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2009-03-30T14:36:37Z

Eldin raigmore: /* Minor edit: pléofont> s/b pléo */ new section

What indicates words of Turkish origin?
[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 18:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

== Minor edit: pléofont> s/b pléo ==

I corrected it (changed pléofont> to pléo ). I hope that's OK.

Athonite Swadesh List

2009-03-30T14:32:38Z

Eldin raigmore: corrected pléofont>; should be pléo

ÁÄÐÉÍÓǾØÚÞáäðéíóøǿþúüǘ

{| border=1
|i=No| №
!c=en| English
!c=el| Greek
!c=at| Athonite
|-
|i=No| 1
|c=en| I
|c=el| εγώ
|c=at| γώ go
|-
|i=No| 2
|c=en| thou (singular)
|c=el| εσύ
|c=at| ςύ sú
|-
|i=No| 3
|c=en| he she it
|c=el| αυτός αυτή αυτό
|c=at| αυτός äftós αυτή äftí αυτό äftó
|-
|i=No| 4
|c=en| we
|c=el| εμείς
|c=at| εμίς emís
|-
|i=No| 5
|c=en| you (plural)
|c=el| εσείς
|c=at| εςίς esís
|-
|i=No| 6
|c=en| they
|c=el| αυτoί αυτές αυτά
|c=at| αυτoί äftí αυτές äftés αυτά äftá
|-
|i=No| 7
|c=en| this
|c=el| αυτός
|c=at| αυτ äft
|-
|i=No| 8
|c=en| that
|c=el| αυτός (εκεί)
|c=at| εκείν ekín
|-
|i=No| 9
|c=en| here
|c=el| εδώ
|c=at| εδώ eðó
|-
|i=No| 10
|c=en| there
|c=el| εκεί
|c=at| εκεί ekí
|-
|i=No| 11
|c=en| who
|c=el| ποιός
|c=at| ποι pi
|-
|i=No| 12
|c=en| what
|c=el| τι
|c=at| τι ti
|-
|i=No| 13
|c=en| where
|c=el| πού
|c=at| που pu
|-
|i=No| 14
|c=en| when
|c=el| πότε
|c=at| πoτ pøt
|-
|i=No| 15
|c=en| how
|c=el| πως
|c=at| πω po
|-
|i=No| 16
|c=en| not
|c=el| δεν / μη
|c=at| δεν / μη ðen / mi
|-
|i=No| 17
|c=en| all
|c=el| όλος
|c=lu| oλ øl
|-
|i=No| 18
|c=en| many
|c=el| πολλοί
|c=lu| πολ pøl
|-
|i=No| 19
|c=en| some
|c=el| μερικός
|c=lu| μερίκ merík
|-
|i=No| 20
|c=en| few
|c=el| λίγοι
|c=lu| λιγ lig
|-
|i=No| 21
|c=en| other
|c=el| άλλος
|c=lu| αλ al
|-
|i=No| 22
|c=en| one
|c=el| ένας, μια, ένα
|c=lu| έν en
|-
|i=No| 23
|c=en| two
|c=el| δύο
|c=lu| δύο ðǘo
|-
|i=No| 24
|c=en| three
|c=el| τρείς
|c=lu| τρις tris
|-
|i=No| 25
|c=en| four
|c=el| τέσσερα
|c=lu| τέςερ téser
|-
|i=No| 26
|c=en| five
|c=el| πέντε
|c=lu| πεντ pent
|-
|i=No| 27
|c=en| big
|c=el| μεγάλος
|c=lu| μεγάλ megál
|-
|i=No| 28
|c=en| long
|c=el| μακρύς
|c=lu| μακ mak
|-
|i=No| 29
|c=en| wide
|c=el| ευρύς
|c=lu| ευρ evr
|-
|i=No| 30
|c=en| thick
|c=el| παχός
|c=lu| παχ pah
|-
|i=No| 31
|c=en| heavy
|c=el| βαρύς
|c=lu| βαρ var
|-
|i=No| 32
|c=en| small
|c=el| μικρός
|c=lu| μικ mik
|-
|i=No| 33
|c=en| short
|c=el| κοντός
|c=lu| κοντ kønt
|-
|i=No| 34
|c=en| narrow
|c=el| στενός
|c=lu| ςτεν sten
|-
|i=No| 35
|c=en| thin
|c=el| λεπτός
|c=lu| λεπτ lept
|-
|i=No| 36
|c=en| woman
|c=el| γυναίκα
|c=lu| γυνέκ, -ι junék, -i
|-
|i=No| 37
|c=en| man (adult male)
|c=el| άντρας
|c=lu| αντ, -ρι and, -ri
|-
|i=No| 38
|c=en| man (human being)
|c=el| άνθρωπος
|c=lu| άνθρωπ, -ι ánþrop, -i
|-
|i=No| 39
|c=en| child (a youth)
|c=el| παιδί
|c=lu| πεδ, -ά peð, -á
|-
|i=No| 40
|c=en| wife
|c=el| σύζυγος
|c=lu| χάνιμ, -ι hánim, -i
|-
|i=No| 41
|c=en| husband
|c=el| σύζυγος
|c=lu| εφέντ, -ι efénd, -i
|-
|i=No| 42
|c=en| mother
|c=el| μητέρα
|c=lu| μητέρ, -ι mitér, -i
|-
|i=No| 43
|c=en| father
|c=el| πατέρας
|c=lu| πατέρ päter, -i
|-
|i=No| 44
|c=en| animal
|c=el| ζώο
|c=lu| ζο, -α zo, -a
|-
|i=No| 45
|c=en| fish
|c=el| ψάρι
|c=lu| ψάρι, -α psári, -a
|-
|i=No| 46
|c=en| bird
|c=el| πουλί
|c=lu| πουλ, -ά poul, -á
|-
|i=No| 47
|c=en| dog
|c=el| σκύλος
|c=lu| σκυλ, -α skυl, -a
|-
|i=No| 48
|c=en| louse
|c=el| ψείρα
|c=lu| μπιτ, -α bit, -a
|-
|i=No| 49
|c=en| snake
|c=el| φίδι
|c=lu| φιδ, -α fið, -a
|-
|i=No| 50
|c=en| worm
|c=el| σκουλίκι
|c=lu| σκουλίκ, -α skulík, -a
|-
|i=No| 51
|c=en| tree
|c=el| δέντρο
|c=lu| δεντ, -ρα ðend, -ra
|-
|i=No| 52
|c=en| forest
|c=el| δάσος
|c=lu| δας, -α ðas, -a
|-
|i=No| 53
|c=en| stick (of wood)
|c=el| κλαδί
|c=lu| κλαδ, -α klað, -a
|-
|i=No| 54
|c=en| fruit
|c=el| φρούτο
|c=lu| φρουτ, -α frout, -a
|-
|i=No| 55
|c=en| seed
|c=el| σπόρος
|c=lu| ςπορ, -α spor, -a
|-
|i=No| 56
|c=en| leaf
|c=el| φύλλο
|c=lu| φυλ, -α ful, -a
|-
|i=No| 57
|c=en| root
|c=el| ρίζα
|c=lu| ριζ, -α riz, -a
|-
|i=No| 58
|c=en| bark (of tree)
|c=el| φλούδα
|c=lu| φλουδ floud, -a
|-
|i=No| 59
|c=en| flower
|c=el| λουλούδι
|c=lu| λουλούδ, -α louloúð, -a
|-
|i=No| 60
|c=en| grass
|c=el| χορτάρι
|c=lu| χορτάρ, -α hortár, -a
|-
|i=No| 61
|c=en| rope
|c=el| σκοινί
|c=lu| σκιν, -α skin, -a
|-
|i=No| 62
|c=en| skin (of a person)
|c=el| δέρμα
|c=lu| δερμ, -α ðerm, -a
|-
|i=No| 63
|c=en| meat (as in flesh)
|c=el| κρέας
|c=lu| κρε, -α kre, -a
|-
|i=No| 64
|c=en| blood
|c=el| αίμα
|c=lu| εμ, -α em, -a
|-
|i=No| 65
|c=en| bone
|c=el| κόκκαλο
|c=lu| κόκαλ, -α kǿkäl, -a
|-
|i=No| 66
|c=en| fat (noun)
|c=el| λίπος
|c=lu| λιπ, -α lip, -a
|-
|i=No| 67
|c=en| egg
|c=el| αυγό
|c=lu| αυγ, -ά avg, -á
|-
|i=No| 68
|c=en| horn
|c=el| κεράτο
|c=lu| κεράτ, -α kerát, -a
|-
|i=No| 69
|c=en| tail
|c=el| ουρά
|c=lu| ουρ, -ά our, -á
|-
|i=No| 70
|c=en| feather
|c=el| πούπουλο
|c=lu| πούπουλ, -α poúpoul, -a
|-
|i=No| 71
|c=en| hair
|c=el| τρίχωμα
|c=lu| τρίχωμ, -α tríhom, -a
|-
|i=No| 72
|c=en| head
|c=el| κεφάλι
|c=lu| κεφάλ, -α kefál, -a
|-
|i=No| 73
|c=en| ear
|c=el| αυτί
|c=lu| αυτ, -ά aft, -á
|-
|i=No| 74
|c=en| eye
|c=el| μάτι
|c=lu| ματ, -α mat, -a
|-
|i=No| 75
|c=en| nose
|c=el| μύτη
|c=lu| μυτ, -α mut, -a
|-
|i=No| 76
|c=en| mouth
|c=el| στόμα
|c=lu| ςτoμ, -α støm, -a
|-
|i=No| 77
|c=en| tooth
|c=el| δόντι
|c=lu| δoντ, -α ðønd, -a
|-
|i=No| 78
|c=en| tongue
|c=el| γλώσσα
|c=lu| γλως, -α glos, -a
|-
|i=No| 79
|c=en| fingernail
|c=el| νύχι
|c=lu| νυχ, -α nux, -a
|-
|i=No| 80
|c=en| foot
|c=el| πατούσα
|c=lu| πατούς, -α pätoús, -a
|-
|i=No| 81
|c=en| leg
|c=el| πόδι
|c=lu| ποδ, -α pøð, -a
|-
|i=No| 82
|c=en| knee
|c=el| γόνατο
|c=lu| γόνατ, -α gǿnät, -a
|-
|i=No| 83
|c=en| hand
|c=el| χέρι
|c=lu| χερ, -α her, -a
|-
|i=No| 84
|c=en| wing
|c=el| φτερό
|c=lu| φτερ, -α fter, -a
|-
|i=No| 85
|c=en| belly
|c=el| κοιλιά
|c=lu| κιλ -ά kil, -á
|-
|i=No| 86
|c=en| guts
|c=el| εντέρα
|c=lu| εντέρ, -α entér, -a
|-
|i=No| 87
|c=en| neck
|c=el| λαιμός
|c=lu| λεμ, -ά lem, -á
|-
|i=No| 88
|c=en| back
|c=el| πλάτη
|c=lu| πλατ, -α plat, -a
|-
|i=No| 89
|c=en| breast
|c=el| στήθος
|c=lu| ςτιθ, -α stiþ, -a
|-
|i=No| 90
|c=en| heart
|c=el| καρδιά
|c=lu| καρδ, -ιά kard, -iá
|-
|i=No| 91
|c=en| liver
|c=el| συκώτι
|c=lu| ςυκώτ, -α sukót, -a
|-
|i=No| 92
|c=en| to drink
|c=el| πίνω
|c=lu| πίνω píno
|-
|i=No| 93
|c=en| to eat
|c=el| τρώω
|c=lu| τρώω tróo
|-
|i=No| 94
|c=en| to bite
|c=el| δαγκώνω
|c=lu| δαγκώνω dägkóno
|-
|i=No| 95
|c=en| to suck
|c=el| ρουφάω
|c=lu| ρουφώ roufó
|-
|i=No| 96
|c=en| to spit
|c=el| φτύνω
|c=lu| φτύνω ftúno
|-
|i=No| 97
|c=en| to vomit
|c=el| ξερνάω
|c=lu| ξερνώ xernó
|-
|i=No| 98
|c=en| to blow
|c=el| φυσώ
|c=lu| φυςώ fusó
|-
|i=No| 99
|c=en| to breathe
|c=el| αναπνέω
|c=lu| αναπνώ änäpnó
|-
|i=No| 100
|c=en| laugh
|c=el| γελάω
|c=lu| γελώ geló
|-
|i=No| 101
|c=en| see
|c=el| βλέπω
|c=lu| βλέπω vlépo
|-
|i=No| 102
|c=en| hear
|c=el| ακούω
|c=lu| ακούω äkoúo
|-
|i=No| 103
|c=en| know (a fact)
|c=el| γνωρίζω
|c=lu| γνωρίζω gnorízo
|-
|i=No| 104
|c=en| think
|c=el| σκέφτομαι
|c=lu| ςκέφτομε skéftøme
|-
|i=No| 105
|c=en| [[smell]] (sense odor)
|c=el| μυρίζω
|c=lu| μυρίζω murízo
|-
|i=No| 106
|c=en| fear
|c=el| φοβάμαι
|c=lu| φοβάμε føváme
|-
|i=No| 107
|c=en| sleep
|c=el| κοιμάμαι
|c=lu| κιμάμε kimáme
|-
|i=No| 108
|c=en| live
|c=el| ζω
|c=lu| ζω zo
|-
|i=No| 109
|c=en| die
|c=el| πεθαίνω
|c=lu| πεθένω peþéno
|-
|i=No| 110
|c=en| kill
|c=el| σκοτώνω
|c=lu| ςκοτώνω skøtóno
|-
|i=No| 111
|c=en| fight
|c=el| τσακώνομαι
|c=lu| τςακώνομε tsäkónøme
|-
|i=No| 112
|c=en| hunt (transitive)
|c=el| κυνηγώ
|c=lu| κυνηγώ kunigó
|-
|i=No| 113
|c=en| hit
|c=el| χτυπώ
|c=lu| χτυπώ htupó
|-
|i=No| 114
|c=en| cut
|c=el| κόβω
|c=lu| κόβω kǿvo
|-
|i=No| 115
|c=en| split
|c=el| σχίζω
|c=lu| ςχίζω shízo
|-
|i=No| 116
|c=en| stab
|c=el| μαχπόβω
|c=lu| μαχπόβω mähpǿvo
|-
|i=No| 117
|c=en| scratch (an itch)
|c=el| ξύνω
|c=lu| ξύνω xúno
|-
|i=No| 118
|c=en| dig
|c=el| σκάβω
|c=lu| ςκάβω skávo
|-
|i=No| 119
|c=en| swim
|c=el|
|c=lu| skøtóno
|-
|i=No| 120
|c=en| fly
|c=el| πετώ
|c=lu| πετώ petó
|-
|i=No| 121
|c=en| walk
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 122
|c=en| come
|c=el| έρχομαι
|c=lu| έρχομε érhome
|-
|i=No| 123
|c=en| lie (as on one's side)
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 124
|c=en| sit
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 125
|c=en| stand
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 126
|c=en| turn
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 127
|c=en| fall
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 128
|c=en| give
|c=el|
|c=lu| västázo
|-
|i=No| 129
|c=en| hold
|c=el| βαστάζω
|c=lu| βαςτάζω västázo
|-
|i=No| 130
|c=en| squeeze
|c=el| σφίνγω
|c=lu| ςφίνγω sfíngo
|-
|i=No| 131
|c=en| rub
|c=el| τρίνω
|c=lu| τρίνω tríno
|-
|i=No| 132
|c=en| wash
|c=el| πλένω
|c=lu| πλένω pléno
|-
|i=No| 133
|c=en| wipe
|c=el| απωμάσω
|c=lu| απωμάςω äpomáso
|-
|i=No| 134
|c=en| pull
|c=el| απωμάσω
|c=lu| απωμάςω äpomáso
|-
|i=No| 135
|c=en| push
|c=el| σπρώχνω
|c=lu| ςπρώχνω spróhno
|-
|i=No| 136
|c=en| throw
|c=el| απόσπω
|c=lu| απόςπω äpǿspo
|-
|i=No| 137
|c=en| tie
|c=el| δένω
|c=lu| δένω déno
|-
|i=No| 138
|c=en| sew
|c=el| ράπτω
|c=lu| ράπτω rápto
|-
|i=No| 139
|c=en| count
|c=el| αριθμώ
|c=lu| αριθμώ ärithmó
|-
|i=No| 140
|c=en| say
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 141
|c=en| sing
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 142
|c=en| play
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 143
|c=en| float
|c=el| πλέω
|c=lu| πλέω pléo
|-
|i=No| 144
|c=en| flow
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 145
|c=en| freeze
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 146
|c=en| swell
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 147
|c=en| sun
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 148
|c=en| moon
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 149
|c=en| star
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 150
|c=en| water
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 151
|c=en| rain
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 152
|c=en| river
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 153
|c=en| lake
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 154
|c=en| sea
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 155
|c=en| salt
|c=el|
|c=lu| al
|-
|i=No| 156
|c=en| stone
|c=el|
|c=lu| liþ
|-
|i=No| 157
|c=en| sand
|c=el|
|c=lu| am
|-
|i=No| 158
|c=en| dust
|c=el|
|c=lu| skøn
|-
|i=No| 159
|c=en| earth (as in soil)
|c=el| χώμα
|c=lu| hom
|-
|i=No| 160
|c=en| cloud
|c=el| σύννεφο
|c=lu| nefél
|-
|i=No| 161
|c=en| fog
|c=el| ομίχλη
|c=lu| omíh
|-
|i=No| 162
|c=en| sky
|c=el| ουρανός
|c=lu| urán
|-
|i=No| 163
|c=en| wind]] (as in breeze)
|c=el| αέρας
|c=lu| ánem
|-
|i=No| 164
|c=en| snow
|c=el| χιόνι
|c=lu| hión
|-
|i=No| 165
|c=en| ice
|c=el| πάγος
|c=lu| pag
|-
|i=No| 166
|c=en| smoke
|c=el| καπνός
|c=lu| áhnø
|-
|i=No| 167
|c=en| fire
|c=el| φωτιά
|c=lu| fotí
|-
|i=No| 168
|c=en| ashes
|c=el|
|c=lu| tefr
|-
|i=No| 169
|c=en| burn
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 170
|c=en| road
|c=el| δρόμος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 171
|c=en| mountain
|c=el| βουνό
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 172
|c=en| red
|c=el| κόκκινος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 173
|c=en| green
|c=el| πράσινος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 174
|c=en| yellow
|c=el| κίτρινος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 175
|c=en| white
|c=el| άσπρος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 176
|c=en| black
|c=el| μαύρος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 177
|c=en| night
|c=el| νύχτα
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 178
|c=en| day
|c=el| ημέρα
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 179
|c=en| year
|c=el| έτος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 180
|c=en| warm
|c=el| θερμός
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 181
|c=en| cold
|c=el| κρύο
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 182
|c=en| full
|c=el| πλήρης
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 183
|c=en| new
|c=el| νέος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 184
|c=en| old
|c=el| παλαιός
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 185
|c=en| good
|c=el| καλός
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 186
|c=en| bad
|c=el| κακός
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 187
|c=en| rotten
|c=el| σάπιος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 188
|c=en| dirty
|c=el| βρώμικος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 189
|c=en| straight
|c=el| ίσια
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 190
|c=en| round
|c=el| κύκλος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 191
|c=en| sharp
|c=el| αιχμηρός
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 192
|c=en| dull
|c=el| εξασθενίστε
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 193
|c=en| smooth
|c=el| ομαλός
|c=lu| malák
|-
|i=No| 194
|c=en| wet
|c=el| υγρός
|c=lu| ügr
|-
|i=No| 195
|c=en| dry
|c=el| ξεράνετε
|c=lu| xer
|-
|i=No| 196
|c=en| right (correct)
|c=el| διορθώστε
|c=lu| ðik
|-
|i=No| 197
|c=en| near
|c=el| κοντά
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 198
|c=en| far
|c=el| μακριά
|c=lu| mak
|-
|i=No| 199
|c=en| right (side)
|c=el| δεξιός
|c=lu| ðex
|-
|i=No| 200
|c=en| left
|c=el| αριστερός
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 201
|c=en| at
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 202
|c=en| in
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 203
|c=en| with (accompanying)
|c=el| με
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 204
|c=en| and
|c=el| και
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 205
|c=en| if
|c=el| εάν
|c=lu| an
|-
|i=No| 206
|c=en| because
|c=el| επειδή
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 207
|c=en| name
|c=el| όνομα
|c=lu| ónom
|}

