[#Voting|voting]] section. If you cast the final vote on a name, please move it up to the defined section. If you vote against a suggestion, please provide another one.

==Capitalization==

''This vote has been moved to [[Naeso/Transliteration|Transliteration]].''

==Quoting or marking of names==
{{V|All names get quoted or marked in some way, e.g. a special preposition|date=2011-5-16|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y|result=n}}
{{V|No names get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n|result=n}}
{{V|Names that look sort of like native Naeso words get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BL|y|FH|n|BF|y|result=y}}
{{V|Names that violate Naeso phonotactics or orthography get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|n|FH|n|BF|y|result=n}}

==Defined==

*Babel: '''Babel'''
*Blisk: '''Bilisuku'''
*BlueRider: '''Gelaida'''
*Chomsky: '''Tsomseki'''
*English: '''Inhlisi'''
*Europe: '''Eupa'''
*Fenhl: '''Fenuel'''
*Germany: '''Alemanni'''
*Greenberg: '''Pembegu'''
*Grimm: '''Gelim'''
*jim_henry: '''Jaeku'''
*MalfermitaKodo: '''Nhukodo'''
*Micah: '''Mika'''
*Paris: '''Lutetsia'''
*Sapir: '''Saepi'''
*Whorf: '''Uofa'''

==Voting==

===James, Jim, Jacques, Diego, Iago,…===
*other than jim_henry
{{V|Iakobo|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|n}}
{{V|Iako|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y}}

===Hildegard===
{{V|Ildegal|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===Zamenhof===
{{V|Zameno|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===Tolkien===
{{V|Tolkin|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===bornfor===
{{V|Banfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|n|JH|y}}
{{V|Balanfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y}}

===Bingen===
{{V|Binhgium|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
*According to the German Wikipedia, the name derives from ''Bingium''.

===USA===
{{V|Usa|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
{{V|Usania|date=2011-6-3|LS|y|FH|y}}
*I like Benjamin Franklin's idea of "Usania" (/,ju"zajn"i,a/), back when the US's Founding Fathers were working on a shorthand for "The United States of America." It looks like an actual country's name, rather than an acronym.
**Please note that this would be pronounced differently than the other IPA; instead, it would be /,u"sa"ni,a/, if that makes sense. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**I just realized a difference that I should note, in the pronunciation of "Usania:" it would have to be /,u,sa,ni"a/. Sorry about that. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===Groningen===
*Where [http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/ LCC4] took place.
{{V|Goninh|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}

{{Naeso}}

Malakana

2011-06-06T21:10:04Z

Lamesu: /* Vowels */ changed slightly

'''Malakana''' is a language set in the world of '''Kor'''. The language was created by [[User:Lamesu|Samuel T. Weston]].

==Consonants==
All ''consonants'' are listed by their transliteration, followed by their IPA value:

< b, c, cc, d, f, g, h, j, jj, l, ll, m, n, p, r, rr, s, ss, t, v, vv, z, >

/ b, ʃ, tʃ, d, f, g, h, ʒ, dʒ, l, ʟ, m, n, p, ɹ, r, s, θ, t, v, ð, z /

==Vowels==
The basic, "pure" vowels are '''a, e, i, o,''' and '''u.'''

There are also "double-vowels," which correspond to the "short" form:

< aa, ee, ii, oo, uu >

< æ, ə, ɪ, ɔ, ʌ >

==External Links==
The [http://siderial.net/kor/languages/ Official (Basic) Language Page] on Siderial.net

[[Category:Conlangs]]

Naeso

2011-06-06T12:15:31Z

Lamesu: /* Inactive members */ Voted "yes" on 30 days, "no" on 60.

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This is the homepage of the language '''Naeso''', a collaborative project of [irc://chat.freenode.net/conlang #conlang] members. It was begun on 17 September, 2010. The separate channel [irc://chat.freenode.net/naeso #naeso] was created shortly after.

==Big issues of the now==

This is where we discuss and vote on the important stuff. Be sure to visit this frequently!