Athonite Swadesh List

2009-03-30T14:29:48Z

Eldin raigmore: Corrected pléofont> to pléo

ÁÄÐÉÍÓǾØÚÞáäðéíóøǿþúüǘ

{| border=1
|i=No| №
!c=en| English
!c=el| Greek
!c=at| Athonite
|-
|i=No| 1
|c=en| I
|c=el| εγώ
|c=at| γώ go
|-
|i=No| 2
|c=en| thou (singular)
|c=el| εσύ
|c=at| ςύ sú
|-
|i=No| 3
|c=en| he she it
|c=el| αυτός αυτή αυτό
|c=at| αυτός äftós αυτή äftí αυτό äftó
|-
|i=No| 4
|c=en| we
|c=el| εμείς
|c=at| εμίς emís
|-
|i=No| 5
|c=en| you (plural)
|c=el| εσείς
|c=at| εςίς esís
|-
|i=No| 6
|c=en| they
|c=el| αυτoί αυτές αυτά
|c=at| αυτoί äftí αυτές äftés αυτά äftá
|-
|i=No| 7
|c=en| this
|c=el| αυτός
|c=at| αυτ äft
|-
|i=No| 8
|c=en| that
|c=el| αυτός (εκεί)
|c=at| εκείν ekín
|-
|i=No| 9
|c=en| here
|c=el| εδώ
|c=at| εδώ eðó
|-
|i=No| 10
|c=en| there
|c=el| εκεί
|c=at| εκεί ekí
|-
|i=No| 11
|c=en| who
|c=el| ποιός
|c=at| ποι pi
|-
|i=No| 12
|c=en| what
|c=el| τι
|c=at| τι ti
|-
|i=No| 13
|c=en| where
|c=el| πού
|c=at| που pu
|-
|i=No| 14
|c=en| when
|c=el| πότε
|c=at| πoτ pøt
|-
|i=No| 15
|c=en| how
|c=el| πως
|c=at| πω po
|-
|i=No| 16
|c=en| not
|c=el| δεν / μη
|c=at| δεν / μη ðen / mi
|-
|i=No| 17
|c=en| all
|c=el| όλος
|c=lu| oλ øl
|-
|i=No| 18
|c=en| many
|c=el| πολλοί
|c=lu| πολ pøl
|-
|i=No| 19
|c=en| some
|c=el| μερικός
|c=lu| μερίκ merík
|-
|i=No| 20
|c=en| few
|c=el| λίγοι
|c=lu| λιγ lig
|-
|i=No| 21
|c=en| other
|c=el| άλλος
|c=lu| αλ al
|-
|i=No| 22
|c=en| one
|c=el| ένας, μια, ένα
|c=lu| έν en
|-
|i=No| 23
|c=en| two
|c=el| δύο
|c=lu| δύο ðǘo
|-
|i=No| 24
|c=en| three
|c=el| τρείς
|c=lu| τρις tris
|-
|i=No| 25
|c=en| four
|c=el| τέσσερα
|c=lu| τέςερ téser
|-
|i=No| 26
|c=en| five
|c=el| πέντε
|c=lu| πεντ pent
|-
|i=No| 27
|c=en| big
|c=el| μεγάλος
|c=lu| μεγάλ megál
|-
|i=No| 28
|c=en| long
|c=el| μακρύς
|c=lu| μακ mak
|-
|i=No| 29
|c=en| wide
|c=el| ευρύς
|c=lu| ευρ evr
|-
|i=No| 30
|c=en| thick
|c=el| παχός
|c=lu| παχ pah
|-
|i=No| 31
|c=en| heavy
|c=el| βαρύς
|c=lu| βαρ var
|-
|i=No| 32
|c=en| small
|c=el| μικρός
|c=lu| μικ mik
|-
|i=No| 33
|c=en| short
|c=el| κοντός
|c=lu| κοντ kønt
|-
|i=No| 34
|c=en| narrow
|c=el| στενός
|c=lu| ςτεν sten
|-
|i=No| 35
|c=en| thin
|c=el| λεπτός
|c=lu| λεπτ lept
|-
|i=No| 36
|c=en| woman
|c=el| γυναίκα
|c=lu| γυνέκ, -ι junék, -i
|-
|i=No| 37
|c=en| man (adult male)
|c=el| άντρας
|c=lu| αντ, -ρι and, -ri
|-
|i=No| 38
|c=en| man (human being)
|c=el| άνθρωπος
|c=lu| άνθρωπ, -ι ánþrop, -i
|-
|i=No| 39
|c=en| child (a youth)
|c=el| παιδί
|c=lu| πεδ, -ά peð, -á
|-
|i=No| 40
|c=en| wife
|c=el| σύζυγος
|c=lu| χάνιμ, -ι hánim, -i
|-
|i=No| 41
|c=en| husband
|c=el| σύζυγος
|c=lu| εφέντ, -ι efénd, -i
|-
|i=No| 42
|c=en| mother
|c=el| μητέρα
|c=lu| μητέρ, -ι mitér, -i
|-
|i=No| 43
|c=en| father
|c=el| πατέρας
|c=lu| πατέρ päter, -i
|-
|i=No| 44
|c=en| animal
|c=el| ζώο
|c=lu| ζο, -α zo, -a
|-
|i=No| 45
|c=en| fish
|c=el| ψάρι
|c=lu| ψάρι, -α psári, -a
|-
|i=No| 46
|c=en| bird
|c=el| πουλί
|c=lu| πουλ, -ά poul, -á
|-
|i=No| 47
|c=en| dog
|c=el| σκύλος
|c=lu| σκυλ, -α skυl, -a
|-
|i=No| 48
|c=en| louse
|c=el| ψείρα
|c=lu| μπιτ, -α bit, -a
|-
|i=No| 49
|c=en| snake
|c=el| φίδι
|c=lu| φιδ, -α fið, -a
|-
|i=No| 50
|c=en| worm
|c=el| σκουλίκι
|c=lu| σκουλίκ, -α skulík, -a
|-
|i=No| 51
|c=en| tree
|c=el| δέντρο
|c=lu| δεντ, -ρα ðend, -ra
|-
|i=No| 52
|c=en| forest
|c=el| δάσος
|c=lu| δας, -α ðas, -a
|-
|i=No| 53
|c=en| stick (of wood)
|c=el| κλαδί
|c=lu| κλαδ, -α klað, -a
|-
|i=No| 54
|c=en| fruit
|c=el| φρούτο
|c=lu| φρουτ, -α frout, -a
|-
|i=No| 55
|c=en| seed
|c=el| σπόρος
|c=lu| ςπορ, -α spor, -a
|-
|i=No| 56
|c=en| leaf
|c=el| φύλλο
|c=lu| φυλ, -α ful, -a
|-
|i=No| 57
|c=en| root
|c=el| ρίζα
|c=lu| ριζ, -α riz, -a
|-
|i=No| 58
|c=en| bark (of tree)
|c=el| φλούδα
|c=lu| φλουδ floud, -a
|-
|i=No| 59
|c=en| flower
|c=el| λουλούδι
|c=lu| λουλούδ, -α louloúð, -a
|-
|i=No| 60
|c=en| grass
|c=el| χορτάρι
|c=lu| χορτάρ, -α hortár, -a
|-
|i=No| 61
|c=en| rope
|c=el| σκοινί
|c=lu| σκιν, -α skin, -a
|-
|i=No| 62
|c=en| skin (of a person)
|c=el| δέρμα
|c=lu| δερμ, -α ðerm, -a
|-
|i=No| 63
|c=en| meat (as in flesh)
|c=el| κρέας
|c=lu| κρε, -α kre, -a
|-
|i=No| 64
|c=en| blood
|c=el| αίμα
|c=lu| εμ, -α em, -a
|-
|i=No| 65
|c=en| bone
|c=el| κόκκαλο
|c=lu| κόκαλ, -α kǿkäl, -a
|-
|i=No| 66
|c=en| fat (noun)
|c=el| λίπος
|c=lu| λιπ, -α lip, -a
|-
|i=No| 67
|c=en| egg
|c=el| αυγό
|c=lu| αυγ, -ά avg, -á
|-
|i=No| 68
|c=en| horn
|c=el| κεράτο
|c=lu| κεράτ, -α kerát, -a
|-
|i=No| 69
|c=en| tail
|c=el| ουρά
|c=lu| ουρ, -ά our, -á
|-
|i=No| 70
|c=en| feather
|c=el| πούπουλο
|c=lu| πούπουλ, -α poúpoul, -a
|-
|i=No| 71
|c=en| hair
|c=el| τρίχωμα
|c=lu| τρίχωμ, -α tríhom, -a
|-
|i=No| 72
|c=en| head
|c=el| κεφάλι
|c=lu| κεφάλ, -α kefál, -a
|-
|i=No| 73
|c=en| ear
|c=el| αυτί
|c=lu| αυτ, -ά aft, -á
|-
|i=No| 74
|c=en| eye
|c=el| μάτι
|c=lu| ματ, -α mat, -a
|-
|i=No| 75
|c=en| nose
|c=el| μύτη
|c=lu| μυτ, -α mut, -a
|-
|i=No| 76
|c=en| mouth
|c=el| στόμα
|c=lu| ςτoμ, -α støm, -a
|-
|i=No| 77
|c=en| tooth
|c=el| δόντι
|c=lu| δoντ, -α ðønd, -a
|-
|i=No| 78
|c=en| tongue
|c=el| γλώσσα
|c=lu| γλως, -α glos, -a
|-
|i=No| 79
|c=en| fingernail
|c=el| νύχι
|c=lu| νυχ, -α nux, -a
|-
|i=No| 80
|c=en| foot
|c=el| πατούσα
|c=lu| πατούς, -α pätoús, -a
|-
|i=No| 81
|c=en| leg
|c=el| πόδι
|c=lu| ποδ, -α pøð, -a
|-
|i=No| 82
|c=en| knee
|c=el| γόνατο
|c=lu| γόνατ, -α gǿnät, -a
|-
|i=No| 83
|c=en| hand
|c=el| χέρι
|c=lu| χερ, -α her, -a
|-
|i=No| 84
|c=en| wing
|c=el| φτερό
|c=lu| φτερ, -α fter, -a
|-
|i=No| 85
|c=en| belly
|c=el| κοιλιά
|c=lu| κιλ -ά kil, -á
|-
|i=No| 86
|c=en| guts
|c=el| εντέρα
|c=lu| εντέρ, -α entér, -a
|-
|i=No| 87
|c=en| neck
|c=el| λαιμός
|c=lu| λεμ, -ά lem, -á
|-
|i=No| 88
|c=en| back
|c=el| πλάτη
|c=lu| πλατ, -α plat, -a
|-
|i=No| 89
|c=en| breast
|c=el| στήθος
|c=lu| ςτιθ, -α stiþ, -a
|-
|i=No| 90
|c=en| heart
|c=el| καρδιά
|c=lu| καρδ, -ιά kard, -iá
|-
|i=No| 91
|c=en| liver
|c=el| συκώτι
|c=lu| ςυκώτ, -α sukót, -a
|-
|i=No| 92
|c=en| to drink
|c=el| πίνω
|c=lu| πίνω píno
|-
|i=No| 93
|c=en| to eat
|c=el| τρώω
|c=lu| τρώω tróo
|-
|i=No| 94
|c=en| to bite
|c=el| δαγκώνω
|c=lu| δαγκώνω dägkóno
|-
|i=No| 95
|c=en| to suck
|c=el| ρουφάω
|c=lu| ρουφώ roufó
|-
|i=No| 96
|c=en| to spit
|c=el| φτύνω
|c=lu| φτύνω ftúno
|-
|i=No| 97
|c=en| to vomit
|c=el| ξερνάω
|c=lu| ξερνώ xernó
|-
|i=No| 98
|c=en| to blow
|c=el| φυσώ
|c=lu| φυςώ fusó
|-
|i=No| 99
|c=en| to breathe
|c=el| αναπνέω
|c=lu| αναπνώ änäpnó
|-
|i=No| 100
|c=en| laugh
|c=el| γελάω
|c=lu| γελώ geló
|-
|i=No| 101
|c=en| see
|c=el| βλέπω
|c=lu| βλέπω vlépo
|-
|i=No| 102
|c=en| hear
|c=el| ακούω
|c=lu| ακούω äkoúo
|-
|i=No| 103
|c=en| know (a fact)
|c=el| γνωρίζω
|c=lu| γνωρίζω gnorízo
|-
|i=No| 104
|c=en| think
|c=el| σκέφτομαι
|c=lu| ςκέφτομε skéftøme
|-
|i=No| 105
|c=en| [[smell]] (sense odor)
|c=el| μυρίζω
|c=lu| μυρίζω murízo
|-
|i=No| 106
|c=en| fear
|c=el| φοβάμαι
|c=lu| φοβάμε føváme
|-
|i=No| 107
|c=en| sleep
|c=el| κοιμάμαι
|c=lu| κιμάμε kimáme
|-
|i=No| 108
|c=en| live
|c=el| ζω
|c=lu| ζω zo
|-
|i=No| 109
|c=en| die
|c=el| πεθαίνω
|c=lu| πεθένω peþéno
|-
|i=No| 110
|c=en| kill
|c=el| σκοτώνω
|c=lu| ςκοτώνω skøtóno
|-
|i=No| 111
|c=en| fight
|c=el| τσακώνομαι
|c=lu| τςακώνομε tsäkónøme
|-
|i=No| 112
|c=en| hunt (transitive)
|c=el| κυνηγώ
|c=lu| κυνηγώ kunigó
|-
|i=No| 113
|c=en| hit
|c=el| χτυπώ
|c=lu| χτυπώ htupó
|-
|i=No| 114
|c=en| cut
|c=el| κόβω
|c=lu| κόβω kǿvo
|-
|i=No| 115
|c=en| split
|c=el| σχίζω
|c=lu| ςχίζω shízo
|-
|i=No| 116
|c=en| stab
|c=el| μαχπόβω
|c=lu| μαχπόβω mähpǿvo
|-
|i=No| 117
|c=en| scratch (an itch)
|c=el| ξύνω
|c=lu| ξύνω xúno
|-
|i=No| 118
|c=en| dig
|c=el| σκάβω
|c=lu| ςκάβω skávo
|-
|i=No| 119
|c=en| swim
|c=el|
|c=lu| skøtóno
|-
|i=No| 120
|c=en| fly
|c=el| πετώ
|c=lu| πετώ petó
|-
|i=No| 121
|c=en| walk
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 122
|c=en| come
|c=el| έρχομαι
|c=lu| έρχομε érhome
|-
|i=No| 123
|c=en| lie (as on one's side)
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 124
|c=en| sit
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 125
|c=en| stand
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 126
|c=en| turn
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 127
|c=en| fall
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 128
|c=en| give
|c=el|
|c=lu| västázo
|-
|i=No| 129
|c=en| hold
|c=el| βαστάζω
|c=lu| βαςτάζω västázo
|-
|i=No| 130
|c=en| squeeze
|c=el| σφίνγω
|c=lu| ςφίνγω sfíngo
|-
|i=No| 131
|c=en| rub
|c=el| τρίνω
|c=lu| τρίνω tríno
|-
|i=No| 132
|c=en| wash
|c=el| πλένω
|c=lu| πλένω pléno
|-
|i=No| 133
|c=en| wipe
|c=el| απωμάσω
|c=lu| απωμάςω äpomáso
|-
|i=No| 134
|c=en| pull
|c=el| απωμάσω
|c=lu| απωμάςω äpomáso
|-
|i=No| 135
|c=en| push
|c=el| σπρώχνω
|c=lu| ςπρώχνω spróhno
|-
|i=No| 136
|c=en| throw
|c=el| απόσπω
|c=lu| απόςπω äpǿspo
|-
|i=No| 137
|c=en| tie
|c=el| δένω
|c=lu| δένω déno
|-
|i=No| 138
|c=en| sew
|c=el| ράπτω
|c=lu| ράπτω rápto
|-
|i=No| 139
|c=en| count
|c=el| αριθμώ
|c=lu| αριθμώ ärithmó
|-
|i=No| 140
|c=en| say
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 141
|c=en| sing
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 142
|c=en| play
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 143
|c=en| float
|c=el| πλέω
|c=lu| πλέω pléo
|-
|i=No| 144
|c=en| flow
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 145
|c=en| freeze
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 146
|c=en| swell
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 147
|c=en| sun
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 148
|c=en| moon
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 149
|c=en| star
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 150
|c=en| water
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 151
|c=en| rain
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 152
|c=en| river
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 153
|c=en| lake
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 154
|c=en| sea
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 155
|c=en| salt
|c=el|
|c=lu| al
|-
|i=No| 156
|c=en| stone
|c=el|
|c=lu| liþ
|-
|i=No| 157
|c=en| sand
|c=el|
|c=lu| am
|-
|i=No| 158
|c=en| dust
|c=el|
|c=lu| skøn
|-
|i=No| 159
|c=en| earth (as in soil)
|c=el| χώμα
|c=lu| hom
|-
|i=No| 160
|c=en| cloud
|c=el| σύννεφο
|c=lu| nefél
|-
|i=No| 161
|c=en| fog
|c=el| ομίχλη
|c=lu| omíh
|-
|i=No| 162
|c=en| sky
|c=el| ουρανός
|c=lu| urán
|-
|i=No| 163
|c=en| wind]] (as in breeze)
|c=el| αέρας
|c=lu| ánem
|-
|i=No| 164
|c=en| snow
|c=el| χιόνι
|c=lu| hión
|-
|i=No| 165
|c=en| ice
|c=el| πάγος
|c=lu| pag
|-
|i=No| 166
|c=en| smoke
|c=el| καπνός
|c=lu| áhnø
|-
|i=No| 167
|c=en| fire
|c=el| φωτιά
|c=lu| fotí
|-
|i=No| 168
|c=en| ashes
|c=el|
|c=lu| tefr
|-
|i=No| 169
|c=en| burn
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 170
|c=en| road
|c=el| δρόμος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 171
|c=en| mountain
|c=el| βουνό
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 172
|c=en| red
|c=el| κόκκινος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 173
|c=en| green
|c=el| πράσινος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 174
|c=en| yellow
|c=el| κίτρινος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 175
|c=en| white
|c=el| άσπρος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 176
|c=en| black
|c=el| μαύρος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 177
|c=en| night
|c=el| νύχτα
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 178
|c=en| day
|c=el| ημέρα
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 179
|c=en| year
|c=el| έτος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 180
|c=en| warm
|c=el| θερμός
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 181
|c=en| cold
|c=el| κρύο
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 182
|c=en| full
|c=el| πλήρης
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 183
|c=en| new
|c=el| νέος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 184
|c=en| old
|c=el| παλαιός
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 185
|c=en| good
|c=el| καλός
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 186
|c=en| bad
|c=el| κακός
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 187
|c=en| rotten
|c=el| σάπιος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 188
|c=en| dirty
|c=el| βρώμικος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 189
|c=en| straight
|c=el| ίσια
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 190
|c=en| round
|c=el| κύκλος
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 191
|c=en| sharp
|c=el| αιχμηρός
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 192
|c=en| dull
|c=el| εξασθενίστε
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 193
|c=en| smooth
|c=el| ομαλός
|c=lu| malák
|-
|i=No| 194
|c=en| wet
|c=el| υγρός
|c=lu| ügr
|-
|i=No| 195
|c=en| dry
|c=el| ξεράνετε
|c=lu| xer
|-
|i=No| 196
|c=en| right (correct)
|c=el| διορθώστε
|c=lu| ðik
|-
|i=No| 197
|c=en| near
|c=el| κοντά
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 198
|c=en| far
|c=el| μακριά
|c=lu| mak
|-
|i=No| 199
|c=en| right (side)
|c=el| δεξιός
|c=lu| ðex
|-
|i=No| 200
|c=en| left
|c=el| αριστερός
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 201
|c=en| at
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 202
|c=en| in
|c=el|
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 203
|c=en| with (accompanying)
|c=el| με
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 204
|c=en| and
|c=el| και
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 205
|c=en| if
|c=el| εάν
|c=lu| an
|-
|i=No| 206
|c=en| because
|c=el| επειδή
|c=lu|
|-
|i=No| 207
|c=en| name
|c=el| όνομα
|c=lu| ónom
|}

Talk:Athonite Swadesh List

2009-02-10T18:52:04Z

Eldin raigmore: Asked "What indicates words of Turkish origin"?

What indicates words of Turkish origin?
[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 18:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Sounds of Old Adpihi

2008-12-30T16:37:21Z

Eldin raigmore: Added signature.

= Change vowel system? =

I am thinking of having six vowels instead of five.

I am thinking of having close and open-mid front unrounded and back rounded vowels, and close-mid and open central vowels.

So, the vowels would be:

close: {{IPA|[i]}}, {{IPA|[u]}};

close-mid: {{IPA|[ɘ]}};

open-mid: {{IPA|[ɛ]}}, {{IPA|[ɔ]}};

open: {{IPA|[ɐ̞]}}={{IPA|[ä]}}={{IPA|[ɑ̈]}}.

Same vowels, different order:

front unrounded: {{IPA|[i]}}, {{IPA|[ɛ]}};

central unrounded: {{IPA|[ɘ]}}, {{IPA|[ɐ̞]}}={{IPA|[ä]}}={{IPA|[ɑ̈]}};

back rounded: {{IPA|[u]}}, {{IPA|[ɔ]}}.

--[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 16:37, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Sounds of Reptigan

2008-12-30T16:36:16Z

Eldin raigmore: Added signature.

= Change vowel system? =
I am thinking of having just 9 vowels instead of 36.

I think that would be more realistic.

I am thinking of using a vowel system like Somali's.

I am thinking of having close, close-mid, and open-mid front unrounded and back rounded vowels, and close, mid, and open central unrounded vowels.

Thus the vowels would be:

close: {{IPA|[i]}}, {{IPA|[ɨ]}}, {{IPA|[u]}};

close-mid: {{IPA|[e]}}, {{IPA|[o]}};

mid: {{IPA|[ə]}};

open-mid: {{IPA|[ɛ]}}, {{IPA|[ɔ]}};

open: {{IPA|[ä]}}={{IPA|[ɐ̞]}}={{IPA|[ɑ̈]}}.

Same vowels, different order:

front unrounded: {{IPA|[i]}}, {{IPA|[e]}}, {{IPA|[ɛ]}};

central unrounded: {{IPA|[ɨ]}}, {{IPA|[ə]}}, {{IPA|[ä]}}={{IPA|[ɑ̈]}}={{IPA|[ɐ̞]}};

back rounded: {{IPA|[u]}}, {{IPA|[o]}}, {{IPA|[ɔ]}}.

[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 16:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Sounds of Reptigan

2008-12-30T16:15:20Z

Eldin raigmore: Corrected mid-central vowel symbol.

Talk:Sounds of Old Adpihi

2008-12-30T16:11:31Z

Eldin raigmore: Change vowel system?

Talk:Sounds of Reptigan

2008-12-30T16:00:37Z

Eldin raigmore: Change vowel system?

= Change vowel system? =
I am thinking of having just 9 vowels instead of 36.

I think that would be more realistic.

I am thinking of using a vowel system like Somali's.

I am thinking of having close, close-mid, and open-mid front unrounded and back rounded vowels, and close, mid, and open central unrounded vowels.

Thus the vowels would be:

close: {{IPA|[i]}} {{IPA|[ɨ]}} {{IPA|[u]}}

close-mid: {{IPA|[e]}} {{IPA|[o]}}

mid: {{IPA|[ɘ]}}

open-mid: {{IPA|[ɛ]}} {{IPA|[ɔ]}}

open: {{IPA|[ä]}} = {{IPA|[ɐ̞]}} = {{IPA|[ɑ̈]}}

Same vowels, different order:

front unrounded: {{IPA|[i]}} {{IPA|[e]}} {{IPA|[ɛ]}}

central unrounded: {{IPA|[ɨ]}} {{IPA|[ɘ]}} {{IPA|[ä]}}={{IPA|[ɑ̈]}}={{IPA|[ɐ̞]}}

back rounded: {{IPA|[u]}} {{IPA|[o]}} {{IPA|[ɔ]}}

FrathWiki talk:Logo

2008-09-12T16:47:16Z

Eldin raigmore:

In theory I like the pyramid better, but there are a few issues I can think of. Well, mostly the gold glo; the exposed part could use more wall thickness and/or shading (especially the exposed internal wall), as it currently looks a little too much like a parallelogram floating over the pyramid rather than a cavity. I get the WP connection, but I can't help thinking if a doorway would be easier to represent than a missing wall section. Ultimately some more detail inside might help too, I can't even tell if it's supposed to be a floor or a generic cavity.

As for the "large favicon" — no technical gripes, but I think it looks a bit too symbolic considering it doesn't seem to have any particular conlang connection.

Still, I think both have the eye beat. --[[User:Tropylium|John Vertical]] 18:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:I'll create a new version of my logo to implement some of these ideas. Whichever logo wins, do you think 'FrathWiki' looks better in a seif or sans-serif font? I prefer the latter. I think it's sleek and modern.--[[User:Pisceesumsprecan|Pisceesumsprecan]] 19:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

It's a Wiki about constructed languages. Someone should make one that's like a construction site, building letters or words.....--[[User:Blackkdark|Blackkdark]] 19:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:Good idea. Why don't you have a go at creating one? Even if you're not good with graphics software, you could do a rough version to demonstrate your idea for other people to build on it.--[[User:Pisceesumsprecan|Pisceesumsprecan]] 20:04, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

::Lol, tempting, but I won't know where to start, and I don't have any graphics software that I can think of 'tall. I'll see, but I think someone with the skill to do it should design it. I'm thinking construction site with Letters and Words! Best ones being Frathwiki being the site--[[User:Blackkdark|Blackkdark]] 22:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC).

:My preference is with the pyramid. More recognizable a conlang symbol across the web. --[[User:Qang|Qang]]

I like "Anderson's Variant".
[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 16:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Vampiric

2008-09-12T16:06:06Z

Eldin raigmore: Corrected location of uploaded files.

Dr. Helen Charters
< http://www.arts.auckland.ac.nz/staff/index.cfm?S=STAFF_acha094 >
is a Senior Tutor in Applied Language Studies & Linguistics on the Faculty of Arts at the University of Auckland in New Zealand.

She created the conlang "Vampiric" for use in the movie versions of the "30 Days of Night" comix and their sequels.

The conlang is copyrighted by her (the actual lines spoken belong to the movies' scriptwriters, producers, and studio).

She has used this conlang as a source for exercises etc. in her classes.

She sent me three files back on August 9th but asked me not to share them with anyone before September 8th.

I have uploaded them to the File section of the Frathwiki Yahoo group.
< http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/frathwiki/files/Vampiric%2C%20a%20conlang/ >

Vampiric

2008-09-12T16:02:04Z

Eldin raigmore: Created page.

User:Eldin raigmore

2008-09-12T16:00:30Z

Eldin raigmore: Added link to Dr. Helen Charters's professional artlang "Vampiric", used in the "30 Days of Night" movies.