===Inactive members===

There's still some things that bug me about our voting system. My biggest concern is that we count the kind of people who go away and never come back, like those three people who are currently marked as away. This proposal should deal with that. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

If a member of the project does not place a vote for longer than X days, they are considered ''away'' and are not taken into account when calculating the number of people needed for a majority, until they come back.

{{V|X{{=}}60|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|n|DC|n|LS|n}}
{{V|X{{=}}30|date=2011-5-20|BF|y|FH|y|DC|y|LS|y}}

*Honestly, I'm concerned that 60 days is too long of a period of time. In two months' time, their absence could considerably stifle voting, and slow the language down. Given the rate at which this language seems to be growing, I feel that 30 days is more appropriate. —[[User:Bornfor|BF]]

===LCC4 relay ring B===

[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] has entered himself for ring B of the [[LCC4 relay]], with Naeso as the language. And he needs the help of the other project members. The work-in-progress can be found [[Naeso/Torch|here]].

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Names

2011-06-05T12:16:47Z

Lamesu: /* USA */ updated the pronunciation of "Usania".

{{PD}}Here's a list of names: personal names, family names, names of cities, seas, languages, etc. You get it.

__NOTOC__
This page has a [[#Defined|defined]] section and a [[#Voting|voting]] section. If you cast the final vote on a name, please move it up to the defined section. If you vote against a suggestion, please provide another one.

==Capitalization==

''This vote has been moved to [[Naeso/Transliteration|Transliteration]].''

==Quoting or marking of names==
{{V|All names get quoted or marked in some way, e.g. a special preposition|date=2011-5-16|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|No names get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}}
{{V|Names that look sort of like native Naeso words get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BL|y|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|Names that violate Naeso phonotactics or orthography get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|n|FH|n|BF|y}}

==Defined==

*Babel: '''Babel'''
*Blisk: '''Bilisuku'''
*BlueRider: '''Gelaida'''
*Chomsky: '''Tsomseki'''
*English: '''Inhlisi'''
*Europe: '''Eupa'''
*Fenhl: '''Fenuel'''
*Germany: '''Alemanni'''
*Greenberg: '''Pembegu'''
*Grimm: '''Gelim'''
*jim_henry: '''Jaeku'''
*MalfermitaKodo: '''Nhukodo'''
*Micah: '''Mika'''
*Paris: '''Lutetsia'''
*Sapir: '''Saepi'''
*Whorf: '''Uofa'''

==Voting==

===James, Jim, Jacques, Diego, Iago,…===
*other than jim_henry
{{V|Iakobo|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|n}}
{{V|Iako|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y}}

===Hildegard===
{{V|Ildegal|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===Zamenhof===
{{V|Zameno|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===Tolkien===
{{V|Tolkin|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===bornfor===
{{V|Banfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|n|JH|y}}
{{V|Balanfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y}}

===Bingen===
{{V|Binhgium|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
*According to the German Wikipedia, the name derives from ''Bingium''.

===USA===
{{V|Usa|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
{{V|Usania|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I like Benjamin Franklin's idea of "Usania" (/,ju"zajn"i,a/), back when the US's Founding Fathers were working on a shorthand for "The United States of America." It looks like an actual country's name, rather than an acronym.
**Please note that this would be pronounced differently than the other IPA; instead, it would be /,u"sa"ni,a/, if that makes sense. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**I just realized a difference that I should note, in the pronunciation of "Usania:" it would have to be /,u,sa,ni"a/. Sorry about that. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===Groningen===
*Where [http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/ LCC4] took place.
{{V|Goninh|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-05T12:10:37Z

Lamesu: /* to ask */

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===whether===
See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to ask|this vote]].