{| border=1 align=right cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=300 style="margin: 0 0 1em 1em; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaaaaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 95%;"
|+<big>'''eldin raigmore'''</big>
|-
|colspan="2" valign=top| HERE IS PLACE FOR A PICTURE, MAYBE A PICTURE OF ME! :) 
[[Image:Conflag_med.png]]
|-
|valign=top|'''Birth:'''
|| 1952 C.E.; City of Texarkana, Miller County, State of Arkansas, United States of America
|-
|valign=top|'''Profession:'''
|| MY PROFESSION
|-
|valign=top|'''Natural languages that I write:'''
|| U.S.American English
|-
|valign=top|'''Natural languages that I read well:'''
|| English
|-
|valign=top|'''Natural languages that I speak well:'''
||
Southron U.S.American English, Trans-Mississippi Confederacy regional dialect;

Southron U.S.American English, Western Confederacy regional dialect;

Southron U.S.American English, white ethnic dialect;

Southron U.S.American English, black ethnic dialect.
|-
|valign=top|'''Natural languages that I (questionably) understand:'''
||
non-Southron U.S.American English;

non-black, non-white dialects of U.S.American English;

non-U.S.American English;

French;

German.
|-
|valign=top|'''Natural languages that I read sort-of well:'''
||
French;

German.
|-
|valign=top|'''Other natural languages I know a bit of:'''
||
Hindi;

Mandarin;

Russian;

Spanish;

Tamil.
|-
|valign=top|'''Created conlangs:'''
||
A handful or two of unnamed sketchlangs;

A not-yet-completed interstellar-multispecies conlang provisionally named [[Reptigan]];

A not-yet-completed ancient-medieval conlang provisionally named [[Adpihi]];

An unnamed, contemplated possible diachronic link from [[Adpihi]] to [[Reptigan]].
|-
|valign=top|'''Other conlangs:'''
|| CONLANGS THAT I KNOW/USE/AM INERESTED IN THAT OTHERS HAVE CREATED
|-
|valign=top|'''Interests:'''
|| MY INTERESTS
|-
|valign=top|'''More information:'''
|| MORE INFORMATION
|}

I am trying to make this cohesive. ("Coherent" will do, I suppose, if "cohesive" is out of my reach.)

-----

I) Source of Pseudonym.

The name "eldin raigmore" is a pseudonym. That's why I don't capitalize it.

I borrowed it without asking from the novel (it's the hero's name) "World Out of Mind" by the Scottish S.F. writer J.T. McIntosh, whose middle initial might be I or L instead of T, and whose last name might be M'Intosh instead of McIntosh.

{{seealso|see=[[http://www.booksandwriters.co.uk/website/page.asp?pagetext=writer&method=display&id=27697&bookmark=1&recordcount=1]]}}

I would have asked, but I couldn't find out either the author's name nor the title of the novel until after I had already begun using it. Now it's easier to just keep using it unless and until somebody tells me I've violated someone's right to the name. If I have done so, I apologize, and will cease immediately; but I'm hoping and guessing it's O.K.

-----

II) My personal linguistic history.

I was born 1952 C.E. in City of Texarkana, Miller County, State of Arkansas, United States of America. I was raised until about age 21 mostly in City of Texarkana, Bowie County, State of Texas, United States of America. The East Texas version of American English is my L1 and various American Englishes are the only language everyone agrees I'm fluent in.

In 1959 my parents decided to become missionaries. The (American) Methodist Board of Global Missions decided to send my father (then the only pathologist/coroner/medical examiner for the "Four States Area" -- the parts of Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma that are nearest each other) -- to teach at the Christian Medical College and Hospital in City of Vellore, State of Tamil Nadu (then known as State of Madras), India.

My parents went to Scarrett College in Nashville Tennesse to learn Urdu and Hindi. While we were there, we four children -- my older sister, me, my brother (younger than me), and our sister (the "baby" of the family) -- were all taught in experimental classes at teachers' colleges. I was taught Spanish, so I guess Spanish is my first L2. (My father could actually speak Spanish, including quoting poems; and my wife speaks Spanish well enough to be the one called to the phone by the medical-supply firms and law firms she works for. Me, I don't speak it so well.)

We traveled to India, originally for a 2-year contract; but while there we extended it to a five-year contract. However, after just 19 months, we had to come home, because both of my parents had to be hospitalized.

In India I attended two English-speaking schools. The one I attended most was Vidhyalayam, in the village of Bhagyam, a suburb of Vellore. All of the children in the Medical Compound (where foreign doctors, foreign hospital staff, foreign medical-college faculty, etc., lived) attended that school; and Indian families who worked at the College or Hospital and had an English-speaking child could send their children there, too.

Almost all of our teachers were Indian ladies. All but the Principal were Christians.

Not many people there were Americans, and only we were Southrons.

My sister was asked to spell "Puzzle" by her Indian teacher and spelled it "Pea you zee zee ell ee". She was shocked and disconcerted to hear her teacher tell her that was "wrong". Her British classmates came to her defense; "No, Miss! American children say 'zee' instead of 'zed'!".

So, in addition to learning about Seventh Day Adventists going to church on Saturday and not eating meat, and Australian doctors having trouble talking to Indian policemen [Dr.:"B-A-S-E." Cop:"B-I-S-E." Dr.:"No, 'A'! 'A', the first letter of the alphabet!" Cop:"But,.. 'I' isn't the first letter of the alphabet?!?"], and learning to spell "chapel" as "sea hech yay pea yee yell", I was taught Hindi and Tamil.

So Tamil and Hindi are my second and third L2s. We were in a Tamil-speaking area so I picked up a lot of Tamil vocabulary and can still read and pronounce some Tamil script and understand some Tamil words. Most of it has faded, however. I was not at an age where I was worried about grammar at all, so I doubt I learned any Tamil grammar.

Nobody spoke Hindi where we lived. Most people would fall back on English whenever Tamil didn't work; most of the rest would do the reverse, falling back on Tamil whenever English didn't work. So my Hindi education was no better than my Spanish education.

My parents, however, both learned Tamil quite well.

After 19 months, everyone in the family had at least one illness (my brother had two). Most of these were perfectly treatable in India (except my father's lung infection). Most of them could be contracted in America (especially including my father's lung infection). None of the children needed to be hospitalized; but, since both of the parents did, and my father had to return to America, it was thought we should all return to Texas.

In High School, Junior College, and College I took French. I got good enough at it to make my way around in Turkey among people who had no other language in common with me. So I guess French is my fourth L2. My father could actually speak French.

In Graduate School I took Scientific and Technical Reading German and S&TR Russian.

I translated a paper by Felix W. Hausdorf for my German teacher. The hard part was, when I translated "unabzahlbar" as "uncountable" or "nondenumerable", he still didn't know what it meant.

In situations where I try to speak German among many people who speak it much better than I, I get told "eldin, you don't speak German!" But, if I claim not to speak it, and then meet a Polish lady who speaks German but not English, and translate between her and the rest of the group, I get asked, "eldin, why didn't you tell us you can speak German?" Maybe that will give you an idea how good/bad my German is; I can't pass for either a German-speaker or a non-German-speaker.

As for Russian, I can pronounce and understand a few Cyrillic words. I guess my Tamil's probably a tad better than my Russian.

So my fifth and sixth L2s are German and Russian.

I made friends with another graduate student who was born in Taiwan and married an American man. They made me their daughter's god-father. They brought the baby's mother's parents from Taiwan to live with them. The grandfather spoke English, but the grandmother spoke only Chinese.

Another graduate student -- a Japanese-born American with a Finnish surname -- was trying to teach me to read Spaceship Yamamoto, while my god-daughter, my compadre, my commadre, and the rest of that family, were teaching me Chinese. Maybe I have a little Chinese as a seventh L2.

I'm not sure I should really claim all seven of these as L2s. I have had conversations only in English, French, and German (I suspect my French is as good/bad as my German -- I can't convince people I speak it, and I can't convince them I don't). I have read an occasional sign in Spanish, Tamil, Russian, Turkish, and Chinese -- quite unreliably in some cases. I mean, even in French --- drive around Quebec and you see these big arrows pointing down the street with the word "DIRECTION" written on them. What are you supposed to think? "Yeah, that's a direction, all right. --- so, what?"

-----

{{Babel-X|en|de-1|fr-1}}

[[Adpihi]]

[[Reptigan]]

[[Vampiric]]

Body Parts in Your Conlangs

2008-05-22T23:51:02Z

Eldin raigmore: /* Questionnaire/Template */ (formatted as an outline)

== Questionnaire/Template ==
Author: TomHChappell
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:16 am

How many, and who, among us have more-or-less completish vocabularies for body parts in some of our conlangs? And which conlangs?

Here's my attempt at an outline. If you find it incomplete, add stuff; if you find a different order would be better, re-arrange it; and if you find it makes "different" things your conlang would make "same", edit it.

Body
#Blood vessel
##Artery
##Vein
#Material of which it is composed
##Bone
##Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
##Skin
##Muscle
##Fat
##Blood
#Trunk (torso)
##Chest
###Heart
###Lung
##Abdomen or Belly
###Stomach
###Liver
###Spleen
###Intestines
##Waist
#Neck
#Extremity
##Head
###Hair
###Ear
####Earhole
####Earlobe?
###Eye
####Eyeball
#####Iris
#####Pupil
#####Sclera
####Eyebrow
####Eyelid
#####Eyelash
####Eye socket
####Tear gland
###Nose
####Nostril
###Mouth
####Jaw
#####Maxilla (upper jaw)
#####Mandible (lower jaw)
####Tooth
#####Incisor
#####Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
#####Molar (and/or premolar?)
####Tongue
##Limb
###Arm
####Shoulder
####Elbow
####Wrist
####Humerus (upper arm)
####Lower Arm
####Hand
#####Palm
###Leg
####Hip
#####buttock (if different)
####Knee
####Ankle
####Thigh (upper leg)
####Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle)
#####Shin
#####Calf
####Foot
#####Sole
#####Heel
#####Ball
##Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
###Nail
####Fingernail
####Toenail
###Toe
####Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
####Pinky toe or little toe
####Other individual toes?
###Thumb
####Thumbnail
###Finger
####Index finger
####Pinky finger
####Middle finger
####Ring finger
##My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
###female
####vagina
####womb
###male
####penis
####testicle
#Side
##Back
##Front
##Left
##Right
##Bottom (lower)
##Top (upper)
#Orifices
##anus
##urethral meatus?
##vagina was covered under "genitalia".
##mouth and nose and ear were covered under "head". So was "eye", but your conlang might not consider that an orifice.

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Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)
----

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

----
Tom H.C. in MI
Last edited by TomHChappell on Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:58 am; edited 4 times in total
--[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 23:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

== Things included and things omitted on purpose, with reasons ==
Author: TomHChappell
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:41 pm

cromulant wrote:
Your forgot the Isles of Langerhans.

----

I tried to leave out most things that were microscopic (like the Islets), and most things that were not visible on the surface (like the Islets).

(I also left out the Organ of Zuckerkandl, which resides in the arch of the aorta. Nobody seems to know what it's for.)

(And I left out the voicebox or larynx, and other parts of the speech system. Perhaps I should have included some of them. Others are welcome to, if they feel it would be good to do so.)

Bones and blood and stomachs-and-or-intestines and hearts and wombs, however, seemed like I should include them.

Blood is often visible on the surface, after a minor injury.

If bone is visible on the surface, a major injury has occurred; but one can detect the bone from the outside by touch.

Hearts move and make a sound detectable from the outside.

The same is true of the stomach-and-or-intestines; furthermore the owner of the stomach can often tell when it's empty, or when it wants to operate in reverse (the name of that sensation is "nausea").

Wombs have visible results; and their owners know what's going on in them. (Actually, I've been kicked awake by an unborn baby whose mother slept through the kick!)

As for livers and spleens and sweetbreads and so on: They are often referred to in old-fashioned conversations preceding the advent of modern medicine; I assume that the practice of butchery, together with those of surgery and veterinary and medicine, familiarized people with some of them. In some Native North American languages, for instance, an automobile's battery is referred to as its "liver".

It would be reasonable for some conlangs not to have all of these, and for others to have body-part terms in addition to these.

--[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 23:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

== (lost post, including name of conlang) ==
Author: cromulant
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:29 am

My word for arm is khaib.
I'll get back to you on all the others.

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== Pabappa ==
Author: Soap
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:56 am

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
-Blood vessel tamapop
--Artery tamap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pansa
--Skin perebi
--Muscle soppi
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
--Blood tapema
-Trunk (torso) sumpobi
--Chest pammum
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
---Stomach pemarapupi
---Liver pabapi
---Spleen barrampi
---Intestines wampupi
--Waist pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Hair wesum
---Ear uma, sobopi
----Earhole umabosadepi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Iris pispadapi
-----Pupil pispaliapi
-----Sclera no word yet
----Eyebrow pisamblesum
----Eyelid osinipi
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
----Eye socket opposadepi
----Tear gland liblapampi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Nostril taposadepi
---Mouth popopi
----Jaw poposopi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Tongue blampi
--Limb pemia
---Arm pemia
----Shoulder maba
----Elbow pemiabimbra
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
---Leg pampipi
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Knee pimbra
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
----Shin no word yet
----Foot aspi
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
---Nail ebbi
----Fingernail ebbi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
----Thumbnail arpebbi
---Finger sempi
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Side popapitabi
--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--Front jubipi
--Left blumperbap
--Right porpubat
--Bottom (lower) purpa
--Top (upper) pimpampi
-Orifices
--anus parpab
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More:
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
clitoris: pubi
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Soap
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THC wrote:
What's the name of your conlang?
Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Quote:
Why more than one word?
The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually. Is this all going to a database somewhere or are you just curious?

cromulant wrote:
Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?
Yes. Pabappa started as a jokelang three years ago, but I got too attached to it to let it remain as such.

== I think Kuvdamos and Soap are the same person? ==
Author: Kuvdamos

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
-Blood vessel tamapop
--Artery tamap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pansa
--Skin perebi
--Muscle soppi
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
--Blood tapema
-Trunk (torso) sumpobi
--Chest pammum
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
---Stomach pemarapupi
---Liver pabapi
---Spleen barrampi
---Intestines wampupi
--Waist pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Hair wesum
---Ear uma, sobopi
----Earhole umabosadepi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Iris pispadapi
-----Pupil pispaliapi
-----Sclera no word yet
----Eyebrow pisamblesum
----Eyelid osinipi
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
----Eye socket opposadepi
----Tear gland liblapampi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Nostril taposadepi
---Mouth popopi
----Jaw poposopi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Tongue blampi
--Limb pemia
---Arm pemia
----Shoulder maba
----Elbow pemiabimbra
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
---Leg pampipi
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Knee pimbra
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
----Shin no word yet
----Foot aspi
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
---Nail ebbi
----Fingernail ebbi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
----Thumbnail arpebbi
---Finger sempi
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Side popapitabi
--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--Front jubipi
--Left blumperbap
--Right porpubat
--Bottom (lower) purpa
--Top (upper) pimpampi
-Orifices
--anus parpab
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More:
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
clitoris: pubi
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Thanks.
What's the name of your conlang?

Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Ear uma, sobopi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Why more than one word?
In some cases, viz.
Kuvdamos wrote:

--Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem

it looks like you need a phrase to distinguish from some other body-part;
but in some cases, viz.
Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Ear uma, sobopi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

it looks like you have more than one term which are interpretable by the same "English" term.
In the latter cases, is that because your conlang makes a distinction "English" doesn't (actually, that I didn't?)
Or do you have two different synonyms? In which case when is it appropriate to use the one, and when the other?

Kuvdamos wrote:

-----Sclera no word yet
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Shin no word yet
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet

Fine. Not all languages have words for these. Yours may end up needing phrases for some of these.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----testicle lespapi (plural only)

Fine. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

OK. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Eyebrow pisamblesum
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)

That's fine, probably.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?

Yes!
I have edited it.
Do you have a word for "thigh" in your conlang?

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Tom H.C. in MI
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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== Drem ==
Author: doctrellor
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:34 pm

I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail

like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on

so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem

I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..
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Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?

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Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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doctrellor wrote:

TomHChappell wrote:

Does your conlang ... use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail
like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on
so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem
I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

Thanks. I look forward to it.
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== Zevino'shoma ==
Author: Goza Lesha
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:26 pm

(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.

These are the ones I have words for:

Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

== Muphridian ==
Author: Goza Lesha
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:26 pm

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:

Body Body
-Blood vessel Bleed Vessel
--Artery Artery
--Vein Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Bone
--Skin Skin
--Muscle Muscle
--Fat Fat
--Blood Bleed
-Trunk (torso) Torso
--Chest Chest
---Heart Heart
---Lung Lung
--Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly
---Stomach Stomach
---Liver Liver
---Spleen Sploon
---Intestines Intestines
--Waist Waist
-Neck Neck
-Extremity Extremity
--Head Hed
---Hair Hair
---Ear Ear
----Earhole Ear Canal
---Eye Eye
----Eyeball Eyeball
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupil
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Eyebrow
----Eyelid Eyelid
-----Eyelash Eyelash
----Eye socket Eye socket
----Tear gland Tear Gland
---Nose Nose
----Nostril Nostril
---Mouth Mouth
----Jaw Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw
----Tooth Tooth
-----Incisor Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar
----Tongue Tongue
--Limb Limb
---Arm Arm
----Shoulder Shoulder
----Elbow Elbow
----Wrist Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm
----Lower Arm Lower Arm
----Hand Hand
-----Palm Palm
---Leg Leg
----Hip Hip
----Knee Knoo
----Ankle Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg
----Shin Shin
----Foot Foot
-----Sole Sole
-----Ball Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit
---Nail Nail
----Fingernail Fingernail
----Toenail Toenail
---Toe Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe
----Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe
----Other toes? Toes
---Thumb Thumb
----Thumbnail Thumbnail
---Finger Finger
----Index finger Index Finger
----Pinky finger Pinky Finger
----Middle finger Middle Finger
----Ring finger Ring Finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals
---female Female
----vagina Vagina
----womb Womb
---male Male
----penis Penis
----testicle Testicle
-Side Side
--Back Back
--Front Front
--Left Left
--Right Right
--Bottom (lower) Bottom
--Top (upper) Top
-Orifices Orifices
--anus Anus
--urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

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Sploon! Fabulous! (But shouldn't it be weemb?)
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== (don't know name of scwhatever's conlang) ==
Author: schwhatever
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:15 pm

Wow, I've got almost nothing....

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis)
eye - simah
eyes - soemaef
lip - zilh
muscle - hacaz (also means meat)
fat - jeikosc
throat - vezop
genitalia - vuseis
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Goza Lesha wrote:

(For Zevino'shoma)
This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.
These are the ones I have words for:
Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

Great! Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote:

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:
Body Body
-Blood vessel Bleed Vessel
--Artery Artery
--Vein Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Bone
--Skin Skin
--Muscle Muscle
--Fat Fat
--Blood Bleed
-Trunk (torso) Torso
--Chest Chest
---Heart Heart
---Lung Lung
--Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly
---Stomach Stomach
---Liver Liver
---Spleen Sploon
---Intestines Intestines
--Waist Waist
-Neck Neck
-Extremity Extremity
--Head Hed
---Hair Hair
---Ear Ear
----Earhole Ear Canal
---Eye Eye
----Eyeball Eyeball
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupil
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Eyebrow
----Eyelid Eyelid
-----Eyelash Eyelash
----Eye socket Eye socket
----Tear gland Tear Gland
---Nose Nose
----Nostril Nostril
---Mouth Mouth
----Jaw Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw
----Tooth Tooth
-----Incisor Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar
----Tongue Tongue
--Limb Limb
---Arm Arm
----Shoulder Shoulder
----Elbow Elbow
----Wrist Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm
----Lower Arm Lower Arm
----Hand Hand
-----Palm Palm
---Leg Leg
----Hip Hip
----Knee Knoo
----Ankle Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg
----Shin Shin
----Foot Foot
-----Sole Sole
-----Ball Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit
---Nail Nail
----Fingernail Fingernail
----Toenail Toenail
---Toe Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe
----Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe
----Other toes? Toes
---Thumb Thumb
----Thumbnail Thumbnail
---Finger Finger
----Index finger Index Finger
----Pinky finger Pinky Finger
----Middle finger Middle Finger
----Ring finger Ring Finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals
---female Female
----vagina Vagina
----womb Womb
---male Male
----penis Penis
----testicle Testicle
-Side Side
--Back Back
--Front Front
--Left Left
--Right Right
--Bottom (lower) Bottom
--Top (upper) Top
-Orifices Orifices
--anus Anus
--urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

Weird! Thanks. I look forward to seeing what the diachronic relationship to English is.

schwhatever wrote:

Wow, I've got almost nothing....

I've got you beat; I've got exactly nothing!

schwhatever wrote:

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis)
eye - simah
eyes - soemaef
lip - zilh
muscle - hacaz (also means meat)
fat - jeikosc
throat - vezop
genitalia - vuseis

What's the name of your conlang?

schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah
eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it?
I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

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== Mèlw ==
Author: Radagast
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:30 am

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Radagast wrote:

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

That's the kind of thing I wanted to know about.
What's the answer for Mèlw?

Radagast wrote:

Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes

Thanks.

Radagast wrote:

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

Interesting!
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Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.
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== Vernaclerian ==
Author: Delalyra
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:23 pm

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."
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Terran humans for this: (Muphridian language)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Brain

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== Palhàwan ==
Author: Raluv
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:56 pm

I have a few in Palhàwan:

body - ë̀yro
head - ë̀yròi
hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar
mouth - lhàma
nose - tìa
eye - àsþol
ear - fazs
tooth - b̀àma
tongue )- dàðel
neck - wonh
arm - telumàrel
hand - telùmar
knee - wòxin
leg - wòxel
foot - woxh
heart - selùmel
skin -nìam
blood -mìrim

Seat of Life:
Head

Seat of Emotion:
Heart

Seat of Consciousness:
Head

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:28 am Post subject:

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Radagast wrote:

Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

THC wrote:

What's the name of your conlang?

Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Quote:

Why more than one word?

The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

Kind of what I thought. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually.

Let us know? Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Is this all going to a database somewhere

I wish!

Kuvdamos wrote:

or are you just curious?

'Fraid so.
My own computer has no internet connection; "my" internet connection is not on my own computer. It takes more technical skill than I have been able to acquire as yet to put all this in a database someplace. But, if Janko can do it, I should be able to as well, shouldn't I? I just don't know how.

Delalyra wrote:

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

Interesting; thanks.
(I have been told -- I don't know whether it's true -- that in "modern western" societies, men tend to see certain parts of their bodies as the "center of their sexual attractiveness", whereas women OTOH see each and every part of their bodies as the "center(?) of their sexual attractiveness". Your Vernaclerians' thinking that each part of their body is the "seat of life" sounds a little like the latter. But do they feel that way about hair and nails? And excretions such as sweat and saliva and earwax?)

Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this:
(Muphridian language)
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

Raluv wrote:

I have a few in Palhàwan:
body - ë̀yro
head - ë̀yròi
hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar
mouth - lhàma
nose - tìa
eye - àsþol
ear - fazs
tooth - b̀àma
tongue )- dàðel
neck - wonh
arm - telumàrel
hand - telùmar
knee - wòxin
leg - wòxel
foot - woxh
heart - selùmel
skin -nìam
blood -mìrim

Seat of Life: Head
Seat of Emotion: Heart
Seat of Consciousness: Head

Thanks.
"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they?
"wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they?
Are there other relationships I've missed?
Thanks again.

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== Socialese ==
Author: Eddy
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:44 am

Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

== (Don't know name of Daryush's conlang, and can't copy post contents.) ==
Author: daryush
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:08 pm

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Here u go

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== (don't know name of Oric's conlang) ==
Author: Oric
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:48 pm

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TomHChappell wrote:
...I...have ...penis

By the way, what city are you from? SE is nowhere close to where I visit- I go to West Branch (the smiley-face city) annually.
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== Gevey ==
Author: Rik
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:55 pm

Gevey does better than I expected on body parts - lots of words/concepts still missing, though. Most of these words have been generated to meet various translation exercise requirements:

Simple animate status body parts:
aelne (aeln) ear
bazhjarhe (bazhjarh) thumb
bazhve (bazhev) finger
becye (beceey) skin
khuane (khuant) womb
me'he (met) throat
shaawe (shaawg) hand
shkipe (shkip) heart
shlune (shlum) nose, snout
slofre (slofehr) head
wanhe (wang) eye
woole (wool) face, visage
yeetse (yeetes) tongue
zwi'he (zwit) blood

Inanimate status body parts:
cesuu (cesk) body, torso
drestuu (drest) forehead
ezekuu (ezek) foot, paw
friskuu (frisk) guts, intestines
ghimuu (ghim) muscle
grupuu (grup) hair, fur, wool
joejuu (joej) leg
koguu (kog) bone
osucuu (osuc) stomach, belly
poyuu (poy) chin
raekhwuu (raekhouwg) shoulder
rhuuluu (rhuul) tooth
shewuu (shewg) back, saddle
shnaathuu (shnaath) placenta
storuu (stor) chest
ubulhuu (ubul) neck
vroiduu (vroid) arm
zdanuu (zdant) skull

Body products (all inanimate status):
thakluu becyizhuu (yuu becyizhuu thakel) spot, zit
ma'haelhuu (ma'hael) urine, piss
ma'haelhuu zdanizhuu (yuu zdanizhuu ma'hael) phlegm
mabecyuu (mabeceey) sweat
zwibecyuu (zwibeceey) scab

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Delalyra
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daryush wrote:
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Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject:

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daryush wrote:
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That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

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Delalyra wrote:

daryush wrote:

amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.