{{V|tum|date=2011-6-5|FH|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|DC|y}}

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y|BF|y|FH|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**Naeso has a fixed [[Naeso/Phonology|pronounciation]]: bvya would be pronounced {{IPA|/bvyˈa/}}. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**Mina simply indicates motion or travel. You can specify the starting and end points, speed, means of travel, traveller, and so on if you want, but you can also leave them out. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
***All right. So, we would need a verb form of "tsia," to use "to go," in that case; yes? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
*If you want to propose a compound, go ahead! —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to ask===

For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
{{V|bam|date=2011-6-3|LS|n|BF|y|FH|n}}

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. I'm adding that option right now. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**No, that's not what I meant. I meant that if we add a separate word (e.g. ''tum'') which means ''whether'', we could say ''nugo bam'' for ''to ask someone to do something'', or ''mugo tum'' for ''to ask someone, whether…'' —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
***Whoops. sorry about that. I'll change my vote on there to a "No." ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*Would this be the "head" of the household, or the "head" of the body? Or does usage define meaning? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**I think metaphorical meanings will mostly be assigned by usage. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*I like this. It could add new meaning to the "Knights Who Say Ni" scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y|LS|y|BF|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Additional meanings==

If there is a word which is already voted in, but you want to define another meaning for that word, create a vote here.

''currently empty''

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su
*nhanhnanh

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y|DC|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y|DC|y}}

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-05T12:00:42Z

Lamesu: /* to ask */ moved "yes" vote from "bam" to "nugo," per Fenhl's explanation.

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===whether===
See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to ask|this vote]].

{{V|tum|date=2011-6-5|FH|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|DC|y}}

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y|BF|y|FH|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y|DC|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**Naeso has a fixed [[Naeso/Phonology|pronounciation]]: bvya would be pronounced {{IPA|/bvyˈa/}}. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**Mina simply indicates motion or travel. You can specify the starting and end points, speed, means of travel, traveller, and so on if you want, but you can also leave them out. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
***All right. So, we would need a verb form of "tsia," to use "to go," in that case; yes? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
*If you want to propose a compound, go ahead! —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to ask===

For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
{{V|bam|date=2011-6-3|LS|n|BF|y|FH|n}}

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. I'm adding that option right now. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**No, that's not what I meant. I meant that if we add a separate word (e.g. ''tum'') which means ''whether'', we could say ''nugo bam'' for ''to ask someone to do something'', or ''mugo tum'' for ''to ask someone, whether…'' —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
***Whoops. sorry about that. I'll change my vote on there to a "No."

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*Would this be the "head" of the household, or the "head" of the body? Or does usage define meaning? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**I think metaphorical meanings will mostly be assigned by usage. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*I like this. It could add new meaning to the "Knights Who Say Ni" scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y|LS|y|BF|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su
*nhanhnanh

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y|DC|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-05T11:57:16Z

Lamesu: /* fast */ Responded to FH's response.

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===whether===
See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to ask|this vote]].

{{V|tum|date=2011-6-5|FH|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|DC|y}}

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y|BF|y|FH|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y|DC|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**Naeso has a fixed [[Naeso/Phonology|pronounciation]]: bvya would be pronounced {{IPA|/bvyˈa/}}. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**Mina simply indicates motion or travel. You can specify the starting and end points, speed, means of travel, traveller, and so on if you want, but you can also leave them out. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
***All right. So, we would need a verb form of "tsia," to use "to go," in that case; yes? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
*If you want to propose a compound, go ahead! —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to ask===

For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|bam|date=2011-6-3|LS|y|BF|y|FH|n}}

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. I'm adding that option right now. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**No, that's not what I meant. I meant that if we add a separate word (e.g. ''tum'') which means ''whether'', we could say ''nugo bam'' for ''to ask someone to do something'', or ''mugo tum'' for ''to ask someone, whether…'' —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*Would this be the "head" of the household, or the "head" of the body? Or does usage define meaning? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
**I think metaphorical meanings will mostly be assigned by usage. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*I like this. It could add new meaning to the "Knights Who Say Ni" scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y|LS|y|BF|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su
*nhanhnanh

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y|DC|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T12:10:05Z

Lamesu: /* other logic operators */ Voted "yes" on "use negative ..."