Whimemsz wrote:

daryush wrote:

Here u go

That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?

What they said. Amazing, Turkish-oid, all of it.

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It was originally an auxlang for Turkish before I decided to build a conworld around it ... so yeah, its absurdly heavily influenced (there is quite a bit of con- in it, though )

Thanks for the comments btw
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this:
(Muphridian language)
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

I don't have much of the history of the Muphridian language (or the Muphridians), but there is a general overview there of the history, and the language here: http://scjuwiki.azivelar.net/wiki/Muphridian_Language. (under construction)

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
What's the name of your conlang?

Faranit. Although there is a little ambiguity.

TomHChappell wrote:
schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah
eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

It's left over from an older plural system similar to German's lengthening system. I haven't worked out the specifics yet, unfortunately. It irregular, but with some method to its madness, as you can see the remnents of the earlier plural system, but also a worn down version of the later -(I/E)b system.

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schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it?
I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

Maybe? It was buried in my lexicon and I thought I might as well...

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schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

No, it's the same.

Quote:
schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

Thanks.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:41 pm Post subject:

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Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject:

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MustangDan15 wrote:
Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.
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Thanks, Sano.

Sano wrote:

MustangDan15 wrote:
Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.

Qatama: English:

anaq head
anuq ear(s)
ongo eye(s)
okota heart
toru back
taruya hip/waist
tara belly/stomach
utar chest/breast
nogra feet/toes
anuja leg
udan hand/arm
qongo joint
gan bone
gua mouth/face
ogua facial hair
uha skin
udanju fingers/knuckles
dong nose
g'tla shoulder
qono muscle
anaqra neck
guata teeth
guaja tongue
unuq hair

-Khang

1) Did I do that right?

2) Why did you quote yourself?
2a) Apparently you had already answered this question in some other post. Where? and what post?

3) The word "nogra feet/toes" reminds me a bit of Russian; but the rest of the list doesn't remind me of any language in particular. Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Again, Thanks.
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Quote:
Did I do that right?

Better than I did.

Quote:
Why did you quote yourself?, Where?

ease, CBB

Quote:
Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Not at all.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

1) the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

2)The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

3) The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.

The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.

The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:
* A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
* An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
* Direction.

This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.

The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.

When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.

Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.

I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

[Edit]Dumb grammar.
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Raluv
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject:

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Quote:

"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they?
"wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they?
Are there other relationships I've missed?

The suffix "-el" means something like "the source of." So "telùmar" is hand, and "telumàrel" is literally "hand source", or the arm. With "woxh," which is foot, the h is silent and then dropped when the suffix is added making "wòxel," or leg. "Wòxin" is foot with the suffix for what equates to "middle." There are a few more like "ë̀ro" and "ë̀roi" for body and head. "ërotelùmar," meaning hair, is also related believe it or not, to hand, literally meaning "little hands."

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject:

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I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!
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TomHChappell
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject:

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Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no;
it just slipped my mind completely!
I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started.
The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no;
it just slipped my mind completely!
I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started.
The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

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TomHChappell
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject:

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Radioguy wrote:

I should have my post here by the end of the week.

I'm still looking forward to it.
Thanks.
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bulbaquil
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Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman)
tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`]
tongue - šuun [s`u:n]
alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L]
palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h]
velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm]
uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx]
glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject:

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I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s)
gums
palate
uvula
throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing)
throat, thrachea, windpipe
breast, tit, teat
nipple
belly button
tendon
forehead
temple
bladder
calf
butt, buttocks, ass/arse
pelvis
spine, backbone
skull
rib(s) / ribcage

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?
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Turtlehead
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Location: Aotearoa
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Body Kanana
-Blood vessel aka
--Artery akala
--Vein akawana
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone ohakao
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala
--Skin lamaha
--Muscle kako
--Fat lapala
--Blood koko
-Trunk (torso) koho
--Chest hahaka
---Heart 'alona
---Lung lana
--Abdomen or Belly po'o
---Stomach 'ahakalo
---Liver lawala
---Spleen hapalana
---Intestines po'oloko
--Waist hopa
-Neck na'a
-Extremity
--Head opo'o
---Hair ma'awa
---Ear kalana
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye 'alo
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose aho
----Nostril
---Mouth waha
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm lana
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg wawa
----Hip
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--genitalia
---female
----vagina kala
----womb halapapa
---male
----penis ola
----testicle paopao
-Side kaha
--Back mola
--Front moa
--Left maoa
--Right makao
--Bottom (lower) lalo
--Top (upper) lona
--anus anoho
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Sdannískr

Lihhámr (body)
-Flǽskr (flesh)
--Bǽnr (bone)
--Flǽskr (flesh)
--Kríǥr (strength--muscle)
--Tálgr (fat)
--Bloðís (blood)
-Búlr (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso)
--Bármr (chest)
---Hǽrto (heart)
---Lúnǥwr (lung)
---Brýstr (breast)
--Hrǽfr (abdomen)
--Gérþ (waist)
-Hálsr (neck)
-Strǽkætiwr (limbs, lit. "extendeds")
--Hǿvuð (head)
---Hǽrr (hair)
---Ǿro (ear)
---Ǿǥa (eye)
----Bréhwo (eyelash)
---Snútr (nose)
---Múnþr (mouth)
----Kǿko (jaw)
----Tánþr (tooth)
----Túngo (tongue)
--Lím (limb)
---Ármr (harm)
----Sklúðro (shoulder)
----Wrístr (wrist)
----Múndr (hand)
-----Lófr (palm)
---Hýpr (hip)
---Kníw (knee)
---Ánkulwr (ankle)
---Þýhr (thigh)
---Skíno (shin)
---Fót (foot)
----Lǽstr (sole)
----Hahílr (heel)
--Fíngrr (toe or thumb or finger)
---Tǽhwo (toe)
---Ðúmo (thumb)
--Grúnd (groin)
--Fúlwatos (genitals/groin area, lit. "hiddens")
---Blédr (bladder)
---Ársr (butt)
----Arskúlr (anus)
---Kwénir (woman)
----Slít (vagina)
----Wámb (womb)
---Mánnr (man)
----Sǽkkr (scrotum)
----Fýrnr (penis)
----Bállukr (testicle)
-Síðo (side)
--Hrýng (back)
--Fǿro (front)
--Hlǿmr (left)
--Ríhtr (right)
--Bóð (bottom)
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Location: Leipzig
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Body - elwer - ellor
-Blood vessel - uía - clœya
--Artery - súloŋ
--Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed
--Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha
--Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@]
--Muscle - deuma - tóimma
--Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj]
--Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@]
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest - ámos
---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w]
---Lung - sválode - sbállod
--Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm
---Stomach - byallo - beáll
---Liver - bóyar - póughar
---Spleen - quellego
---Pancreas - felgeustar
---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@]
--Waist
-Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l]
-Extremity
--Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn]
---Hair - fille - híll
---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]
----Earhole
----Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma
---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]
----Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)
-----Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]
-----Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth
----Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth
-----Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag
----Eye socket - sattuce
----Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)
---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg
----Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog
---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga
----Jaw - vaugo - vóugh
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo
-----Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo
----Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág
-----Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)
----Tongue - maiga - máigga
--Limb
---Arm - lámo - láom
----Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]
----Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]
----Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]
-----Palm - yéna
---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]
----Hip - rωbe - rúaibh
----Knee - nébos - néobhas
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]
-----Sole - sumba
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-
----Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)
----Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)
---Toe - derdon
---Thumb - duntice
---Finger - dún - tún
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female - quenwe
----vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)
----womb - urwa - urbha
---male - donya
----penis - litto - líott [Lit]
----testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh
-Orifices
--anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis
pus - peugema
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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bulbaquil wrote:

Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman)
tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`]
tongue - šuun [s`u:n]
alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L]
palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h]
velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm]
uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx]
glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s)
gums
palate
uvula
throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing)
throat, thrachea, windpipe
breast, tit, teat
nipple
belly button
tendon
forehead
temple
bladder
calf
butt, buttocks, ass/arse
pelvis
spine, backbone
skull
rib(s) / ribcage

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?

"Breast" might not apply to non-mammals.
Nevertheless it should be included. Thanks for bringing it up.
"Ass/arse" should obviously apply to nearly any animal, even sea-squirts.
Thanks for including it.

Turtlehead wrote:

Body Kanana
-Blood vessel aka
--Artery akala
--Vein akawana
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone ohakao
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala
--Skin lamaha
--Muscle kako
--Fat lapala
--Blood koko
-Trunk (torso) koho
--Chest hahaka
---Heart 'alona
---Lung lana
--Abdomen or Belly po'o
---Stomach 'ahakalo
---Liver lawala
---Spleen hapalana
---Intestines po'oloko
--Waist hopa
-Neck na'a
-Extremity
--Head opo'o
---Hair ma'awa
---Ear kalana
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye 'alo
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose aho
----Nostril
---Mouth waha
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm lana
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg wawa
----Hip
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--genitalia
---female
----vagina kala
----womb halapapa
---male
----penis ola
----testicle paopao
-Side kaha
--Back mola
--Front moa
--Left maoa
--Right makao
--Bottom (lower) lalo
--Top (upper) lona
--anus anoho

Interesting! Thanks.

Arunaza wrote:

Svannískar

Lik-hámar (body)
-Flǽskar (flesh)
--Bǽnar (bone)
--Flǽskar (flesh)
--Krígar (strength--muscle)
--Tálgar (fat)
--Bloðísøam (blood)
-Búlar (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso)
--Bármar (chest)
---Hérto (heart)
---Lúnġwar (lung)
--Hrǽfir (abdomen)
--Gérþu (waist)
-Hálsar (neck)
-Strǽkætiwir (limbs, lit. "extendeds")
--Haúbuðam (head)
---Hǽrar (hair)
---Aúro (ear)
---Aúġa (eye)
----Bréhwo (eyelash)
---Snútar (nose)
---Múnþar (mouth)
----Kaúko (jaw)
----Tánþar (tooth)
----Túngo (tongue)
--Límu (limb)
---Ármar (harm)
----Sklúðro (shoulder)
----Urístir (wrist)
----Múndar (hand)
-----Lófar (palm)
---Hýpir (hip)
---Kníwam (knee)
---Ánkulwar (ankle)
---Þýhar (thigh)
---Skíno (shin)
---Fótam (foot)
----Lǽstar (sole)
----Hahílar (heel)
--Fíngrar (toe or thumb or finger)
---Tǽhwo (toe)
---Ðúmo (thumb)
--Fúlwatar (genitals, lit. "hiddens")
---Kwénir (woman)
----Slítam (vagina)
----Wámbam
---Mánnar (man)
----Fýrnir (penis)
----Bállukar (testicle)
-Síðo (side)
--Hrýggam (back)
--Faúro (front)
--Hleúmar (left)
--Ríhtar (right)
--Bóðam (bottom)

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand.
Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

Waldkater wrote:

Body - elwer - ellor
-Blood vessel - uía - clœya
--Artery - súloŋ
--Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed
--Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha
--Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@]
--Muscle - deuma - tóimma
--Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj]
--Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@]
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest - ámos
---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w]
---Lung - sválode - sbállod
--Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm
---Stomach - byallo - beáll
---Liver - bóyar - póughar
---Spleen - quellego
---Pancreas - felgeustar
---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@]
--Waist
-Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l]
-Extremity
--Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn]
---Hair - fille - híll
---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]
----Earhole
----Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma
---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]
----Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)
-----Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]
-----Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth
----Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth
-----Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag
----Eye socket - sattuce
----Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)
---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg
----Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog
---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga
----Jaw - vaugo - vóugh
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo
-----Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo
----Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág
-----Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)
----Tongue - maiga - máigga
--Limb
---Arm - lámo - láom
----Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]
----Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]
----Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]
-----Palm - yéna
---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]
----Hip - rωbe - rúaibh
----Knee - nébos - néobhas
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]
-----Sole - sumba
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-
----Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)
----Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)
---Toe - derdon
---Thumb - duntice
---Finger - dún - tún
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female - quenwe
----vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)
----womb - urwa - urbha
---male - donya
----penis - litto - líott [Lit]
----testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh
-Orifices
--anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis
pus - peugema

Thanks for mentioning them.
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Waldkater wrote:

English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand.
Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

ohh... sorry -
Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial")
but i was too lazy later
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TomHChappell
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Radioguy wrote:
I should have my post here by the end of the week.

@Radioguy, did you ever post here?

Waldkater wrote:
Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial") but i was too lazy later

Thanks. Do you have any more you'd like to show us now?
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Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!

Head - dú
Nose - amar
Eye - škíol
Mouth - armu
Ear - níu
Chin - va
Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd
Throat / Neck - damá

Shoulder - issun
Chest / Stomach - núa
Sides - gatod
Back - rammrót
Hip / Waist - fúv

Arm / Leg - skaro
Back of arm / Back of leg - orga
Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét
Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull
Finger / Toe - ram
Knee / Elbow - aitait

Flaccid penis - pelúa
Erect penis - lakkuš
Scrotum / Testes - ssap
'Gooch' - emrát
Vagina - tlaš a feu
Anus - tlaš
Buttock - mappíok
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cromulant wrote:
My word for arm is khaib. I'll get back to you on all the others.

@Cromulant; Did you get back to us on the others yet? Or, how much of it is available elsewhere? and, if any, where?
Thanks.

doctrellor wrote:
I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail, like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on, so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem. I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

@Doc; Did you post a list for Drem? Or is one available somewhere else? Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote:
(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.
These are the ones I have words for:
Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:
---SNIP Muphridian---

@Goza Lesha; Thanks for the Muphridian. Thanks also for as much of the Zevino'shoma as you've posted. Do you have anything on-line telling about their anatomy? Or other interesting things about them?
In re the Zevino'shoma bodyparts, you said "I'll come back for the rest later". Have you some more bodypart terms for them available somewhere?
Thanks.

Radagast wrote:
Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.
...
Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes
...
(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

@Radagast; thanks. (Radagast the Brown, right?)
Do you have more Mèlw terms online somewhere? Or that you'd like to post here?

Delalyra wrote:
Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

@Delalyra; What else can you tell us about Vernaclerian bodypart terms etc.?

Eddy wrote:
Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

@Eddy; Do you have anything else you think we'd like to see yet?

sintau.tayua wrote:
The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

@sintau.tayua; What else do you know about Psinu that probably belongs on this thread?
Thanks.

Old Man Neek wrote:
TomHChappell wrote:

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.
The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.
The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:
* A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
* An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
* Direction.
This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.
The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.
When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.
Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.
I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

@You, Neek ('cause there is only one of you); Oh, yes, it surely does help; thanks. Have you been able to expand the vocabulary yet to any other names of organs that you'd like us to see? If so, where can we look for them?

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Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!
Head - dú
Nose - amar
Eye - škíol
Mouth - armu
Ear - níu
Chin - va
Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd
Throat / Neck - damá
Shoulder - issun
Chest / Stomach - núa
Sides - gatod
Back - rammrót
Hip / Waist - fúv
Arm / Leg - skaro
Back of arm / Back of leg - orga
Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét
Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull
Finger / Toe - ram
Knee / Elbow - aitait
Flaccid penis - pelúa
Erect penis - lakkuš
Scrotum / Testes - ssap
'Gooch' - emrát
Vagina - tlaš a feu
Anus - tlaš
Buttock - mappíok

Thanks, -Klaivas-.
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".
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The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif
Hand kamr
Eye axr
Tongue lis
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I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
Haha, but of course they (I) do What else would I call it? Area-between-anus-and-front-genetalia ( etde-om-tlašos-om-[pelúas/lakkušos/tlaš-a-feus] ) ?
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TomHChappell wrote:
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".

When I was growing up, the male version was a "choad." (Hrm, can't blame that on regional differences either, can I?) But since then I've been introduced to the word "taint" ('t ain't one end and 't ain't the other) which appears to be gender-neutral.
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nebula wind phone wrote:
the male version was a "choad."
I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a penis which is wider than it is long".

Also, use thy "t"s consistently! 'T ain't one end and 't ain't t' other
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-Klaivas- wrote:
What else would I call it?

Perineum. Having kids introduces you to vocabulary you never knew existed.
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Amsel wrote:
The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif
Hand kamr
Eye axr
Tongue lis

You're doing well in other semantic fields; and in this one you're at least four ahead of me.
Thanks.
We'll be looking forward to seeing/hearing your expanded list.
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-Klaivas- wrote:
nebula wind phone wrote:
the male version was a "choad."
I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a which is wider than it is long".

Well, I wasn't "brought up" with the term, but I'd seen "choad" used to mean "jism" (or "semen" or "seed" or "ejaculate"(the noun)).
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Has anyone got anything new?
Has anyone who hasn't posted yet got anything responsive to the first 10 or 15 posts?
Has anyone who has already posted got anything new they haven't posted yet that fits in with the first 10 or so posts?
Does anyone want to change anything?
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What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?
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No offense, but I think nearly everyone will vote to let it die. It's not that it's not a great thread, it's just that hey, if we do it for this thread, why not 99 others? And then the museum would just be hard to browse though. I saved the thread to my hard drive though.
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So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?
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So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

booger slide?
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TomHChappell wrote:
What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?

I was happy to move the kinterms thread to the Museum because it contains some very useful information on the way different languages divide up the "kinship space" differently and how this correlates to cultural factors. I can't see any corresponding justification for indexing this thread; it's a nice collection, but it is just a collection of vocabulary from our conlangs.
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Wycoval wrote:
So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

A Uvula. Remember Google is your friend!

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Sorry, no.
The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

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Philtrum.
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Philtrum.

Obviously, we need to find a better English word for it. None of this Latiny-Greeky nonsense.
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Cénárol

nava- foot (pl. navam)*
paldo- hand (pl. paldom)*
qar'ta- finger
hir'da- head
ristai- arm (pl. ristím)**
nif- leg (pl. nífu)*

*NOTE: These terms are pluralized in the dual form only, unless when referenced in a group of people

**NOTE: Cénárol sound rule- ai>í
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Rav Shimon wrote:
Sorry, no.
The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

Oh then I have no idea what he's talking about nor what it looks like.

EDIT: Now that I've seen the pic I know what it is and what it looks like. Now I have a question:

What purpose does it serve?

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Serali wrote:
What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.
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Here are the words for body parts I have for Terpish so far:

Bol — belly
Jok — eye
Klit — clitoris
Kof — head
Kor — heart
Liöshan — brain
Mumbe — butt
Piej — foot

Naturally, the Terps understand biology well enough to understand the appropriate place for the seat of emotion and consciousness (the brain).
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boy #12 wrote:
Serali wrote:
What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

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Rav Shimon
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Serali wrote:
WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

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Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible
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What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

Soap wrote:

--Fat blampilpim

lol

Sorry, I didn't intend to be mean, that word just sounds funny. Blampilpim.
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Qwynegold wrote:
What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.
-Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle."
-The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye.
-The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg.
-"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc.
-The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."
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Ok, here's a tricky question*: where's the canthus?

*extra points if you don't use wikipedia.
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Rav Shimon wrote:
Serali wrote:
WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

Thanks! Never knew that!

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Eddy wrote:
Klit — clitoris

Now why would they have borrowed this word?

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Now why would they have borrowed this word?

Same reason why English did? Actually, I was lazy and didn't feel like coining a new word at the time (happens a lot with Terpish).
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boy #12 wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:
What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.
-Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle."
-The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye.
-The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg.
-"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc.
-The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."

Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?
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Qwynegold wrote:
Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.
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In Zali ["Zali]

Body tem [tEm]
-Blood vessel
--Artery
--Vein
-Material of which it is composed pu [pu] (just means "stuff", "material")
--Bone zaik [Zajk]
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
--Skin
--Muscle mad [mad]
--Fat
--Blood eik [Ejk]
-Trunk (torso) jul [dZUl]
--Chest bus [bUS]
---Heart
---Lung
--Abdomen or Belly taun [tawn]
---Stomach
---Liver
---Spleen
---Intestines
--Waist edil ["EdIl]
-Neck stiv [StIv]
-Extremity
--Head pok [pOk]
---Hair iki ["iki] (= hair on head), tal [tal] (= hair on body, fur, general word for hair)
---Ear cok [tSOk]
----Earhole cokdvad ["tSOkdvad]
----Earlobe?
---Eye og [Og]
----Eyeball ogwel ["OgwEl]
-----Iris
-----Pupil ognol ["OgnOl] (= "eyeblack")
-----Sclera ogaigu ["Ogajgu] (= "eyewhite")
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash ogtal ["Ogtal] (= "eyehair")
----Eye socket ogdvad ["Ogdvad] (= "eyehole")
----Tear gland
---Nose penk [pENk]
----Nostril penkdvad ["pENkdvad]
---Mouth sab [Sab] (= externally visible part of the mouth, ie. the lips), cik [tSIk] (= oral cavity)
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth (!I think I had a word for this, but lost it when I lost my dictionary)
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue lamil ["lamIl]
--Limb
---Arm cad [tSad]
----Shoulder zut [ZUt]
----Elbow cadwelik ["tSadwElIk] (= "armjoint")
----Wrist logwelik ["lOgwElIk] (= "handjoint")
----Humerus (upper arm) yalcad ["jaltSad] (= "toparm")
----Lower Arm loncad ["lOntSad] (= "bottomarm")
----Hand log [lOg]
-----Palm
---Leg duk [dUk]
----Hip pois [pOjS]
----Knee dukwelik ["dUkwElIk] (= "legjoint")
----Ankle dezwelik ["dEZwElIk] (= "footjoint")
----Thigh (upper leg) yalduk ["jaldUk]
----Shin hilag ["hilag] (= shin, bony part at front), oboz ["ObOZ] (= calf, muscular part at back), lenduk ["lEndUk] (= "bottomleg")
----Foot dez [dEZ]
-----Sole dezlen ["dEZlEn] (= "footbottom")
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) ix [Its]
---Nail vask [vaSk]
----Fingernail log(ix)vask ["lOg(Its)vaSk] (= "hand(digit)nail")
----Toenail dez(ix)vask ["dEZ(Its)vaSk] (= "foot(digit)nail")
---Toe dezix ["dEZIts] (= "footdigit")
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) darix ["dazIts] (= "bigdigit"), dadezix ["dadEZIts] (= "bigfootdigit")
----Pinky toe or little toe posxirix ["pOStsizIts] (= "mostlittledigit")
----Other individual toes? xidezix ["tsidEZIts] (= "littlefootdigit")
---Thumb zadix ["ZadIts] (= "importantdigit")
----Thumbnail zadixvask ["ZadItsvaSk] (= "importantdigitnail")
---Finger logix ["lOgIts]
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---Female en [En]
----vagina munu ["munu]
----womb
---male az [aZ]
----penis wung [wUN]
----testicle
-Side vel
--Back (!don't remember offhand)
--Front (!don't remember offhand)
--Left
--Right
--Bottom (lower) len- ["lEn-]
--Top (upper) yal- ["jal-]
-Orifices
--anus dumfdvad ["dUmfdvad] (= "arsehole")
--urethral meatus?

Other
breast, boob bumba ["bUmba]
arse, buttocks, bum dumf ["dUmf]
skull pokzaik ["pOkZajk] (= "headbone")

As for the other questions - they are much like us, technologically and scientifically advanced, so they know the true function of each organ, but much like us, although they know the true situation, there still remain certain cultural attachments to organs. The heart and guts are the home of the emotions - the heart beats faster with just about any intense emotion, and when it gets even more intense, the stomach aches. Consciousness was associated with the eyes, although it then became associated with the brain because people who had lost their eyes still reported being conscious - the brain was the obvious choice, being behind the eyes, and able to see through them.
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I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

In my family, it was always called the "dribble drain", which kind of doesn't make sense, because ... um, gravity goes down, so ... I don't know.