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|bam|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. I'm adding that option right now. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*Would this be the "head" of the household, or the "head" of the body? Or does usage define meaning? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*I like this. It could add new meaning to the "Knights Who Say Ni" scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y|LS|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

''currently empty''

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T12:08:41Z

Lamesu: /* no */ voted "yes" on "ni"

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|bam|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. I'm adding that option right now. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*Would this be the "head" of the household, or the "head" of the body? Or does usage define meaning? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*I like this. It could add new meaning to the "Knights Who Say Ni" scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

''currently empty''

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T12:07:20Z

Lamesu: /* yes */

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|bam|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. I'm adding that option right now. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*Would this be the "head" of the household, or the "head" of the body? Or does usage define meaning? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

''currently empty''

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T12:06:50Z

Lamesu: /* body */ voted "yes" on "kemga"

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|bam|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. I'm adding that option right now. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*Would this be the "head" of the household, or the "head" of the body? Or does usage define meaning? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

''currently empty''

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T12:06:00Z

Lamesu: /* head */ commented, voted "yes" on "bveo."

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|bam|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. I'm adding that option right now. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*Would this be the "head" of the household, or the "head" of the body? Or does usage define meaning? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

''currently empty''

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T12:04:35Z

Lamesu: /* to cut */ voted "yes" on "tsam"

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|bam|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. I'm adding that option right now. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

''currently empty''

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T12:03:56Z

Lamesu: /* name */

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|bam|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. I'm adding that option right now. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

''currently empty''

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T12:02:58Z

Lamesu: /* to know */

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|bam|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. I'm adding that option right now. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

''currently empty''

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Names

2011-06-03T12:01:32Z

Lamesu: /* USA */ added "Usania."

{{PD}}Here's a list of names: personal names, family names, names of cities, seas, languages, etc. You get it.

__NOTOC__
This page has a [[#Defined|defined]] section and a [[#Voting|voting]] section. If you cast the final vote on a name, please move it up to the defined section. If you vote against a suggestion, please provide another one.

==Capitalization==

''This vote has been moved to [[Naeso/Transliteration|Transliteration]].''

==Quoting or marking of names==
{{V|All names get quoted or marked in some way, e.g. a special preposition|date=2011-5-16|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|No names get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}}
{{V|Names that look sort of like native Naeso words get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BL|y|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|Names that violate Naeso phonotactics or orthography get quoted or marked|date=2011-5-16|JH|n|FH|n|BF|y}}

==Defined==

*Babel: '''Babel'''
*Blisk: '''Bilisuku'''
*BlueRider: '''Gelaida'''
*Chomsky: '''Tsomseki'''
*English: '''Inhlisi'''
*Europe: '''Eupa'''
*Fenhl: '''Fenuel'''
*Germany: '''Alemanni'''
*Greenberg: '''Pembegu'''
*Grimm: '''Gelim'''
*jim_henry: '''Jaeku'''
*MalfermitaKodo: '''Nhukodo'''
*Micah: '''Mika'''
*Paris: '''Lutetsia'''
*Sapir: '''Saepi'''
*Whorf: '''Uofa'''

==Voting==

===James, Jim, Jacques, Diego, Iago,…===
*other than jim_henry
{{V|Iakobo|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|n}}
{{V|Iako|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y}}

===Hildegard===
{{V|Ildegal|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===Zamenhof===
{{V|Zameno|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===Tolkien===
{{V|Tolkin|date=2011-5-11|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}

===bornfor===
{{V|Banfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|n|JH|y}}
{{V|Balanfal|date=2011-5-11|BF|y|FH|y|JH|y}}

===Bingen===
{{V|Binhgium|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
*According to the German Wikipedia, the name derives from ''Bingium''.

===USA===
{{V|Usa|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
{{V|Usania|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I like Benjamin Franklin's idea of "Usania" (/,ju"zajn"i,a/), back when the US's Founding Fathers were working on a shorthand for "The United States of America." It looks like an actual country's name, rather than an acronym.
**Please note that this would be pronounced differently than the other IPA; instead, it would be /,u"sa"ni,a/, if that makes sense. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===Groningen===
*Where [http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/ LCC4] took place.
{{V|Goninh|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Transliteration

2011-06-03T11:55:43Z

Lamesu: /* Capitalization */ voted "yes" on final option (Naeso-original names), voted "no" on the first two (beginning of sentence, verbs).