Some guy in a pub told me one night that that was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ...
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Qwynegold wrote:
Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.

OK, now I understand. Thx!
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Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible

There are several conspecies around who cannot pronounce labials, and they don't seem to mind. Ollock's Xala, for a start.
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Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.

The oxygenation state is the other way round in the vessels going between the heart and the lungs. I dunno how it works before being born.

Oh, add "placenta" to the list if you want.
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Thanks, mavonduri, eddy, soap, imralu

Imralu wrote:
Some guy in a pub told me one night that that [the philtrum] was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ...
I heard that Plato or the Platonists said it was the "cavern angel" telling each newly-reborn soul not to tell any memories of its former lives.

So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list?
uvula
philtrum
artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart)
vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart)
portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart)
brain
back of the neck
front of the neck
back of the head
forehead
wisdom tooth
canthus
clitoris
breast
buttock
butt
skull
placenta
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Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible
No philtrums on some Fetal Alcohol Syndrome people, but Ive never heard them have a problem with labial consonants.

I'll put up the Izda Mir body parts soon. (They'll be pretty similar to Pabappa's.)
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Here are the words in Lhueslue:

Body lu /lu:/ (human), rhu /ɻu:/ (animal)
-Blood vessel ueshie-echul /yʃə:etʃu:l/ (human), ueshie-echurh /yʃə:etʃuɻ/ (animal)
--Artery ueshie-echulxhe /yʃə:etʃulxe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhxhe /yʃə:etʃuɻxe:/ (animal)
--Vein ueshie-echulqe /yʃə:etʃulqe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhqe /yʃə:etʃuɻqe:/ (animal)
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pujchul /puʒtʃu:l/ (human), pujchurh /puʒtʃu: ɻ/ (animal)
--Gristle or cartilage pubchul /pubtʃu:l/ (human), pubchurh /pubtʃu: ɻ/ (animal)
--Skin xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonynous with front side of body), xhuchurh /xutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Muscle euchul /eutʃu:l/ (human), euchurh /eutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Fat bee-chulu /bɛ:tʃulu:/ (human), bee-churhu /bɛ:tʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Blood ueshie /yʃə:/
-Trunk (torso) yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Chest yuyuchulu /jujutʃulu:/ (human), yuxhuchurhu /juxutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
---Heart ije /iʒe:/
---Lung hichul /hitʃu:l/ (human), hichurh /hitʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Abdomen or Belly zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as stomach), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as stomach)
---Stomach zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as abdomen and belly), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as abdomen and belly)
---Liver ueshie-juch /yʃə:ʒutʃ/
---Spleen tyueshie-juch /tjyʃə:ʒutʃ/
---Intestines lhunyejuch /ðˡunjeʒutʃ/
--Waist ungtudlu /uŋtudlu:/ (human), ungtudrhu /uŋtudɻu:/ (animal)
-Neck huzchul /huztʃu:l/ (human), huzchurh /huztʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-Extremity chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as limb and bodypart), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as limb and bodypart)
--Head chyuel /tʃjy:l/ (human), chyuerh /tʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)
---Hair bochyul /botʃju:l/ (human), borh /bo:ɻ/ (animal, actually fur)
---Ear su /su:/
----Earhole sujung-ie /suʒuŋə:/
----Earlobe zungsu /zuŋsu:
---Eye wu /wu:/
----Eyeball wubuzuytud /wubuzujtu:d/
-----Iris wu-wuech /wu:wytʃ/
-----Pupil wu-miewuech /wu:məwytʃ/
-----Sclera wu-fwueh /wu:fwyh/
----Eyebrow boywu /bojwu:/
----Eyelid wuyeung /wujeuŋ/
-----Eyelash bowu /bowu:/
----Eye socket wujung-iechyuel /wuʒuŋətʃjy:l/ (human), wujung-iechyuerh /wuʒuŋətʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)
----Tear gland -
---Nose nyu /nju:/
----Nostril nyujung-ie /njuʒuŋə:/
---Mouth znu /znu:/
----Jaw zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) yuzuchyul /juzutʃju:l/ (human), yuzuchyurh /juzutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Mandible (lower jaw) zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human, same as jaw), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal, same as jaw)
----Tooth poznu /poznu:/
-----Incisor poznuxhu /poznuxu:/
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth poznupú /poznupǔ:/
-----Molar poznutud /poznutu:d/ (both molar and premolar), qupoznutud /qupoznutu:d/ (molar only)
-----Premolar xhupoznutud /xupoznutu:d/
----Tongue nub /nub/
--Limb/bodypart chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as extremity), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as extremity)
---Arm zyux /zjuχ/
----Shoulder xa /χa:/
----Elbow jungzyux /ʒuŋzjuχ/
----Wrist xua /χua/
----Humerus (upper arm) yux /juχ/
----Lower Arm zux /zuχ/
----Hand xu /χu:/
-----Palm xuz /χuz/
---Leg zechul /zetʃu:l/ (human), zechurh /zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Hip azuchulu /azutʃulu:/ (human), azuchurhu /azutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
----Knee jungzechul /ʒuŋzetʃu:l/ (human), jungzechurh /ʒuŋzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Ankle chae-pyuzechul /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-pyuzechurh /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Thigh (upper leg) yuzechul /juzetʃu:l/ (human), yuzechurh /juzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Shin -
----Foot chae-zechul /tʃæ:zetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zechurh /tʃæ:zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Sole chae-zuzechul /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zuzechurh /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Heel chae-quzechul /tʃæ:quzetʃu:l (human), chae-quzechurh /tʃæ:quzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Ball -
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) chochulu /tʃotʃulu:/ (human), chochurhu /tʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal)
---Nail puchochulu /putʃotʃulu:/ (human); puchochurhu /putʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal, also means claw)
----Fingernail puchoxu /putʃoχu:/
----Toenail puchozechul /putʃozetʃu:l/ (human)
---Toe chozechul /tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), chozechurh /tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) ochozechul /otʃozetʃu:l/ (human), ochozechurh /otʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Pinky toe or little toe oe-chozechul /ø:tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), oe-chozechurh /ø:tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Second toe chozechulowu /tʃozetʃulowu:/ (human), chozechurhowu /tʃozetʃuɻowu:/ (animal)
----Third toe chozechuloqaxh /tʃozetʃuloqa:χ/ (human), chozechurhoqaxh /tʃozetʃuɻoqa:χ/ (animal)
----Fourth toe chozechulo-rhuength /tʃozetʃulo:ɻyŋθ/ (human), chozechurho-rhuength /tʃozetʃuɻo:ɻyŋθ/ (animal)
---Thumb choxutud /tʃoχutu:d/ (human), choxu-oeue /tʃoχu:øy/ (animal)
----Thumbnail puchoxutud /putʃoχutu:d/
---Finger choxu /tʃoχu:/
----Index finger choxuowu /tʃoχuowu:/
----Pinky finger oe-choxu /ø:tʃoχu:/
----Middle finger choxuoqaxh /tʃoχuoqa:x/
----Ring finger choxuo-rhuength /tʃoχuoɻyŋθ/
--genitalia vichul /vitʃu:l/ (human), vichurh /vitʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
---female ci /ɕi:/
----vagina ciljung-ie /ɕilʒuŋə:/ (human), cirhjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋə:/ (animal)
----womb iájung-ie /iǎ:ʒuŋə:/
---male ri /ri:/
----penis vichri /vitʃri:/
----testicle buzuytudri /buzujtudri:/
-Side tud /tu:d/
--Back quchul /qutʃu:l/ (human), yuchurh /jutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Front xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonymous with skin), zuchurh /zutʃu:ɻ/ (animal, actually underside)
--Left tu /tu:/
--Right du /du:/
--Lower zuchulu (human) /zutʃulu:/, quchurhu /qutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Upper yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human, same as torso), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as torso)
-Orifices chulujung-ie /tʃuluʒuŋə:/ (human), churhujung-ie /tʃuɻuʒuŋə:/ (animal)
--anus jung-ieqae /ʒuŋəqæ:/
--urethral meatus vichrijung-ie /vitʃriʒuŋə:/ (male), ciljungjung-ie /ɕilʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (human, female) cirhjungjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (animal, female)

Heh! This is probably the only language that has three words for urethral meatus.

But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?
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Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a fully developed conlang with nearly as much /u/ as that. Is it because you just like /u/ or did you do it to set this language apart from others in your conworld?
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Heh! I didn't intend it to become so common from the beginning. In Lhueslue every phoneme bears a meaning and /u/ means material. As it happened, almost every noun gets an /u/.
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Thanks, Qwynegold.
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If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum?
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Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here. Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe. But the way it is now; nah.
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TomHChappell wrote:
Thanks, Qwynegold.
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If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum?

Your welcome. Oh, and I had some questions too:
Qwynegold wrote:
But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?

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Qwynegold wrote:
But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understand the picture.
Tears are the watery, salty secretion that keeps the eyes moist. The bulk of the refracting of light during focussing is done by a thin veil of tears; the lens just fine-tunes it. Tears also contain protein (and FAIK other biological ingredients); that is why it is necessary to clean contact lenses once a day.
When the eye is irritated the production and flow of tears is increased, to the point that they leak out of the eye; the usual result is to wash out whatever is irritating the eye. When someone weeps, they often over-produce tears this same way.
Tear-glands (aka lacrimal glands) are in the upper outer corners of the eyes. In the lower inner corners of the eyes are ducts that ordinarily take tears down into the nose; if the tear-glands aren't overproducing, this is where tears usually are disposed of.

Qwynegold wrote:
And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?
Just think either "bottom of body" and "top of body", or "lower half of body" and "upper half of body". If you want two pairs of terms, go ahead and provide both. Otherwise take your pick.

aardwolf wrote:
Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here.

If more people responded to the following questions, would it?

I wrote:
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

aardwolf wrote:
Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe.
Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?
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OK, I added upper and lower body to my post. I guess my conlang won't have a word for tear gland since it's something you can't see so the conpeople wouldn't know about it.
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TomHChappell wrote:
aardwolf wrote:
Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe.
Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?

I think you'd need things like discussion of (systematic) cultural associations (e.g. your original questions about the seat of emotion, etc.), strong cross-linguistic tendencies (always distinguishing certain body parts or not, words for the genitals being taboo/impolite), and derivation (e.g. how my conlang Old Gzho uses the same word for "arm" and "hand", but can also refer to the arm as the "hand-neck"). Also usage of body part terms for other things, i.e. verbal affixes, locative/directional expressions, etc. And investigating how changes to body structure would affect language, e.g. having no lips wouldn't just mean a lack of labial consonants - you also wouldn't be able to produce rounded vowels, which could have a big affect on the vowel inventory.
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I'm glad this thread is still around--I was thinking I might have to rederive all the Sdannískr body words, which would be irritating (and time-consuming, for that matter). I think this thread has just increased my new lexicon by half, or just about.
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I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.
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guitarplayer wrote:
I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.

Which items did you add? I'm pretty sure I included, or added, some of those; tear gland, upper and lower jaw, thigh, shin, two of the toes and "other individual toes?", and each of the fingers. I'm not sure what a shank is. I didn't include the calf, I don't think; I guess I should. I included the hips; I didn't distinguish the buttocks from the hips. I didn't get into internal organs that a layman couldn't tell were there and doing things without opening up the body; so that's why I left out the ovaries and the prostate, though I include the womb and the testes.

My last update on that was July 15 on Page 4.
TomHChappell wrote:
So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list?
uvula
philtrum
artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart)
vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart)
portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart)
brain
back of the neck
front of the neck
back of the head
forehead
wisdom tooth
canthus
clitoris
breast
buttock
butt
skull
placenta

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I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually
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My small dictionary has some basic body parts but nothing specific like artery.

ANKLE = TĀMA
ARM = RŌTA
BLOOD = PĀTA
CHEST = ShŌMĀ
ELBOW = JeĪTŌ

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guitarplayer wrote:
I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually :P
I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.
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TomHChappell wrote:
I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.

Ah, I see.

[edit] My list, so far [/edit]
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guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.
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TomHChappell wrote:
guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.

I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page.

*is puzzled*
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Rodlox wrote:
TomHChappell wrote:
guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.
I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page. *is puzzled*
If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to.
That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?
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TomHChappell wrote:
If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to.
That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?

I guess that my host doesn't allow direct linking to files other than HTML, just like Geocities. So much for free hosting.
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TomHChappell wrote:

That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?

not yet - *goes to try it*

thanks.
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I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:

For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use. Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.

People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. (I am thinking of Ilaksh in particular. How about it JQP? )
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What a smart idea!
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simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

simon.clarkstone wrote:
For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use.
For humans I don't believe more than 16 compass points in a plane are natural.
For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

simon.clarkstone wrote:
Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.
Are your Kigdatsi human?

simon.clarkstone wrote:
People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ...
Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker.
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Hel·lerà / Helleran

Body tol, estou

Blood guès
Blood vessel cabinyol guesetz “blood vessel”
Artery maxarva
Vein ôued

Bone tot
Cartilage martel•let
Skeleton gargamol, gaugamol

Skin fiu
Muscle rambe
Fat (corporal) lhud
Tendon tirant

Head pot, tuc, tuys, syet, arsyet (m), tuche, tutze (f)
Hair togès
Hair (a fiber) bli
Skull golag (m/f)
cranium raz
Neck lleg, nyoc

Ear onze, osye, oge
Earhole bosit na s’onze “hole of the ear”
Earlobe lhob na s’onze “lobe of the ear”

Eye oc, oig, uoc
Iris gavi
Pupil chelandé
Sclera bel na s’oc “white of the eye”; cýncolis (neolog)
Eyebrow tirse
Eyelid pedillou
Eyelash goume
Eye socket bou na s’oc “socket of the eye”
Tear gland dragole

Nose per
Nostril bosit nas per “hole of the nose”

Mouth tamà
Cheek guys
Jaw radagame (sg) or radagames (pl)
Maxilla (upper jaw) berosti
Mandible (lower jaw) carmazzi
Tooth gam
Incisor cartalh, gartalh “central incisor”; cartalet, gortalet “lateral incisor”
Eyetooth or Canine tooth anhac
Molar cheral “molar, second molar”; cheraló “first molar”
Tongue lheme. But "language, idiom" is lhambe
Lip jami

Trunk bros
Chest tor
Abdomen mablada
Belly beli
Lower abdomen naig beli “lower belly”; sabel

Heart lhò
Lung beloi
Stomach mansaghe
Liver sagé
Spleen vèdem
Intestines ganyalons (pl.)

Extremity, limb estighiu; espadelhe

Waist caradanç
Pelvis cadanche or tot nas caradanç “bone of the waist”
Buttock dabons (pl.) / dabó, bono and guys nas sat “cheek of the butt”
Bum, arse, butt sat
Hip bemuc
Leg (from hip to ankle) gambe
Thigh (upper leg, from hip to knee) gamays
Knee golde
Kneecap, patella gavanhol
Shank (lower leg, from knee to ankle) garme
Shin astanye
Calf tonsim na s’astanye “doughy part of the shin”
Ankle poghet
Foot pedh, madà
Heel garou
Sole mad

Shoulder espambelh (traditional), espemble (neolog)
Arm (from shoulder to wrist) ram
Arm (from shoulder to elbow) ramec
Elbow ajoc
Arm (from elbow to wrist) ramell
Wrist arbou
Hand badh
Palm pançou

Digit gartembi, cartempe (neolog)
Finger, toe ghez (traditional)
Toe (foot digit) ghez nas pedh “finger of the foot”
Finger (hand digit) ghez nas badh “finger of the hand”
Ball tonsim nas ghez “doughy part of the finger”
Thumb tigarembi, tigampó, garampó
Index finger ghez casarteu “managing/governative/guiding finger”
Middle finger ghez perís “middle finger”
Ring finger ghez nigançant “dependent finger”
Little finger ghez polzuc “small finger”

Genitalia zinyaroncs
Vagina begane
Womb gameu
Penis gozzi (traditional); felghe (neolog)
Testicle galló
Anus guada
Urethral meatus dragavàrie

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Does Helleran use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).

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Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of life?

Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of emotion?

The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of consciousness?

The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body.
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TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

North
North-one-quarter-east
North-by-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-north
North-north-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-east
North-east-by-north
North-east-one-quarter-north
North-east
&c
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Rav Shimon wrote:

North
North-one-quarter-east
North-by-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-north
North-north-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-east
North-east-by-north
North-east-one-quarter-north
North-east
&c

Hmm. I thought halfway between North and North-by-East was "North-a-half-East" rather than "North-a-quarter-East". And so on. You are making the (N,S,E,W,NE,NW,SE,SW)-by-(N,S,E,W) be half-points instead of points.
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North, north-north-east, north-east &c are the sixteen primary points of a compass. Halfway between north and north-north-east is north-by-east (that is, the next half-point east of north), and half of that (half of half being a quarter) is north-one-qaurter-east (said point being one quarter of the way from north to the next point in an easterly direction).
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TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points.
I could have been wrong about that, but the details don't matter here.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use.
For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

The system would necessarily be as irregular and wonky as the body is. Fortunately, their limbs all have the same basic structure, so analogising could reduce the set of needed roots. (It is not the same as the pentadactyl limb system.)

TBH I am not sure how I will actually do this, or how similar to the compass system it would actually be, though cylindrical co-ordinates look promising. I mean that (e.g.) there would be no root for "elbow", but something derived from "wrist" and "shoulder". And "knee" and one of the wing-joints would be the same word, with just one part changed because they are on different limbs. Or you could refer to (e.g.) "the bottom half of the upper-right quadrant of your back" in a simple way.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.
Are your Kigdatsi human?
No. They are not even evolved, but designed. This makes them odd in many ways, though mostly good ones. It also means I will need terms for secondary brains, telekinesis organs, etc.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ...
Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker.
Nice. Not available for inter-conworld cooperation over at conworlds.info are you?
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I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
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Izo wrote:
Hel·lerà / Helleran
---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks.
Izo wrote:
....Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).
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Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.
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Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.
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The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.
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The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body.
I found these especially interesting.

Zoris wrote:
I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?
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TomHChappell wrote:
Izo wrote:
Hel·lerà / Helleran
---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks.
Izo wrote:
[...]
I found these especially interesting.

Thanks to you!

TomHChappell wrote:
Zoris wrote:
I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?

Why not? I included it in the expansion of the Helleran Lexicon of Human Anatomy, which I will post in this thread as soon as I complete it (what I included on my last post was based on your list): it will include more organs, bodyparts and substances, including the names for all human bones and muscles, and a deep view of every major organ system.

The list, as I will show it, represents the medical knowledge of human anatomy as it was in the time where my novels take place.
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I'm gonna bump up this thread because I think it's full of valuable information.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:

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UROBASICAN

Body Corpo
-Blood vessel Vessilo de Sango
--Artery Arterio
--Vein Veîno
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Oso
--Cartilage Cartilagio
--Skin Pelo
--Muscle Musclo
--Fat Lipido
--Blood Sango
-Trunk (torso) Trongo/Torso
--Chest Caffro
---Heart Coro
---Lung Pomeno
--Abdomen or Belly Abdomeno
---Stomach Estomaco
---Liver Fusjo
---Spleen Kescauro
---Intestines Intesnós
--Waist Dasrão
-Neck Collo
-Extremity
--Head Testo
---Hair Cavero
---Ear Orelo
----Earhole Casemo d'Orelo
----Earlobe? Lûbe
---Eye Optro
----Eyeball Globo d'Optro
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupiro
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Sobbrio
----Eyelid Pardigo
-----Eyelash Cyliu
----Eye socket Domecco d'Optro
----Tear gland Glando dè Plurós
---Nose Neso
----Nostril Nestrilo
---Mouth Boco
----Jaw Macco
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandiblo
----Tooth Dento
-----Incisor Incisèro
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Primca dento
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molaro
----Tongue Languo
--Limb Omembrio
---Arm Ièbro
----Shoulder Costrio
----Elbow Vikastrio
----Wrist Pristão
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus
----Lower Arm L'ièbro surina
----Hand Maño
-----Palm Paumo
---Leg J'azabo
----Hip Fahjo
-----buttock Destro
----Knee Noremo
----Ankle Cavliniro
----Thigh (upper leg) Ecaustro
----Shank Shánk
-----Shin Shimno
-----Calf Vecravo
----Foot Pedio
-----Sole Sôle
-----Heel Talono
-----Ball Balo
--Digit Dijéto
---Nail Otrís
----Fingernail Otrís de Dijéto
----Toenail Otrís de Puçavo
---Toe Puçavo
----Pollex Pollexo
----Pinky toe or little toe Granda Puçavo
----Other individual toes? None
---Thumb Puço
----Thumbnail Otrís de Puço
---Finger Dijéto
----Index finger Dijéto Indexo
----Pinky finger Dijéto Pestanda
----Middle finger Dijéto Midiena
----Ring finger Dijéto d'Annilo
---female femaraia
----vagina vajno
----womb utero
---male maraia
----penis peneso/penetraso/pestaso
----testicle testicuro
-Side Visjeiro
--Back Destra
--Front Avastra
--Left Gosca
--Right Diréjito
--Bottom (lower) Subina
--Top (upper) Surina
-Orifices Orifiçós
--anus anús

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Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):

My apologies, this was a neat table

In, inside of - Tendet (heart) /ˈtɛndət/
Out, outside of - Twizo (shell, skull) /ˈtwizoʊ/
Around (static) - Natan (skin, bark) /natɔn/
Through (static) - Ped (stick, rod) /pɛd/
On top of, Over (static) - Miye (hair) /ˈmijə/
Above, Over (static) - Aol (cloud) /ɔβ̞͡ɫ/
Underneath - Bundu (underside) /ˈbɵndʊw/
Below - Neeza (grass) /ˈniza/
Beside, Next to - Stabed (arm) /ˈstabəd/
In front of - Danćod (chest) /ˈdɔntɕɔd/
Behind - Kee (back) /k͜xi/
At (in a place; at a moment) - Se /sə/
Over (dynamic) - Meyl (wing) /ˈmɛil/
Under, Before - Asper (water) /ˈaspər/
Through (dynamic), During, While being in - Ense (spear) /ˈɛnsə/
Past, After - Huś (wind) /hʊɕ/
From elsewhere towards here - Sitei (source of river) /ˈsiti/
Towards a specific location Ula (gaze) /ˈʊla/
Away from here - Pridas (buttocks) /ˈpridas/
Alongside - Dedomheyet (lover, lit hand-holder) /dədɔˈmejət/ < relatively recent addition to the pronoun list, con-historically
Off - Away, from touching - Donin (fall) /ˈdɔnɘn/
Into (place, area, state) - Raowemelek (field of view) /rɔwəˈmeilək/ (always makes me think 'raw milk')
Out of (place, area, state) - Meśa (leaf bud) /ˈmeiɕa/
Around (dynamic) - Malman (orbit) /ˈmɔlmɔn/, dynamic form of /ˈmɔlma/, hug
Moving around the inside of area or place - Sefse (sniff around) /ˈsɛfsə/

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And no, this is not a confusing system. Talanese requires articles for nouns pretty much all the time (because nouns themselves don't inflect much), and of course prepositions don't have articles. It all came to me when I was reading a rather interesting text that had something to do with perception of time, progress and motion in Mediaeval paintings in the library. Actually, my whole TAM system is built upon inspiration drawn from that!
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As for the body parts list, well... I haven't filled out much, yet, because I've chosen to do it elaborately. I have more words for body parts than there are on this list, but I just haven't reached them yet while filling it out!

Thanks for providing it, though.
Here's what I have so far (.htm converted from .doc) http://www.by002.net/~neuteboo/bodyparts.htm

I'll get there... some time!

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Soap wrote:
This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise!

Two weeks ago I saw it was close of being pruned and I thought of posting here to retain it, but finally I forgot to do it... . Luckily I'm not the only one that will post soon here!
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Might it be a good idea to move this list to someplace it won't expire from, like a wiki? Maybe KneeQuickie? Or frathwiki? Or Chris Bates's linguistics wiki? Or the Conlang Wikia?
Or even L&L Museum?
I can move it to KneeQuickie, I think. I probably need Neek's permission first. Same with the others; maybe I can do it, but I probably need the owners' permission.
But I can't move it to the Museum.

dinnae wrote:
Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):
Hey, that's neat! Thanks.
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Quote:
I probably need Neek's permission first.
The KQ is down right now and Neek's doing basic training so he probably wont be able to fix it anytime soon. Nevertheless, I think that in the long term that or some other wiki might be a good idea.

Edit: the KQ is back; it looks like he has monthly bandwidth caps, and he exceeded it in April, but it's back now that it's May.
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Here's some of the body parts that I have in Danšlağ. I haven't really gotten specific with them, although I have got the "main" ones.

body- ri
nose- nopu
ear- yakušu
mouth- slata
eye- aslo
tongue- zabu
teeth- clač
tonsils- kakraku
neck- uxač
hair- skoru
head- baru
shoulder- tuŵ
arm- cura
hand- ğeš
finger- baklaŵer
fingernail- baklaŵeruka
thumb- kuku
chest- orka
breast- ğuš
stomach- iču
lungs- abačeraku
leg- laŵe
ankle- etai
foot- teš
toe- kuklaŵer
toenail- kaklaŵeruka
genital- irosi
penis- bamu
vagina- omaru

That's pretty much all I have so far. I'm sure I'll add more after reading this, though.
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Novegradian:

Body тѣло tiě́lo
-Blood vessel кревоносита жила krevonósita žíla (lit. "blood-carrying vessel")
--Artery артеря artiéria
--Vein вена véna
-Material of which it is composed матеряљ зе котраево состаулене materiáł ze kotrájevo sostáulene
--Bone кости kósti
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) хреце hréce
--Skin плоти plóti
--Muscle мишка míška
--Fat туке túke
--Blood крев krév
-Trunk (torso) торсе tórse
--Chest грандина дантина grándina dántina (lit. "breast cavity")
---Heart серце siérce
---Lung плуце plúce
--Abdomen or Belly желудок želudók (not distinguished from "stomach")
---Stomach желудок želudók
---Liver етро iétro
---Spleen слезени sleziéni
---Intestines есто iésto
--Waist таля tália
-Neck шия šíja
-Extremity концина kóncina
--Head глава gláva
---Hair власи vlási
---Ear оху óhu
----Earhole ---
----Earlobe? ---
---Eye око óko
----Eyeball оцное яблоко ócnoje iábloko (lit. "eye apple")
-----Iris оцное кољце ócnoje kołcé (lit. "eye ring")
-----Pupil оцней дѣде ócnej dědié (lit. "eye child")
-----Sclera бѣлое око bě́loje óko (lit. "white eye")
----Eyebrow брев brév
----Eyelid вѣко vě́ko
-----Eyelash ресница résnica or ресна résna
----Eye socket оцней доље ócnej dółe (lit. "eye pit")
----Tear gland слезная жлеза sléznaja žlezá
---Nose носе nóse
----Nostril носдера nosderá
---Mouth роте róte
----Jaw целусти célusti
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) верхеная целусти verhénaja célusti (lit. "upper jaw")
-----Mandible (lower jaw) нижная целусти nížnaja célusti (lit. "lower jaw")
----Tooth забе zábe
-----Incisor предней забе prédnej zábe (lit. "foretooth")
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth коле kóle
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) глауней забе gláunej zábe (lit. "headtooth")
----Tongue лизике lizíke
--Limb концина kóncina (not distinguished from "extremity")
---Arm рока róka (not distinguished from "hand")
----Shoulder плеѕо pledzó (not distinguished from "upper arm")
----Elbow лакоти lákoti
----Wrist подруцие podrucjé (lit. "beneath the hand")
----Humerus (upper arm) плеѕо pledzó (common usage, not distinguished from "shoulder") or надлакоцие nadlakocjé (lit. "above the elbow", in medical usage)
----Lower Arm предлакоцие predlakocjé (largely medical usage)
----Hand рока róka (not distinguished from "arm")
-----Palm длани dláni
---Leg нога nogá (not distinguished from "foot")
----Hip ланцо lancó
-----buttock (if different) заде záde (lit. "rear, behind")
----Knee колѣно kolě́no
----Ankle глезне glézne
----Thigh (upper leg) бедро bedró
----Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle) голени goléni (not distinguished from "shin")
-----Shin голени goléni (not distinguished from "shank")
-----Calf лиска líska
----Foot нога nogá (common usage, not distinguished from "leg") or пѣхе pě́he (largely medical usage)
-----Sole позпѣшие pozpěšjé (lit. "under the foot")
-----Heel пида pidá
-----Ball ---
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) порсте pórste
---Nail ноготи nógoti
----Fingernail ноготи рокѣ nógoti rókě (lit. "nail on the hand")
----Toenail ноготи ногѣ nógoti nogiě́ (lit. "nail on the foot")
---Toe порсте на ногѣ pórste nogiě́ (lit. "digit on the foot")
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) палоке ногѣ páloke nogiě́ (lit. "thumb on the foot")
----Pinky toe or little toe вейка ногѣ véjka nogiě́ (lit. "little digit on the foot")
----Other individual toes? -just find the equivalent finger name and add ногѣ; each finger name can refer to either the finger or the equivalent toe, though in common usage it is generally assumed that the hand is meant unless otherwise specified or context makes it clear
---Thumb палоке páloke
----Thumbnail ноготи палокѣ nógoti pálokě (lit. "nail on the thumb")
---Finger порсте pórste (like the individual fingers and toes, this term can refer to either a finger or toe in general, but by default is assumed to refer to the fingers)
----Index finger предовоке predovóke (lit. "the front one")
----Pinky finger вейка véjka (lit. "little twig")
----Middle finger срединоке sredinóke (lit. "the middle one")
----Ring finger безимѣнноке beziměnnóke (lit. "the unnamed one", a name you see in Russian and several Uralic languages)
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! плодовии plodóviji (lit. "[organs for] producing offspring")
---female женески плодовии žéneski plodóviji
----vagina туло túlo
----womb трево trévo
---male мужески плодовии múžeski plodóviji
----penis шлене šléne (lit. "member")
----testicle яйѕок iajdzók (lit. "little egg")
-Side страна straná
--Back заде záde (for the back part of the body) or спина spína (for the actual back/spine)
--Front преде préde
--Left лѣво lě́vo
--Right право právo
--Bottom (lower) низе níze
--Top (upper) верхе vérhe
-Orifices отуоре ótuore
--anus задней отуоре zádnej ótuore (lit. "rear orifice")
--urethral meatus? --

Misc:
--lap љону łónu
--kidney нерка niérka
--bladder пуғири puğíri (lit. "bubble")
--brain мозгѣ mozgiě́
--lip осту óstu
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Body Parts in Your Conlangs

2008-05-22T23:35:46Z

Eldin raigmore: /* Body Parts */ Tried to split it up; started to, anyway.

== Questionnair/Template ==
Author: TomHChappell
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:16 am

How many, and who, among us have more-or-less completish vocabularies for body parts in some of our conlangs? And which conlangs?

Here's my attempt at an outline. If you find it incomplete, add stuff; if you find a different order would be better, re-arrange it; and if you find it makes "different" things your conlang would make "same", edit it.

Body
-Blood vessel
--Artery
--Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
--Skin
--Muscle
--Fat
--Blood
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest
---Heart
---Lung
--Abdomen or Belly
---Stomach
---Liver
---Spleen
---Intestines
--Waist
-Neck
-Extremity
--Head
---Hair
---Ear
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose
----Nostril
---Mouth
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg
----Hip
-----buttock (if different)
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle)
-----Shin
-----Calf
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
-Side
--Back
--Front
--Left
--Right
--Bottom (lower)
--Top (upper)
-Orifices
--anus
--urethral meatus?
--vagina was covered under "genitalia".
--mouth and nose and ear were covered under "head". So was "eye", but your conlang might not consider that an orifice.

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Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)
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What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

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Tom H.C. in MI
Last edited by TomHChappell on Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:58 am; edited 4 times in total
--[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 23:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

== Things included and things omitted on purpose, with reasons ==
Author: TomHChappell
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:41 pm

cromulant wrote:
Your forgot the Isles of Langerhans.

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I tried to leave out most things that were microscopic (like the Islets), and most things that were not visible on the surface (like the Islets).

(I also left out the Organ of Zuckerkandl, which resides in the arch of the aorta. Nobody seems to know what it's for.)

(And I left out the voicebox or larynx, and other parts of the speech system. Perhaps I should have included some of them. Others are welcome to, if they feel it would be good to do so.)

Bones and blood and stomachs-and-or-intestines and hearts and wombs, however, seemed like I should include them.

Blood is often visible on the surface, after a minor injury.

If bone is visible on the surface, a major injury has occurred; but one can detect the bone from the outside by touch.

Hearts move and make a sound detectable from the outside.

The same is true of the stomach-and-or-intestines; furthermore the owner of the stomach can often tell when it's empty, or when it wants to operate in reverse (the name of that sensation is "nausea").

Wombs have visible results; and their owners know what's going on in them. (Actually, I've been kicked awake by an unborn baby whose mother slept through the kick!)

As for livers and spleens and sweetbreads and so on: They are often referred to in old-fashioned conversations preceding the advent of modern medicine; I assume that the practice of butchery, together with those of surgery and veterinary and medicine, familiarized people with some of them. In some Native North American languages, for instance, an automobile's battery is referred to as its "liver".

It would be reasonable for some conlangs not to have all of these, and for others to have body-part terms in addition to these.

--[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 23:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

== (lost post, including name of conlang) ==
Author: cromulant
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:29 am

My word for arm is khaib.
I'll get back to you on all the others.

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Last edited by cromulant on Sun May 04, 2008 1:14 am; edited 1 time in total

== Pabappa ==
Author: Soap
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:56 am

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
-Blood vessel tamapop
--Artery tamap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pansa
--Skin perebi
--Muscle soppi
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
--Blood tapema
-Trunk (torso) sumpobi
--Chest pammum
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
---Stomach pemarapupi
---Liver pabapi
---Spleen barrampi
---Intestines wampupi
--Waist pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Hair wesum
---Ear uma, sobopi
----Earhole umabosadepi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Iris pispadapi
-----Pupil pispaliapi
-----Sclera no word yet
----Eyebrow pisamblesum
----Eyelid osinipi
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
----Eye socket opposadepi
----Tear gland liblapampi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Nostril taposadepi
---Mouth popopi
----Jaw poposopi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Tongue blampi
--Limb pemia
---Arm pemia
----Shoulder maba
----Elbow pemiabimbra
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
---Leg pampipi
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Knee pimbra
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
----Shin no word yet
----Foot aspi
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
---Nail ebbi
----Fingernail ebbi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
----Thumbnail arpebbi
---Finger sempi
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Side popapitabi
--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--Front jubipi
--Left blumperbap
--Right porpubat
--Bottom (lower) purpa
--Top (upper) pimpampi
-Orifices
--anus parpab
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More:
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
clitoris: pubi
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Soap
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Joined: 16 Feb 2003
Location: Soapatopia
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject:

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THC wrote:
What's the name of your conlang?
Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Quote:
Why more than one word?
The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually. Is this all going to a database somewhere or are you just curious?

cromulant wrote:
Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?
Yes. Pabappa started as a jokelang three years ago, but I got too attached to it to let it remain as such.

== I think Kuvdamos and Soap are the same person? ==
Author: Kuvdamos

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
-Blood vessel tamapop
--Artery tamap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pansa
--Skin perebi
--Muscle soppi
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
--Blood tapema
-Trunk (torso) sumpobi
--Chest pammum
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
---Stomach pemarapupi
---Liver pabapi
---Spleen barrampi
---Intestines wampupi
--Waist pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Hair wesum
---Ear uma, sobopi
----Earhole umabosadepi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Iris pispadapi
-----Pupil pispaliapi
-----Sclera no word yet
----Eyebrow pisamblesum
----Eyelid osinipi
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
----Eye socket opposadepi
----Tear gland liblapampi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Nostril taposadepi
---Mouth popopi
----Jaw poposopi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Tongue blampi
--Limb pemia
---Arm pemia
----Shoulder maba
----Elbow pemiabimbra
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
---Leg pampipi
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Knee pimbra
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
----Shin no word yet
----Foot aspi
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
---Nail ebbi
----Fingernail ebbi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
----Thumbnail arpebbi
---Finger sempi
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Side popapitabi
--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--Front jubipi
--Left blumperbap
--Right porpubat
--Bottom (lower) purpa
--Top (upper) pimpampi
-Orifices
--anus parpab
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More:
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
clitoris: pubi
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Thanks.
What's the name of your conlang?

Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Ear uma, sobopi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Why more than one word?
In some cases, viz.
Kuvdamos wrote:

--Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem

it looks like you need a phrase to distinguish from some other body-part;
but in some cases, viz.
Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Ear uma, sobopi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

it looks like you have more than one term which are interpretable by the same "English" term.
In the latter cases, is that because your conlang makes a distinction "English" doesn't (actually, that I didn't?)
Or do you have two different synonyms? In which case when is it appropriate to use the one, and when the other?

Kuvdamos wrote:

-----Sclera no word yet
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Shin no word yet
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet

Fine. Not all languages have words for these. Yours may end up needing phrases for some of these.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----testicle lespapi (plural only)

Fine. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

OK. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Eyebrow pisamblesum
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)

That's fine, probably.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?

Yes!
I have edited it.
Do you have a word for "thigh" in your conlang?

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== Drem ==
Author: doctrellor
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:34 pm

I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail

like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on

so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem

I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..
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Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?

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doctrellor wrote:

TomHChappell wrote:

Does your conlang ... use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail
like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on
so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem
I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

Thanks. I look forward to it.
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== Zevino'shoma ==
Author: Goza Lesha
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:26 pm

(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.

These are the ones I have words for:

Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

== Muphridian ==
Author: Goza Lesha
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:26 pm

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:

Body Body
-Blood vessel Bleed Vessel
--Artery Artery
--Vein Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Bone
--Skin Skin
--Muscle Muscle
--Fat Fat
--Blood Bleed
-Trunk (torso) Torso
--Chest Chest
---Heart Heart
---Lung Lung
--Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly
---Stomach Stomach
---Liver Liver
---Spleen Sploon
---Intestines Intestines
--Waist Waist
-Neck Neck
-Extremity Extremity
--Head Hed
---Hair Hair
---Ear Ear
----Earhole Ear Canal
---Eye Eye
----Eyeball Eyeball
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupil
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Eyebrow
----Eyelid Eyelid
-----Eyelash Eyelash
----Eye socket Eye socket
----Tear gland Tear Gland
---Nose Nose
----Nostril Nostril
---Mouth Mouth
----Jaw Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw
----Tooth Tooth
-----Incisor Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar
----Tongue Tongue
--Limb Limb
---Arm Arm
----Shoulder Shoulder
----Elbow Elbow
----Wrist Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm
----Lower Arm Lower Arm
----Hand Hand
-----Palm Palm
---Leg Leg
----Hip Hip
----Knee Knoo
----Ankle Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg
----Shin Shin
----Foot Foot
-----Sole Sole
-----Ball Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit
---Nail Nail
----Fingernail Fingernail
----Toenail Toenail
---Toe Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe
----Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe
----Other toes? Toes
---Thumb Thumb
----Thumbnail Thumbnail
---Finger Finger
----Index finger Index Finger
----Pinky finger Pinky Finger
----Middle finger Middle Finger
----Ring finger Ring Finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals
---female Female
----vagina Vagina
----womb Womb
---male Male
----penis Penis
----testicle Testicle
-Side Side
--Back Back
--Front Front
--Left Left
--Right Right
--Bottom (lower) Bottom
--Top (upper) Top
-Orifices Orifices
--anus Anus
--urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

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Sploon! Fabulous! (But shouldn't it be weemb?)
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== (don't know name of scwhatever's conlang) ==
Author: schwhatever
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:15 pm

Wow, I've got almost nothing....

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis)
eye - simah
eyes - soemaef
lip - zilh
muscle - hacaz (also means meat)
fat - jeikosc
throat - vezop
genitalia - vuseis
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Goza Lesha wrote:

(For Zevino'shoma)
This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.
These are the ones I have words for:
Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

Great! Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote:

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:
Body Body
-Blood vessel Bleed Vessel
--Artery Artery
--Vein Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Bone
--Skin Skin
--Muscle Muscle
--Fat Fat
--Blood Bleed
-Trunk (torso) Torso
--Chest Chest
---Heart Heart
---Lung Lung
--Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly
---Stomach Stomach
---Liver Liver
---Spleen Sploon
---Intestines Intestines
--Waist Waist
-Neck Neck
-Extremity Extremity
--Head Hed
---Hair Hair
---Ear Ear
----Earhole Ear Canal
---Eye Eye
----Eyeball Eyeball
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupil
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Eyebrow
----Eyelid Eyelid
-----Eyelash Eyelash
----Eye socket Eye socket
----Tear gland Tear Gland
---Nose Nose
----Nostril Nostril
---Mouth Mouth
----Jaw Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw
----Tooth Tooth
-----Incisor Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar
----Tongue Tongue
--Limb Limb
---Arm Arm
----Shoulder Shoulder
----Elbow Elbow
----Wrist Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm
----Lower Arm Lower Arm
----Hand Hand
-----Palm Palm
---Leg Leg
----Hip Hip
----Knee Knoo
----Ankle Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg
----Shin Shin
----Foot Foot
-----Sole Sole
-----Ball Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit
---Nail Nail
----Fingernail Fingernail
----Toenail Toenail
---Toe Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe
----Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe
----Other toes? Toes
---Thumb Thumb
----Thumbnail Thumbnail
---Finger Finger
----Index finger Index Finger
----Pinky finger Pinky Finger
----Middle finger Middle Finger
----Ring finger Ring Finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals
---female Female
----vagina Vagina
----womb Womb
---male Male
----penis Penis
----testicle Testicle
-Side Side
--Back Back
--Front Front
--Left Left
--Right Right
--Bottom (lower) Bottom
--Top (upper) Top
-Orifices Orifices
--anus Anus
--urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

Weird! Thanks. I look forward to seeing what the diachronic relationship to English is.

schwhatever wrote:

Wow, I've got almost nothing....

I've got you beat; I've got exactly nothing!

schwhatever wrote:

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis)
eye - simah
eyes - soemaef
lip - zilh
muscle - hacaz (also means meat)
fat - jeikosc
throat - vezop
genitalia - vuseis

What's the name of your conlang?

schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah
eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it?
I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

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Thanks, schwhatever.
Thanks, everyone.

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== Mèlw ==
Author: Radagast
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:30 am

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)
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Radagast wrote:

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

That's the kind of thing I wanted to know about.
What's the answer for Mèlw?

Radagast wrote:

Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes

Thanks.

Radagast wrote:

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

Interesting!
Thanks.

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Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.
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== Vernaclerian ==
Author: Delalyra
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:23 pm

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."
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Terran humans for this: (Muphridian language)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Brain

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== Palhàwan ==
Author: Raluv
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:56 pm

I have a few in Palhàwan:

body - ë̀yro
head - ë̀yròi
hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar
mouth - lhàma
nose - tìa
eye - àsþol
ear - fazs
tooth - b̀àma
tongue )- dàðel
neck - wonh
arm - telumàrel
hand - telùmar
knee - wòxin
leg - wòxel
foot - woxh
heart - selùmel
skin -nìam
blood -mìrim

Seat of Life:
Head

Seat of Emotion:
Heart

Seat of Consciousness:
Head

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Radagast wrote:

Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

THC wrote:

What's the name of your conlang?

Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Quote:

Why more than one word?

The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

Kind of what I thought. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually.

Let us know? Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Is this all going to a database somewhere

I wish!

Kuvdamos wrote:

or are you just curious?

'Fraid so.
My own computer has no internet connection; "my" internet connection is not on my own computer. It takes more technical skill than I have been able to acquire as yet to put all this in a database someplace. But, if Janko can do it, I should be able to as well, shouldn't I? I just don't know how.

Delalyra wrote:

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

Interesting; thanks.
(I have been told -- I don't know whether it's true -- that in "modern western" societies, men tend to see certain parts of their bodies as the "center of their sexual attractiveness", whereas women OTOH see each and every part of their bodies as the "center(?) of their sexual attractiveness". Your Vernaclerians' thinking that each part of their body is the "seat of life" sounds a little like the latter. But do they feel that way about hair and nails? And excretions such as sweat and saliva and earwax?)

Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this:
(Muphridian language)
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

Raluv wrote:

I have a few in Palhàwan:
body - ë̀yro
head - ë̀yròi
hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar
mouth - lhàma
nose - tìa
eye - àsþol
ear - fazs
tooth - b̀àma
tongue )- dàðel
neck - wonh
arm - telumàrel
hand - telùmar
knee - wòxin
leg - wòxel
foot - woxh
heart - selùmel
skin -nìam
blood -mìrim

Seat of Life: Head
Seat of Emotion: Heart
Seat of Consciousness: Head

Thanks.
"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they?
"wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they?
Are there other relationships I've missed?
Thanks again.

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== Socialese ==
Author: Eddy
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:44 am

Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:08 pm

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Here u go

Conworld site

== (don't know name of Oric's conlang) ==
Author: Oric
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:48 pm

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TomHChappell wrote:
...I...have ...penis

By the way, what city are you from? SE is nowhere close to where I visit- I go to West Branch (the smiley-face city) annually.
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== Gevey ==
Author: Rik
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:55 pm

Gevey does better than I expected on body parts - lots of words/concepts still missing, though. Most of these words have been generated to meet various translation exercise requirements:

Simple animate status body parts:
aelne (aeln) ear
bazhjarhe (bazhjarh) thumb
bazhve (bazhev) finger
becye (beceey) skin
khuane (khuant) womb
me'he (met) throat
shaawe (shaawg) hand
shkipe (shkip) heart
shlune (shlum) nose, snout
slofre (slofehr) head
wanhe (wang) eye
woole (wool) face, visage
yeetse (yeetes) tongue
zwi'he (zwit) blood

Inanimate status body parts:
cesuu (cesk) body, torso
drestuu (drest) forehead
ezekuu (ezek) foot, paw
friskuu (frisk) guts, intestines
ghimuu (ghim) muscle
grupuu (grup) hair, fur, wool
joejuu (joej) leg
koguu (kog) bone
osucuu (osuc) stomach, belly
poyuu (poy) chin
raekhwuu (raekhouwg) shoulder
rhuuluu (rhuul) tooth
shewuu (shewg) back, saddle
shnaathuu (shnaath) placenta
storuu (stor) chest
ubulhuu (ubul) neck
vroiduu (vroid) arm
zdanuu (zdant) skull

Body products (all inanimate status):
thakluu becyizhuu (yuu becyizhuu thakel) spot, zit
ma'haelhuu (ma'hael) urine, piss
ma'haelhuu zdanizhuu (yuu zdanizhuu ma'hael) phlegm
mabecyuu (mabeceey) sweat
zwibecyuu (zwibeceey) scab

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Delalyra
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject:

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daryush wrote:
amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.
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Whimemsz
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject:

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daryush wrote:
Here u go

That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?
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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

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Delalyra wrote:

daryush wrote:

amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.

Whimemsz wrote:

daryush wrote:

Here u go

That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?

What they said. Amazing, Turkish-oid, all of it.

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject:

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It was originally an auxlang for Turkish before I decided to build a conworld around it ... so yeah, its absurdly heavily influenced (there is quite a bit of con- in it, though )

Thanks for the comments btw
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Goza Lesha
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this:
(Muphridian language)
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

I don't have much of the history of the Muphridian language (or the Muphridians), but there is a general overview there of the history, and the language here: http://scjuwiki.azivelar.net/wiki/Muphridian_Language. (under construction)

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schwhatever
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Joined: 14 Aug 2006
Location: NorCal
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
What's the name of your conlang?

Faranit. Although there is a little ambiguity.

TomHChappell wrote:
schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah
eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

It's left over from an older plural system similar to German's lengthening system. I haven't worked out the specifics yet, unfortunately. It irregular, but with some method to its madness, as you can see the remnents of the earlier plural system, but also a worn down version of the later -(I/E)b system.