{{PD}}

Since [[Naeso]] is a language for the internet, and especially IRC, most Naeso is written using this Latin '''transliteration'''.

<br/>
<div style="text-align: center;">

{| style="text-align: center; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1pt solid #c0c0c0;"
!colspan=17 style="text-align:center; background: #efefef;"| Consonants
|- style="vertical-align: center; font-size: x-small; height: 2em"
| ||colspan=2| Bilabial ||colspan=2| Labiod. ||colspan=2| Dental ||colspan=2| Alveolar ||colspan=2| Post-alv. ||colspan=2| Palatal ||colspan=2| Velar ||colspan=2| Glottal
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Nasal || || m || || || || || || n || || || || || || nh
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Plosive || p || b || || || || || t || d || || || || || k || g
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Fricative || || || f || v || th || || s || z || || j || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || l
|}

</div>

<br/>
<div style="text-align: center;">

{| style="text-align: center; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1pt solid #c0c0c0;"
!colspan=11 style="text-align:center; background: #efefef;"| Vowels
|- style="vertical-align: center; font-size: x-small; height: 2em"
| ||colspan=2| Front ||colspan=2| Near-front ||colspan=2| Central ||colspan=2| Near-back ||colspan=2| Back
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| High || i || y || || || || || || || || u
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Near-high || || || || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| High-mid || || || e || || || || || || || o
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Low || || || || || a
|}

</div>

Naeso also has a [[Naeso/Orthography|native script]], which is only used for stylistic purposes.

==Liaison==

We have voted the [[Naeso/Phonology#Liaison|liaison consonant]] to be /ʔ/. '''How is it written down?'''
{{V|'|date=2011-5-12|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|not at all|date=2011-5-12|FH|n|JH|n|BF|n}}

==Capitalization==
*For each item in this list, vote on whether it is capitalized.

{{V|the beginning of each sentence|date=2011-5-12|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y|LS|n}}
{{V|all verbs|date=2011-5-12|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n|LS|n}}
{{V|[[Naeso/Names|names]] that are also capitalized in the original language|result=y}}
*for example 'Max Dominik Weber' or 'ChanServ'
{{V|[[Naeso/Names|names]] that are not capitalized in the original language|result=y}}
*for example jim_henry or danah boyd
{{V|[[Naeso/Names|names]] that originate in Naeso|date=2011-5-12|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T11:51:10Z

Lamesu: /* to ask */ Seconded Fenhl's proposal, added proposed word "bam", which also means "whether."

{{PD}}

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==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|bam|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. I'm adding that option right now. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

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*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

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Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T11:47:32Z

Lamesu: /* to marry */ Voted "yes" on kaminhto, comment related to Greek "eros".

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==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*No better alternative, but what if we used a version of "love" (in this case, if needed, passionate love -- Greek "eros") with a pre- or suffix for "to join"? Literally, this would be "to join love," but this might be more- or less-confusing, compared to kaminhto. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

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Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T11:40:44Z

Lamesu: /* fast */ voted "yes" on tsia, added a concern about "go fast"

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List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y|LS|y}}
*My only concern is that, given the question of "go fast", which is shown above, what would we use for the verb, "to go fast" (not "to fast", in my opinion, but it could be Let Usage Define Meaning)? Would it be "mina tsia", which would mean, from my understanding, "to (go/leave/depart) fastly" or some "verbified" version of "tsia"? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

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{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T11:35:44Z

Lamesu: /* to run */ seconded FH's thought.

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List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n|LS|y}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Seconded. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

''currently empty''

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T11:33:41Z

Lamesu: /* bridge */ added a comment and question.