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schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it?
I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

Maybe? It was buried in my lexicon and I thought I might as well...

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schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

No, it's the same.

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schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

Thanks.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject:

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MustangDan15
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:41 pm Post subject:

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Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.
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Sano
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject:

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MustangDan15 wrote:
Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.
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TomHChappell
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Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject:

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Thanks, Sano.

Sano wrote:

MustangDan15 wrote:
Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.

Qatama: English:

anaq head
anuq ear(s)
ongo eye(s)
okota heart
toru back
taruya hip/waist
tara belly/stomach
utar chest/breast
nogra feet/toes
anuja leg
udan hand/arm
qongo joint
gan bone
gua mouth/face
ogua facial hair
uha skin
udanju fingers/knuckles
dong nose
g'tla shoulder
qono muscle
anaqra neck
guata teeth
guaja tongue
unuq hair

-Khang

1) Did I do that right?

2) Why did you quote yourself?
2a) Apparently you had already answered this question in some other post. Where? and what post?

3) The word "nogra feet/toes" reminds me a bit of Russian; but the rest of the list doesn't remind me of any language in particular. Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Again, Thanks.
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Sano
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject:

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Quote:
Did I do that right?

Better than I did.

Quote:
Why did you quote yourself?, Where?

ease, CBB

Quote:
Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Not at all.
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sintau.tayua
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Joined: 17 Mar 2006
Location: Taranaki (taradise!)
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

1) the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

2)The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

3) The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

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Old Man Neek
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Joined: 30 Sep 2002
Location: im itësin
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.

The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.

The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:
* A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
* An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
* Direction.

This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.

The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.

When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.

Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.

I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

[Edit]Dumb grammar.
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Raluv
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Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Kansas
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject:

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Quote:

"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they?
"wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they?
Are there other relationships I've missed?

The suffix "-el" means something like "the source of." So "telùmar" is hand, and "telumàrel" is literally "hand source", or the arm. With "woxh," which is foot, the h is silent and then dropped when the suffix is added making "wòxel," or leg. "Wòxin" is foot with the suffix for what equates to "middle." There are a few more like "ë̀ro" and "ë̀roi" for body and head. "ërotelùmar," meaning hair, is also related believe it or not, to hand, literally meaning "little hands."

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Radioguy
Mey

Joined: 19 Aug 2006
Location: Golden Temple, Bham
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject:

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I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!
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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject:

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Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no;
it just slipped my mind completely!
I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started.
The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

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Radioguy
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Joined: 19 Aug 2006
Location: Golden Temple, Bham
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no;
it just slipped my mind completely!
I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started.
The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

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It's awwwwwwwwwwwwwright
I should have my post here by the end of the week.
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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject:

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Radioguy wrote:

I should have my post here by the end of the week.

I'm still looking forward to it.
Thanks.
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bulbaquil
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Joined: 17 Nov 2006

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject:

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Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman)
tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`]
tongue - šuun [s`u:n]
alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L]
palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h]
velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm]
uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx]
glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875
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Boskobènet
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Joined: 14 Aug 2006
Location: Somewhere north of Dixieland
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject:

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I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s)
gums
palate
uvula
throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing)
throat, thrachea, windpipe
breast, tit, teat
nipple
belly button
tendon
forehead
temple
bladder
calf
butt, buttocks, ass/arse
pelvis
spine, backbone
skull
rib(s) / ribcage

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?
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Turtlehead
Šalea

Joined: 07 May 2005
Location: Aotearoa
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Body Kanana
-Blood vessel aka
--Artery akala
--Vein akawana
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone ohakao
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala
--Skin lamaha
--Muscle kako
--Fat lapala
--Blood koko
-Trunk (torso) koho
--Chest hahaka
---Heart 'alona
---Lung lana
--Abdomen or Belly po'o
---Stomach 'ahakalo
---Liver lawala
---Spleen hapalana
---Intestines po'oloko
--Waist hopa
-Neck na'a
-Extremity
--Head opo'o
---Hair ma'awa
---Ear kalana
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye 'alo
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose aho
----Nostril
---Mouth waha
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm lana
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg wawa
----Hip
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--genitalia
---female
----vagina kala
----womb halapapa
---male
----penis ola
----testicle paopao
-Side kaha
--Back mola
--Front moa
--Left maoa
--Right makao
--Bottom (lower) lalo
--Top (upper) lona
--anus anoho
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Arunaza
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Joined: 16 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:26 am Post subject:

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Sdannískr

Lihhámr (body)
-Flǽskr (flesh)
--Bǽnr (bone)
--Flǽskr (flesh)
--Kríǥr (strength--muscle)
--Tálgr (fat)
--Bloðís (blood)
-Búlr (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso)
--Bármr (chest)
---Hǽrto (heart)
---Lúnǥwr (lung)
---Brýstr (breast)
--Hrǽfr (abdomen)
--Gérþ (waist)
-Hálsr (neck)
-Strǽkætiwr (limbs, lit. "extendeds")
--Hǿvuð (head)
---Hǽrr (hair)
---Ǿro (ear)
---Ǿǥa (eye)
----Bréhwo (eyelash)
---Snútr (nose)
---Múnþr (mouth)
----Kǿko (jaw)
----Tánþr (tooth)
----Túngo (tongue)
--Lím (limb)
---Ármr (harm)
----Sklúðro (shoulder)
----Wrístr (wrist)
----Múndr (hand)
-----Lófr (palm)
---Hýpr (hip)
---Kníw (knee)
---Ánkulwr (ankle)
---Þýhr (thigh)
---Skíno (shin)
---Fót (foot)
----Lǽstr (sole)
----Hahílr (heel)
--Fíngrr (toe or thumb or finger)
---Tǽhwo (toe)
---Ðúmo (thumb)
--Grúnd (groin)
--Fúlwatos (genitals/groin area, lit. "hiddens")
---Blédr (bladder)
---Ársr (butt)
----Arskúlr (anus)
---Kwénir (woman)
----Slít (vagina)
----Wámb (womb)
---Mánnr (man)
----Sǽkkr (scrotum)
----Fýrnr (penis)
----Bállukr (testicle)
-Síðo (side)
--Hrýng (back)
--Fǿro (front)
--Hlǿmr (left)
--Ríhtr (right)
--Bóð (bottom)
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Body - elwer - ellor
-Blood vessel - uía - clœya
--Artery - súloŋ
--Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed
--Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha
--Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@]
--Muscle - deuma - tóimma
--Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj]
--Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@]
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest - ámos
---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w]
---Lung - sválode - sbállod
--Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm
---Stomach - byallo - beáll
---Liver - bóyar - póughar
---Spleen - quellego
---Pancreas - felgeustar
---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@]
--Waist
-Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l]
-Extremity
--Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn]
---Hair - fille - híll
---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]
----Earhole
----Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma
---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]
----Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)
-----Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]
-----Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth
----Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth
-----Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag
----Eye socket - sattuce
----Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)
---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg
----Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog
---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga
----Jaw - vaugo - vóugh
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo
-----Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo
----Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág
-----Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)
----Tongue - maiga - máigga
--Limb
---Arm - lámo - láom
----Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]
----Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]
----Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]
-----Palm - yéna
---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]
----Hip - rωbe - rúaibh
----Knee - nébos - néobhas
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]
-----Sole - sumba
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-
----Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)
----Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)
---Toe - derdon
---Thumb - duntice
---Finger - dún - tún
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female - quenwe
----vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)
----womb - urwa - urbha
---male - donya
----penis - litto - líott [Lit]
----testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh
-Orifices
--anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis
pus - peugema
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bulbaquil wrote:

Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman)
tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`]
tongue - šuun [s`u:n]
alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L]
palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h]
velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm]
uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx]
glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s)
gums
palate
uvula
throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing)
throat, thrachea, windpipe
breast, tit, teat
nipple
belly button
tendon
forehead
temple
bladder
calf
butt, buttocks, ass/arse
pelvis
spine, backbone
skull
rib(s) / ribcage

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?

"Breast" might not apply to non-mammals.
Nevertheless it should be included. Thanks for bringing it up.
"Ass/arse" should obviously apply to nearly any animal, even sea-squirts.
Thanks for including it.

Turtlehead wrote:

Body Kanana
-Blood vessel aka
--Artery akala
--Vein akawana
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone ohakao
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala
--Skin lamaha
--Muscle kako
--Fat lapala
--Blood koko
-Trunk (torso) koho
--Chest hahaka
---Heart 'alona
---Lung lana
--Abdomen or Belly po'o
---Stomach 'ahakalo
---Liver lawala
---Spleen hapalana
---Intestines po'oloko
--Waist hopa
-Neck na'a
-Extremity
--Head opo'o
---Hair ma'awa
---Ear kalana
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye 'alo
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose aho
----Nostril
---Mouth waha
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm lana
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg wawa
----Hip
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--genitalia
---female
----vagina kala
----womb halapapa
---male
----penis ola
----testicle paopao
-Side kaha
--Back mola
--Front moa
--Left maoa
--Right makao
--Bottom (lower) lalo
--Top (upper) lona
--anus anoho

Interesting! Thanks.

Arunaza wrote:

Svannískar

Lik-hámar (body)
-Flǽskar (flesh)
--Bǽnar (bone)
--Flǽskar (flesh)
--Krígar (strength--muscle)
--Tálgar (fat)
--Bloðísøam (blood)
-Búlar (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso)
--Bármar (chest)
---Hérto (heart)
---Lúnġwar (lung)
--Hrǽfir (abdomen)
--Gérþu (waist)
-Hálsar (neck)
-Strǽkætiwir (limbs, lit. "extendeds")
--Haúbuðam (head)
---Hǽrar (hair)
---Aúro (ear)
---Aúġa (eye)
----Bréhwo (eyelash)
---Snútar (nose)
---Múnþar (mouth)
----Kaúko (jaw)
----Tánþar (tooth)
----Túngo (tongue)
--Límu (limb)
---Ármar (harm)
----Sklúðro (shoulder)
----Urístir (wrist)
----Múndar (hand)
-----Lófar (palm)
---Hýpir (hip)
---Kníwam (knee)
---Ánkulwar (ankle)
---Þýhar (thigh)
---Skíno (shin)
---Fótam (foot)
----Lǽstar (sole)
----Hahílar (heel)
--Fíngrar (toe or thumb or finger)
---Tǽhwo (toe)
---Ðúmo (thumb)
--Fúlwatar (genitals, lit. "hiddens")
---Kwénir (woman)
----Slítam (vagina)
----Wámbam
---Mánnar (man)
----Fýrnir (penis)
----Bállukar (testicle)
-Síðo (side)
--Hrýggam (back)
--Faúro (front)
--Hleúmar (left)
--Ríhtar (right)
--Bóðam (bottom)

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand.
Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

Waldkater wrote:

Body - elwer - ellor
-Blood vessel - uía - clœya
--Artery - súloŋ
--Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed
--Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha
--Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@]
--Muscle - deuma - tóimma
--Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj]
--Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@]
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest - ámos
---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w]
---Lung - sválode - sbállod
--Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm
---Stomach - byallo - beáll
---Liver - bóyar - póughar
---Spleen - quellego
---Pancreas - felgeustar
---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@]
--Waist
-Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l]
-Extremity
--Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn]
---Hair - fille - híll
---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]
----Earhole
----Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma
---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]
----Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)
-----Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]
-----Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth
----Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth
-----Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag
----Eye socket - sattuce
----Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)
---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg
----Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog
---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga
----Jaw - vaugo - vóugh
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo
-----Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo
----Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág
-----Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)
----Tongue - maiga - máigga
--Limb
---Arm - lámo - láom
----Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]
----Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]
----Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]
-----Palm - yéna
---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]
----Hip - rωbe - rúaibh
----Knee - nébos - néobhas
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]
-----Sole - sumba
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-
----Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)
----Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)
---Toe - derdon
---Thumb - duntice
---Finger - dún - tún
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female - quenwe
----vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)
----womb - urwa - urbha
---male - donya
----penis - litto - líott [Lit]
----testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh
-Orifices
--anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis
pus - peugema

Thanks for mentioning them.
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Waldkater wrote:

English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand.
Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

ohh... sorry -
Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial")
but i was too lazy later
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Radioguy wrote:
I should have my post here by the end of the week.

@Radioguy, did you ever post here?

Waldkater wrote:
Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial") but i was too lazy later

Thanks. Do you have any more you'd like to show us now?
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Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!

Head - dú
Nose - amar
Eye - škíol
Mouth - armu
Ear - níu
Chin - va
Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd
Throat / Neck - damá

Shoulder - issun
Chest / Stomach - núa
Sides - gatod
Back - rammrót
Hip / Waist - fúv

Arm / Leg - skaro
Back of arm / Back of leg - orga
Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét
Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull
Finger / Toe - ram
Knee / Elbow - aitait

Flaccid penis - pelúa
Erect penis - lakkuš
Scrotum / Testes - ssap
'Gooch' - emrát
Vagina - tlaš a feu
Anus - tlaš
Buttock - mappíok
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cromulant wrote:
My word for arm is khaib. I'll get back to you on all the others.

@Cromulant; Did you get back to us on the others yet? Or, how much of it is available elsewhere? and, if any, where?
Thanks.

doctrellor wrote:
I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail, like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on, so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem. I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

@Doc; Did you post a list for Drem? Or is one available somewhere else? Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote:
(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.
These are the ones I have words for:
Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:
---SNIP Muphridian---

@Goza Lesha; Thanks for the Muphridian. Thanks also for as much of the Zevino'shoma as you've posted. Do you have anything on-line telling about their anatomy? Or other interesting things about them?
In re the Zevino'shoma bodyparts, you said "I'll come back for the rest later". Have you some more bodypart terms for them available somewhere?
Thanks.

Radagast wrote:
Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.
...
Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes
...
(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

@Radagast; thanks. (Radagast the Brown, right?)
Do you have more Mèlw terms online somewhere? Or that you'd like to post here?

Delalyra wrote:
Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

@Delalyra; What else can you tell us about Vernaclerian bodypart terms etc.?

Eddy wrote:
Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

@Eddy; Do you have anything else you think we'd like to see yet?

sintau.tayua wrote:
The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

@sintau.tayua; What else do you know about Psinu that probably belongs on this thread?
Thanks.

Old Man Neek wrote:
TomHChappell wrote:

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.
The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.
The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:
* A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
* An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
* Direction.
This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.
The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.
When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.
Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.
I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

@You, Neek ('cause there is only one of you); Oh, yes, it surely does help; thanks. Have you been able to expand the vocabulary yet to any other names of organs that you'd like us to see? If so, where can we look for them?

-Klaivas- wrote:
Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!
Head - dú
Nose - amar
Eye - škíol
Mouth - armu
Ear - níu
Chin - va
Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd
Throat / Neck - damá
Shoulder - issun
Chest / Stomach - núa
Sides - gatod
Back - rammrót
Hip / Waist - fúv
Arm / Leg - skaro
Back of arm / Back of leg - orga
Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét
Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull
Finger / Toe - ram
Knee / Elbow - aitait
Flaccid penis - pelúa
Erect penis - lakkuš
Scrotum / Testes - ssap
'Gooch' - emrát
Vagina - tlaš a feu
Anus - tlaš
Buttock - mappíok

Thanks, -Klaivas-.
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".
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The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif
Hand kamr
Eye axr
Tongue lis
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-Klaivas-
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:30 am Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
Haha, but of course they (I) do What else would I call it? Area-between-anus-and-front-genetalia ( etde-om-tlašos-om-[pelúas/lakkušos/tlaš-a-feus] ) ?
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:51 am Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".

When I was growing up, the male version was a "choad." (Hrm, can't blame that on regional differences either, can I?) But since then I've been introduced to the word "taint" ('t ain't one end and 't ain't the other) which appears to be gender-neutral.
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:56 am Post subject:

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nebula wind phone wrote:
the male version was a "choad."
I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a penis which is wider than it is long".

Also, use thy "t"s consistently! 'T ain't one end and 't ain't t' other
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject:

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-Klaivas- wrote:
What else would I call it?

Perineum. Having kids introduces you to vocabulary you never knew existed.
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TomHChappell
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject:

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Amsel wrote:
The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif
Hand kamr
Eye axr
Tongue lis

You're doing well in other semantic fields; and in this one you're at least four ahead of me.
Thanks.
We'll be looking forward to seeing/hearing your expanded list.
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject:

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-Klaivas- wrote:
nebula wind phone wrote:
the male version was a "choad."
I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a which is wider than it is long".

Well, I wasn't "brought up" with the term, but I'd seen "choad" used to mean "jism" (or "semen" or "seed" or "ejaculate"(the noun)).
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject:

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Has anyone got anything new?
Has anyone who hasn't posted yet got anything responsive to the first 10 or 15 posts?
Has anyone who has already posted got anything new they haven't posted yet that fits in with the first 10 or so posts?
Does anyone want to change anything?
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What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?
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No offense, but I think nearly everyone will vote to let it die. It's not that it's not a great thread, it's just that hey, if we do it for this thread, why not 99 others? And then the museum would just be hard to browse though. I saved the thread to my hard drive though.
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So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject:

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Wycoval wrote:
So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

booger slide?
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?

I was happy to move the kinterms thread to the Museum because it contains some very useful information on the way different languages divide up the "kinship space" differently and how this correlates to cultural factors. I can't see any corresponding justification for indexing this thread; it's a nice collection, but it is just a collection of vocabulary from our conlangs.
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Wycoval wrote:
So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

A Uvula. Remember Google is your friend!

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject:

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Sorry, no.
The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

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Soap
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

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Philtrum.
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Philtrum.

Obviously, we need to find a better English word for it. None of this Latiny-Greeky nonsense.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject:

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Cénárol

nava- foot (pl. navam)*
paldo- hand (pl. paldom)*
qar'ta- finger
hir'da- head
ristai- arm (pl. ristím)**
nif- leg (pl. nífu)*

*NOTE: These terms are pluralized in the dual form only, unless when referenced in a group of people

**NOTE: Cénárol sound rule- ai>í
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Serali
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject:

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Rav Shimon wrote:
Sorry, no.
The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

Oh then I have no idea what he's talking about nor what it looks like.

EDIT: Now that I've seen the pic I know what it is and what it looks like. Now I have a question:

What purpose does it serve?

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boy #12
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Serali wrote:
What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.
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Here are the words for body parts I have for Terpish so far:

Bol — belly
Jok — eye
Klit — clitoris
Kof — head
Kor — heart
Liöshan — brain
Mumbe — butt
Piej — foot

Naturally, the Terps understand biology well enough to understand the appropriate place for the seat of emotion and consciousness (the brain).
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boy #12 wrote:
Serali wrote:
What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

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Rav Shimon
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:00 am Post subject:

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Serali wrote:
WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

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Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

Soap wrote:

--Fat blampilpim

lol

Sorry, I didn't intend to be mean, that word just sounds funny. Blampilpim.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Qwynegold wrote:
What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.
-Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle."
-The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye.
-The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg.
-"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc.
-The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."
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Ok, here's a tricky question*: where's the canthus?

*extra points if you don't use wikipedia.
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Rav Shimon wrote:
Serali wrote:
WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

Thanks! Never knew that!

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject:

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Eddy wrote:
Klit — clitoris

Now why would they have borrowed this word?

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Now why would they have borrowed this word?

Same reason why English did? Actually, I was lazy and didn't feel like coining a new word at the time (happens a lot with Terpish).
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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boy #12 wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:
What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.
-Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle."
-The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye.
-The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg.
-"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc.
-The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."

Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Qwynegold wrote:
Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.
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In Zali ["Zali]

Body tem [tEm]
-Blood vessel
--Artery
--Vein
-Material of which it is composed pu [pu] (just means "stuff", "material")
--Bone zaik [Zajk]
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
--Skin
--Muscle mad [mad]
--Fat
--Blood eik [Ejk]
-Trunk (torso) jul [dZUl]
--Chest bus [bUS]
---Heart
---Lung
--Abdomen or Belly taun [tawn]
---Stomach
---Liver
---Spleen
---Intestines
--Waist edil ["EdIl]
-Neck stiv [StIv]
-Extremity
--Head pok [pOk]
---Hair iki ["iki] (= hair on head), tal [tal] (= hair on body, fur, general word for hair)
---Ear cok [tSOk]
----Earhole cokdvad ["tSOkdvad]
----Earlobe?
---Eye og [Og]
----Eyeball ogwel ["OgwEl]
-----Iris
-----Pupil ognol ["OgnOl] (= "eyeblack")
-----Sclera ogaigu ["Ogajgu] (= "eyewhite")
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash ogtal ["Ogtal] (= "eyehair")
----Eye socket ogdvad ["Ogdvad] (= "eyehole")
----Tear gland
---Nose penk [pENk]
----Nostril penkdvad ["pENkdvad]
---Mouth sab [Sab] (= externally visible part of the mouth, ie. the lips), cik [tSIk] (= oral cavity)
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth (!I think I had a word for this, but lost it when I lost my dictionary)
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue lamil ["lamIl]
--Limb
---Arm cad [tSad]
----Shoulder zut [ZUt]
----Elbow cadwelik ["tSadwElIk] (= "armjoint")
----Wrist logwelik ["lOgwElIk] (= "handjoint")
----Humerus (upper arm) yalcad ["jaltSad] (= "toparm")
----Lower Arm loncad ["lOntSad] (= "bottomarm")
----Hand log [lOg]
-----Palm
---Leg duk [dUk]
----Hip pois [pOjS]
----Knee dukwelik ["dUkwElIk] (= "legjoint")
----Ankle dezwelik ["dEZwElIk] (= "footjoint")
----Thigh (upper leg) yalduk ["jaldUk]
----Shin hilag ["hilag] (= shin, bony part at front), oboz ["ObOZ] (= calf, muscular part at back), lenduk ["lEndUk] (= "bottomleg")
----Foot dez [dEZ]
-----Sole dezlen ["dEZlEn] (= "footbottom")
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) ix [Its]
---Nail vask [vaSk]
----Fingernail log(ix)vask ["lOg(Its)vaSk] (= "hand(digit)nail")
----Toenail dez(ix)vask ["dEZ(Its)vaSk] (= "foot(digit)nail")
---Toe dezix ["dEZIts] (= "footdigit")
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) darix ["dazIts] (= "bigdigit"), dadezix ["dadEZIts] (= "bigfootdigit")
----Pinky toe or little toe posxirix ["pOStsizIts] (= "mostlittledigit")
----Other individual toes? xidezix ["tsidEZIts] (= "littlefootdigit")
---Thumb zadix ["ZadIts] (= "importantdigit")
----Thumbnail zadixvask ["ZadItsvaSk] (= "importantdigitnail")
---Finger logix ["lOgIts]
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---Female en [En]
----vagina munu ["munu]
----womb
---male az [aZ]
----penis wung [wUN]
----testicle
-Side vel
--Back (!don't remember offhand)
--Front (!don't remember offhand)
--Left
--Right
--Bottom (lower) len- ["lEn-]
--Top (upper) yal- ["jal-]
-Orifices
--anus dumfdvad ["dUmfdvad] (= "arsehole")
--urethral meatus?

Other
breast, boob bumba ["bUmba]
arse, buttocks, bum dumf ["dUmf]
skull pokzaik ["pOkZajk] (= "headbone")

As for the other questions - they are much like us, technologically and scientifically advanced, so they know the true function of each organ, but much like us, although they know the true situation, there still remain certain cultural attachments to organs. The heart and guts are the home of the emotions - the heart beats faster with just about any intense emotion, and when it gets even more intense, the stomach aches. Consciousness was associated with the eyes, although it then became associated with the brain because people who had lost their eyes still reported being conscious - the brain was the obvious choice, being behind the eyes, and able to see through them.
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Imralu
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject:

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boy #12 wrote:
I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

In my family, it was always called the "dribble drain", which kind of doesn't make sense, because ... um, gravity goes down, so ... I don't know.

Some guy in a pub told me one night that that was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ...
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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boy #12 wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:
Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.

OK, now I understand. Thx!
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Atalant wrote:
Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible

There are several conspecies around who cannot pronounce labials, and they don't seem to mind. Ollock's Xala, for a start.
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boy #12 wrote:
Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.