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I'm concerned as to the pronunciation of the <bvya> sounds: /,b"vja/, /,b"vi,a/, /"bvi,a/, or something else? It might become hard to read (much more-so pronounce), to the average speaker/user. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

''currently empty''

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T11:29:04Z

Lamesu: /* elephant */ voted "yes" on "tampfy"

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

''currently empty''

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T11:28:14Z

Lamesu: /* beautiful */ voted "yes" on "djensi"; provided alternative "jensi"

{{PD}}

List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

==Proposed grammatical particles==

===present tense===
{{V|-su|result=n}}
* On the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], we have voted tense suffixes out.

===instrumental preposition===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y}}

===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].

===intention===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.

{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==Proposed content words==

===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|dana|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}

===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y|LS|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
*I like it, too (because of RJ's thought), but I'm concerned about how it would be pronounced to an average viewer. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*This sounds a bit harsh, for "beautiful," but given consensus, I suppose there's no other way to go. Might I propose an alternative, with similar sounds? ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]
{{V|jensi|date=2011-6-3|LS|y}}
*I'll vote "yes" on both until I'm convinced either way. ~[[User:Lamesu|LS]]

===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}

===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y|BF|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|n}}
*In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
*Something like this would be clear from the context. Trains can't run. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}

===very===

This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].

===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].

*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].

{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

==logic==

===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y|BF|y}}

===other logic operators===

{{V|for negative counterparts of logic operators, suffix the word for "no"|date=2011-5-25|FH|y}}

*"neither red nor blue" would be ''dzoni dol gel''.
*"not both red and blue" would be ''bvini dol gel''.
*"either both red and blue, or neither red nor blue" would be ''pfeni dol gel''.

===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.

*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]

==Suggestion list==

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su

==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

''currently empty''

{{Naeso}}

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T11:17:26Z

Lamesu: /* evil */ Commented, voted "yes" on "tthuy"

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T11:14:52Z

Lamesu: /* goat */ "Yes" on "bendiza"

Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

2011-06-03T11:12:41Z

Lamesu: /* to go */ "Yes" on "Mina"

Malakana

2011-05-24T12:46:24Z

Lamesu: Changed a red link, changed some transliterations.

'''Malakana''' is a language set in the world of '''Kor'''. The language was created by [[User:Lamesu|Samuel T. Weston]].

==Consonants==
All ''consonants'' are listed by their transliteration, followed by their IPA value:

< b, c, cc, d, f, g, h, j, jj, l, ll, m, n, p, r, rr, s, ss, t, v, vv, z, >

/ b, ʃ, tʃ, d, f, g, h, ʒ, dʒ, l, ʟ, m, n, p, ɹ, r, s, θ, t, v, ð, z /

==Vowels==
The basic vowels are '''a, e, i, o, u, w,''' and '''y''', where "w" and "y" are used as diphthongal vowels, replacing the "u" and "i", respectively.

For example, the sounds for "ay" would be like "ai", and the sound for "aw" is similar to "au".

==External Links==
The [http://siderial.net/kor/languages/ Official (Basic) Language Page] on Siderial.net

[[Category:Conlangs]]

LCC4 Relay

2011-04-18T21:32:35Z

Lamesu: Removed my name.

David Peterson is running the official relay ring for LCC4, which will be unveiled live at the conference. [http://dedalvs.com/relay/previous/lcc4participants.html List of participants]

Arthaey Angosii is running the unofficial schedule-less ring. List of participants:

* David Peterson (Dothraki)
* '''Arthaey Angosii ([http://conlang.arthaey.com/lhenazi/ Lhenazi])'''
* Lars Finsen (Tubenian)
* Irina Rempt ([http://valdyas.org/irina/valdyas/ilaini Ilaini], before Apr 17 or after Apr 24)
* [[User:Bornfor|bornforwater]] (Sandic)
* Roger Mills
* Jeffrey Jones
* Andrej Šuc
* [[User:Fenhl|Max Dominik Weber]] ([[Naeso]], before Apr 21 or after Apr 30)
* kechpaja

The list above is in order of when each person expressed interest, which may correlate with translation order. <tt>;)</tt> The person who currently has the torch is in bold. Because this second ring is "schedule-less," the normal 48-hour relay limit does not apply.

== See also: ==
* [[Conlang relay]]

[[Category:Conlang relays]]

User:Lamesu

2011-04-10T23:33:02Z

Lamesu: Started page.

Hello! I am '''Lamesu''', also known as '''Samuel T. Weston'''.

I am the creator of [[Malakana]] (and, subsequently, Illukan).

LCC4 Relay

2011-04-10T23:12:30Z

Lamesu:

David Peterson is running the official relay ring for LCC4, which will be unveiled live at the conference. [http://dedalvs.com/relay/previous/lcc4participants.html List of participants]

Arthaey Angosii is running the unofficial schedule-less ring. List of participants:

* David Peterson (Dothraki)
* '''Arthaey Angosii ([http://conlang.arthaey.com/lhenazi/ Lhenazi])'''
* Lars Finsen (Tubenian)
* Irina Rempt ([http://valdyas.org/irina/valdyas/ilaini Ilaini], before Apr 17 or after Apr 24)
* [[User:Bornfor|bornforwater]] (Sandic)
* Roger Mills
* Jeffrey Jones
* Andrej Šuc
* [[User:Fenhl|Max Dominik Weber]] ([[Naeso]], before Apr 21 or after Apr 30)
* kechpaja
* Samuel T. Weston ([http://siderial.net/kor/languages/ Malakana/Illukan])

The list above is in order of when each person expressed interest, which may correlate with translation order. <tt>;)</tt> The person who currently has the torch is in bold. Because this second ring is "schedule-less," the normal 48-hour relay limit does not apply.

== See also: ==
* [[Conlang relay]]

[[Category:Conlang relays]]

LCC4 Relay

2011-04-10T23:12:09Z

Lamesu: Added my name

David Peterson is running the official relay ring for LCC4, which will be unveiled live at the conference. [http://dedalvs.com/relay/previous/lcc4participants.html List of participants]

Arthaey Angosii is running the unofficial schedule-less ring. List of participants:

* David Peterson (Dothraki)
* '''Arthaey Angosii ([http://conlang.arthaey.com/lhenazi/ Lhenazi])'''
* Lars Finsen (Tubenian)
* Irina Rempt ([http://valdyas.org/irina/valdyas/ilaini Ilaini], before Apr 17 or after Apr 24)
* [[User:Bornfor|bornforwater]] (Sandic)
* Roger Mills
* Jeffrey Jones
* Andrej Šuc
* [[User:Fenhl|Max Dominik Weber]] ([[Naeso]], before Apr 21 or after Apr 30)
* kechpaja
* Samuel T. Weston ([http://siderial.net/kor/languages/ Malakana/Illukan)

The list above is in order of when each person expressed interest, which may correlate with translation order. <tt>;)</tt> The person who currently has the torch is in bold. Because this second ring is "schedule-less," the normal 48-hour relay limit does not apply.

== See also: ==
* [[Conlang relay]]

[[Category:Conlang relays]]

Malakana

2011-04-06T23:39:31Z

Lamesu:

'''Malakana''' is a language set in the world of '''Kor'''. The language was created by [[Lamesu|Samuel T. Weston]].

==Consonants==
All ''consonants'' are listed by their transliteration, followed by their IPA value:

b = /b/
c = /ʃ/
cc = /tʃ/
d = /d/
f = /f/
g = /g/
h = /h/
j = /ʒ/
jj = /dʒ/
l = /l/
ll = /ʟ/
m = /m/
n = /n/
p = /p/
r = /ɹ/
rr = /r/
s = /s/
t = /t/
th = /θ/
v = /v/
z = /z/

==Vowels==
The basic vowels are '''a, e, i, o, u, w,''' and '''y''', where "w" and "y" are used as diphthongal vowels, replacing the "u" and "i", respectively.

For example, the sounds for "ay" would be like "ai", and the sound for "aw" is similar to "au".

==External Links==
The [http://siderial.net/kor/languages/ Official (Basic) Language Page] on Siderial.net

[[Category:Conlangs]]

Malakana

2011-04-06T23:36:20Z

Lamesu: /* External Links */

Malakana

2011-04-06T23:35:51Z

Lamesu: Started the page.