The oxygenation state is the other way round in the vessels going between the heart and the lungs. I dunno how it works before being born.

Oh, add "placenta" to the list if you want.
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Thanks, mavonduri, eddy, soap, imralu

Imralu wrote:
Some guy in a pub told me one night that that [the philtrum] was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ...
I heard that Plato or the Platonists said it was the "cavern angel" telling each newly-reborn soul not to tell any memories of its former lives.

So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list?
uvula
philtrum
artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart)
vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart)
portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart)
brain
back of the neck
front of the neck
back of the head
forehead
wisdom tooth
canthus
clitoris
breast
buttock
butt
skull
placenta
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Atalant wrote:
Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible
No philtrums on some Fetal Alcohol Syndrome people, but Ive never heard them have a problem with labial consonants.

I'll put up the Izda Mir body parts soon. (They'll be pretty similar to Pabappa's.)
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Here are the words in Lhueslue:

Body lu /lu:/ (human), rhu /ɻu:/ (animal)
-Blood vessel ueshie-echul /yʃə:etʃu:l/ (human), ueshie-echurh /yʃə:etʃuɻ/ (animal)
--Artery ueshie-echulxhe /yʃə:etʃulxe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhxhe /yʃə:etʃuɻxe:/ (animal)
--Vein ueshie-echulqe /yʃə:etʃulqe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhqe /yʃə:etʃuɻqe:/ (animal)
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pujchul /puʒtʃu:l/ (human), pujchurh /puʒtʃu: ɻ/ (animal)
--Gristle or cartilage pubchul /pubtʃu:l/ (human), pubchurh /pubtʃu: ɻ/ (animal)
--Skin xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonynous with front side of body), xhuchurh /xutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Muscle euchul /eutʃu:l/ (human), euchurh /eutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Fat bee-chulu /bɛ:tʃulu:/ (human), bee-churhu /bɛ:tʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Blood ueshie /yʃə:/
-Trunk (torso) yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Chest yuyuchulu /jujutʃulu:/ (human), yuxhuchurhu /juxutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
---Heart ije /iʒe:/
---Lung hichul /hitʃu:l/ (human), hichurh /hitʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Abdomen or Belly zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as stomach), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as stomach)
---Stomach zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as abdomen and belly), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as abdomen and belly)
---Liver ueshie-juch /yʃə:ʒutʃ/
---Spleen tyueshie-juch /tjyʃə:ʒutʃ/
---Intestines lhunyejuch /ðˡunjeʒutʃ/
--Waist ungtudlu /uŋtudlu:/ (human), ungtudrhu /uŋtudɻu:/ (animal)
-Neck huzchul /huztʃu:l/ (human), huzchurh /huztʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-Extremity chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as limb and bodypart), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as limb and bodypart)
--Head chyuel /tʃjy:l/ (human), chyuerh /tʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)
---Hair bochyul /botʃju:l/ (human), borh /bo:ɻ/ (animal, actually fur)
---Ear su /su:/
----Earhole sujung-ie /suʒuŋə:/
----Earlobe zungsu /zuŋsu:
---Eye wu /wu:/
----Eyeball wubuzuytud /wubuzujtu:d/
-----Iris wu-wuech /wu:wytʃ/
-----Pupil wu-miewuech /wu:məwytʃ/
-----Sclera wu-fwueh /wu:fwyh/
----Eyebrow boywu /bojwu:/
----Eyelid wuyeung /wujeuŋ/
-----Eyelash bowu /bowu:/
----Eye socket wujung-iechyuel /wuʒuŋətʃjy:l/ (human), wujung-iechyuerh /wuʒuŋətʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)
----Tear gland -
---Nose nyu /nju:/
----Nostril nyujung-ie /njuʒuŋə:/
---Mouth znu /znu:/
----Jaw zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) yuzuchyul /juzutʃju:l/ (human), yuzuchyurh /juzutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Mandible (lower jaw) zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human, same as jaw), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal, same as jaw)
----Tooth poznu /poznu:/
-----Incisor poznuxhu /poznuxu:/
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth poznupú /poznupǔ:/
-----Molar poznutud /poznutu:d/ (both molar and premolar), qupoznutud /qupoznutu:d/ (molar only)
-----Premolar xhupoznutud /xupoznutu:d/
----Tongue nub /nub/
--Limb/bodypart chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as extremity), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as extremity)
---Arm zyux /zjuχ/
----Shoulder xa /χa:/
----Elbow jungzyux /ʒuŋzjuχ/
----Wrist xua /χua/
----Humerus (upper arm) yux /juχ/
----Lower Arm zux /zuχ/
----Hand xu /χu:/
-----Palm xuz /χuz/
---Leg zechul /zetʃu:l/ (human), zechurh /zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Hip azuchulu /azutʃulu:/ (human), azuchurhu /azutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
----Knee jungzechul /ʒuŋzetʃu:l/ (human), jungzechurh /ʒuŋzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Ankle chae-pyuzechul /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-pyuzechurh /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Thigh (upper leg) yuzechul /juzetʃu:l/ (human), yuzechurh /juzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Shin -
----Foot chae-zechul /tʃæ:zetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zechurh /tʃæ:zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Sole chae-zuzechul /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zuzechurh /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Heel chae-quzechul /tʃæ:quzetʃu:l (human), chae-quzechurh /tʃæ:quzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Ball -
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) chochulu /tʃotʃulu:/ (human), chochurhu /tʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal)
---Nail puchochulu /putʃotʃulu:/ (human); puchochurhu /putʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal, also means claw)
----Fingernail puchoxu /putʃoχu:/
----Toenail puchozechul /putʃozetʃu:l/ (human)
---Toe chozechul /tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), chozechurh /tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) ochozechul /otʃozetʃu:l/ (human), ochozechurh /otʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Pinky toe or little toe oe-chozechul /ø:tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), oe-chozechurh /ø:tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Second toe chozechulowu /tʃozetʃulowu:/ (human), chozechurhowu /tʃozetʃuɻowu:/ (animal)
----Third toe chozechuloqaxh /tʃozetʃuloqa:χ/ (human), chozechurhoqaxh /tʃozetʃuɻoqa:χ/ (animal)
----Fourth toe chozechulo-rhuength /tʃozetʃulo:ɻyŋθ/ (human), chozechurho-rhuength /tʃozetʃuɻo:ɻyŋθ/ (animal)
---Thumb choxutud /tʃoχutu:d/ (human), choxu-oeue /tʃoχu:øy/ (animal)
----Thumbnail puchoxutud /putʃoχutu:d/
---Finger choxu /tʃoχu:/
----Index finger choxuowu /tʃoχuowu:/
----Pinky finger oe-choxu /ø:tʃoχu:/
----Middle finger choxuoqaxh /tʃoχuoqa:x/
----Ring finger choxuo-rhuength /tʃoχuoɻyŋθ/
--genitalia vichul /vitʃu:l/ (human), vichurh /vitʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
---female ci /ɕi:/
----vagina ciljung-ie /ɕilʒuŋə:/ (human), cirhjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋə:/ (animal)
----womb iájung-ie /iǎ:ʒuŋə:/
---male ri /ri:/
----penis vichri /vitʃri:/
----testicle buzuytudri /buzujtudri:/
-Side tud /tu:d/
--Back quchul /qutʃu:l/ (human), yuchurh /jutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Front xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonymous with skin), zuchurh /zutʃu:ɻ/ (animal, actually underside)
--Left tu /tu:/
--Right du /du:/
--Lower zuchulu (human) /zutʃulu:/, quchurhu /qutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Upper yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human, same as torso), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as torso)
-Orifices chulujung-ie /tʃuluʒuŋə:/ (human), churhujung-ie /tʃuɻuʒuŋə:/ (animal)
--anus jung-ieqae /ʒuŋəqæ:/
--urethral meatus vichrijung-ie /vitʃriʒuŋə:/ (male), ciljungjung-ie /ɕilʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (human, female) cirhjungjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (animal, female)

Heh! This is probably the only language that has three words for urethral meatus.

But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?
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Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a fully developed conlang with nearly as much /u/ as that. Is it because you just like /u/ or did you do it to set this language apart from others in your conworld?
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Heh! I didn't intend it to become so common from the beginning. In Lhueslue every phoneme bears a meaning and /u/ means material. As it happened, almost every noun gets an /u/.
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Thanks, Qwynegold.
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If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum?
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Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here. Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe. But the way it is now; nah.
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TomHChappell wrote:
Thanks, Qwynegold.
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If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum?

Your welcome. Oh, and I had some questions too:
Qwynegold wrote:
But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?

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Qwynegold wrote:
But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understand the picture.
Tears are the watery, salty secretion that keeps the eyes moist. The bulk of the refracting of light during focussing is done by a thin veil of tears; the lens just fine-tunes it. Tears also contain protein (and FAIK other biological ingredients); that is why it is necessary to clean contact lenses once a day.
When the eye is irritated the production and flow of tears is increased, to the point that they leak out of the eye; the usual result is to wash out whatever is irritating the eye. When someone weeps, they often over-produce tears this same way.
Tear-glands (aka lacrimal glands) are in the upper outer corners of the eyes. In the lower inner corners of the eyes are ducts that ordinarily take tears down into the nose; if the tear-glands aren't overproducing, this is where tears usually are disposed of.

Qwynegold wrote:
And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?
Just think either "bottom of body" and "top of body", or "lower half of body" and "upper half of body". If you want two pairs of terms, go ahead and provide both. Otherwise take your pick.

aardwolf wrote:
Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here.

If more people responded to the following questions, would it?

I wrote:
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

aardwolf wrote:
Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe.
Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?
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OK, I added upper and lower body to my post. I guess my conlang won't have a word for tear gland since it's something you can't see so the conpeople wouldn't know about it.
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TomHChappell wrote:
aardwolf wrote:
Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe.
Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?

I think you'd need things like discussion of (systematic) cultural associations (e.g. your original questions about the seat of emotion, etc.), strong cross-linguistic tendencies (always distinguishing certain body parts or not, words for the genitals being taboo/impolite), and derivation (e.g. how my conlang Old Gzho uses the same word for "arm" and "hand", but can also refer to the arm as the "hand-neck"). Also usage of body part terms for other things, i.e. verbal affixes, locative/directional expressions, etc. And investigating how changes to body structure would affect language, e.g. having no lips wouldn't just mean a lack of labial consonants - you also wouldn't be able to produce rounded vowels, which could have a big affect on the vowel inventory.
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I'm glad this thread is still around--I was thinking I might have to rederive all the Sdannískr body words, which would be irritating (and time-consuming, for that matter). I think this thread has just increased my new lexicon by half, or just about.
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I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.
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guitarplayer wrote:
I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.

Which items did you add? I'm pretty sure I included, or added, some of those; tear gland, upper and lower jaw, thigh, shin, two of the toes and "other individual toes?", and each of the fingers. I'm not sure what a shank is. I didn't include the calf, I don't think; I guess I should. I included the hips; I didn't distinguish the buttocks from the hips. I didn't get into internal organs that a layman couldn't tell were there and doing things without opening up the body; so that's why I left out the ovaries and the prostate, though I include the womb and the testes.

My last update on that was July 15 on Page 4.
TomHChappell wrote:
So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list?
uvula
philtrum
artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart)
vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart)
portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart)
brain
back of the neck
front of the neck
back of the head
forehead
wisdom tooth
canthus
clitoris
breast
buttock
butt
skull
placenta

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I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually
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My small dictionary has some basic body parts but nothing specific like artery.

ANKLE = TĀMA
ARM = RŌTA
BLOOD = PĀTA
CHEST = ShŌMĀ
ELBOW = JeĪTŌ

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guitarplayer wrote:
I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually :P
I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.
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TomHChappell wrote:
I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.

Ah, I see.

[edit] My list, so far [/edit]
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guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.
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TomHChappell wrote:
guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.

I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page.

*is puzzled*
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Rodlox wrote:
TomHChappell wrote:
guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.
I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page. *is puzzled*
If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to.
That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?
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TomHChappell wrote:
If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to.
That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?

I guess that my host doesn't allow direct linking to files other than HTML, just like Geocities. So much for free hosting.
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TomHChappell wrote:

That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?

not yet - *goes to try it*

thanks.
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I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:

For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use. Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.

People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. (I am thinking of Ilaksh in particular. How about it JQP? )
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What a smart idea!
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simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

simon.clarkstone wrote:
For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use.
For humans I don't believe more than 16 compass points in a plane are natural.
For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

simon.clarkstone wrote:
Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.
Are your Kigdatsi human?

simon.clarkstone wrote:
People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ...
Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject:

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Hel·lerà / Helleran

Body tol, estou

Blood guès
Blood vessel cabinyol guesetz “blood vessel”
Artery maxarva
Vein ôued

Bone tot
Cartilage martel•let
Skeleton gargamol, gaugamol

Skin fiu
Muscle rambe
Fat (corporal) lhud
Tendon tirant

Head pot, tuc, tuys, syet, arsyet (m), tuche, tutze (f)
Hair togès
Hair (a fiber) bli
Skull golag (m/f)
cranium raz
Neck lleg, nyoc

Ear onze, osye, oge
Earhole bosit na s’onze “hole of the ear”
Earlobe lhob na s’onze “lobe of the ear”

Eye oc, oig, uoc
Iris gavi
Pupil chelandé
Sclera bel na s’oc “white of the eye”; cýncolis (neolog)
Eyebrow tirse
Eyelid pedillou
Eyelash goume
Eye socket bou na s’oc “socket of the eye”
Tear gland dragole

Nose per
Nostril bosit nas per “hole of the nose”

Mouth tamà
Cheek guys
Jaw radagame (sg) or radagames (pl)
Maxilla (upper jaw) berosti
Mandible (lower jaw) carmazzi
Tooth gam
Incisor cartalh, gartalh “central incisor”; cartalet, gortalet “lateral incisor”
Eyetooth or Canine tooth anhac
Molar cheral “molar, second molar”; cheraló “first molar”
Tongue lheme. But "language, idiom" is lhambe
Lip jami

Trunk bros
Chest tor
Abdomen mablada
Belly beli
Lower abdomen naig beli “lower belly”; sabel

Heart lhò
Lung beloi
Stomach mansaghe
Liver sagé
Spleen vèdem
Intestines ganyalons (pl.)

Extremity, limb estighiu; espadelhe

Waist caradanç
Pelvis cadanche or tot nas caradanç “bone of the waist”
Buttock dabons (pl.) / dabó, bono and guys nas sat “cheek of the butt”
Bum, arse, butt sat
Hip bemuc
Leg (from hip to ankle) gambe
Thigh (upper leg, from hip to knee) gamays
Knee golde
Kneecap, patella gavanhol
Shank (lower leg, from knee to ankle) garme
Shin astanye
Calf tonsim na s’astanye “doughy part of the shin”
Ankle poghet
Foot pedh, madà
Heel garou
Sole mad

Shoulder espambelh (traditional), espemble (neolog)
Arm (from shoulder to wrist) ram
Arm (from shoulder to elbow) ramec
Elbow ajoc
Arm (from elbow to wrist) ramell
Wrist arbou
Hand badh
Palm pançou

Digit gartembi, cartempe (neolog)
Finger, toe ghez (traditional)
Toe (foot digit) ghez nas pedh “finger of the foot”
Finger (hand digit) ghez nas badh “finger of the hand”
Ball tonsim nas ghez “doughy part of the finger”
Thumb tigarembi, tigampó, garampó
Index finger ghez casarteu “managing/governative/guiding finger”
Middle finger ghez perís “middle finger”
Ring finger ghez nigançant “dependent finger”
Little finger ghez polzuc “small finger”

Genitalia zinyaroncs
Vagina begane
Womb gameu
Penis gozzi (traditional); felghe (neolog)
Testicle galló
Anus guada
Urethral meatus dragavàrie

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Does Helleran use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).

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Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of life?

Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of emotion?

The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of consciousness?

The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body.
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Rav Shimon
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TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

North
North-one-quarter-east
North-by-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-north
North-north-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-east
North-east-by-north
North-east-one-quarter-north
North-east
&c
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TomHChappell
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Rav Shimon wrote:

North
North-one-quarter-east
North-by-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-north
North-north-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-east
North-east-by-north
North-east-one-quarter-north
North-east
&c

Hmm. I thought halfway between North and North-by-East was "North-a-half-East" rather than "North-a-quarter-East". And so on. You are making the (N,S,E,W,NE,NW,SE,SW)-by-(N,S,E,W) be half-points instead of points.
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North, north-north-east, north-east &c are the sixteen primary points of a compass. Halfway between north and north-north-east is north-by-east (that is, the next half-point east of north), and half of that (half of half being a quarter) is north-one-qaurter-east (said point being one quarter of the way from north to the next point in an easterly direction).
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simon.clarkstone
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:07 am Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points.
I could have been wrong about that, but the details don't matter here.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use.
For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

The system would necessarily be as irregular and wonky as the body is. Fortunately, their limbs all have the same basic structure, so analogising could reduce the set of needed roots. (It is not the same as the pentadactyl limb system.)

TBH I am not sure how I will actually do this, or how similar to the compass system it would actually be, though cylindrical co-ordinates look promising. I mean that (e.g.) there would be no root for "elbow", but something derived from "wrist" and "shoulder". And "knee" and one of the wing-joints would be the same word, with just one part changed because they are on different limbs. Or you could refer to (e.g.) "the bottom half of the upper-right quadrant of your back" in a simple way.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.
Are your Kigdatsi human?
No. They are not even evolved, but designed. This makes them odd in many ways, though mostly good ones. It also means I will need terms for secondary brains, telekinesis organs, etc.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ...
Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker.
Nice. Not available for inter-conworld cooperation over at conworlds.info are you?
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject:

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I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:46 am Post subject:

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Izo wrote:
Hel·lerà / Helleran
---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks.
Izo wrote:
....Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).
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Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.
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Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.
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The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.
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The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body.
I found these especially interesting.

Zoris wrote:
I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?
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Izo
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:06 am Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
Izo wrote:
Hel·lerà / Helleran
---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks.
Izo wrote:
[...]
I found these especially interesting.

Thanks to you!

TomHChappell wrote:
Zoris wrote:
I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?

Why not? I included it in the expansion of the Helleran Lexicon of Human Anatomy, which I will post in this thread as soon as I complete it (what I included on my last post was based on your list): it will include more organs, bodyparts and substances, including the names for all human bones and muscles, and a deep view of every major organ system.

The list, as I will show it, represents the medical knowledge of human anatomy as it was in the time where my novels take place.
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I'm gonna bump up this thread because I think it's full of valuable information.
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imbecilica
Mey

Joined: 10 Jan 2008

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:

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UROBASICAN

Body Corpo
-Blood vessel Vessilo de Sango
--Artery Arterio
--Vein Veîno
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Oso
--Cartilage Cartilagio
--Skin Pelo
--Muscle Musclo
--Fat Lipido
--Blood Sango
-Trunk (torso) Trongo/Torso
--Chest Caffro
---Heart Coro
---Lung Pomeno
--Abdomen or Belly Abdomeno
---Stomach Estomaco
---Liver Fusjo
---Spleen Kescauro
---Intestines Intesnós
--Waist Dasrão
-Neck Collo
-Extremity
--Head Testo
---Hair Cavero
---Ear Orelo
----Earhole Casemo d'Orelo
----Earlobe? Lûbe
---Eye Optro
----Eyeball Globo d'Optro
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupiro
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Sobbrio
----Eyelid Pardigo
-----Eyelash Cyliu
----Eye socket Domecco d'Optro
----Tear gland Glando dè Plurós
---Nose Neso
----Nostril Nestrilo
---Mouth Boco
----Jaw Macco
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandiblo
----Tooth Dento
-----Incisor Incisèro
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Primca dento
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molaro
----Tongue Languo
--Limb Omembrio
---Arm Ièbro
----Shoulder Costrio
----Elbow Vikastrio
----Wrist Pristão
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus
----Lower Arm L'ièbro surina
----Hand Maño
-----Palm Paumo
---Leg J'azabo
----Hip Fahjo
-----buttock Destro
----Knee Noremo
----Ankle Cavliniro
----Thigh (upper leg) Ecaustro
----Shank Shánk
-----Shin Shimno
-----Calf Vecravo
----Foot Pedio
-----Sole Sôle
-----Heel Talono
-----Ball Balo
--Digit Dijéto
---Nail Otrís
----Fingernail Otrís de Dijéto
----Toenail Otrís de Puçavo
---Toe Puçavo
----Pollex Pollexo
----Pinky toe or little toe Granda Puçavo
----Other individual toes? None
---Thumb Puço
----Thumbnail Otrís de Puço
---Finger Dijéto
----Index finger Dijéto Indexo
----Pinky finger Dijéto Pestanda
----Middle finger Dijéto Midiena
----Ring finger Dijéto d'Annilo
---female femaraia
----vagina vajno
----womb utero
---male maraia
----penis peneso/penetraso/pestaso
----testicle testicuro
-Side Visjeiro
--Back Destra
--Front Avastra
--Left Gosca
--Right Diréjito
--Bottom (lower) Subina
--Top (upper) Surina
-Orifices Orifiçós
--anus anús

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dinnae
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject:

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Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):

My apologies, this was a neat table

In, inside of - Tendet (heart) /ˈtɛndət/
Out, outside of - Twizo (shell, skull) /ˈtwizoʊ/
Around (static) - Natan (skin, bark) /natɔn/
Through (static) - Ped (stick, rod) /pɛd/
On top of, Over (static) - Miye (hair) /ˈmijə/
Above, Over (static) - Aol (cloud) /ɔβ̞͡ɫ/
Underneath - Bundu (underside) /ˈbɵndʊw/
Below - Neeza (grass) /ˈniza/
Beside, Next to - Stabed (arm) /ˈstabəd/
In front of - Danćod (chest) /ˈdɔntɕɔd/
Behind - Kee (back) /k͜xi/
At (in a place; at a moment) - Se /sə/
Over (dynamic) - Meyl (wing) /ˈmɛil/
Under, Before - Asper (water) /ˈaspər/
Through (dynamic), During, While being in - Ense (spear) /ˈɛnsə/
Past, After - Huś (wind) /hʊɕ/
From elsewhere towards here - Sitei (source of river) /ˈsiti/
Towards a specific location Ula (gaze) /ˈʊla/
Away from here - Pridas (buttocks) /ˈpridas/
Alongside - Dedomheyet (lover, lit hand-holder) /dədɔˈmejət/ < relatively recent addition to the pronoun list, con-historically
Off - Away, from touching - Donin (fall) /ˈdɔnɘn/
Into (place, area, state) - Raowemelek (field of view) /rɔwəˈmeilək/ (always makes me think 'raw milk')
Out of (place, area, state) - Meśa (leaf bud) /ˈmeiɕa/
Around (dynamic) - Malman (orbit) /ˈmɔlmɔn/, dynamic form of /ˈmɔlma/, hug
Moving around the inside of area or place - Sefse (sniff around) /ˈsɛfsə/

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And no, this is not a confusing system. Talanese requires articles for nouns pretty much all the time (because nouns themselves don't inflect much), and of course prepositions don't have articles. It all came to me when I was reading a rather interesting text that had something to do with perception of time, progress and motion in Mediaeval paintings in the library. Actually, my whole TAM system is built upon inspiration drawn from that!
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As for the body parts list, well... I haven't filled out much, yet, because I've chosen to do it elaborately. I have more words for body parts than there are on this list, but I just haven't reached them yet while filling it out!

Thanks for providing it, though.
Here's what I have so far (.htm converted from .doc) http://www.by002.net/~neuteboo/bodyparts.htm

I'll get there... some time!

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Soap
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:20 am Post subject:

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This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise!
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Izo
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:39 am Post subject:

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Soap wrote:
This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise!

Two weeks ago I saw it was close of being pruned and I thought of posting here to retain it, but finally I forgot to do it... . Luckily I'm not the only one that will post soon here!
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Might it be a good idea to move this list to someplace it won't expire from, like a wiki? Maybe KneeQuickie? Or frathwiki? Or Chris Bates's linguistics wiki? Or the Conlang Wikia?
Or even L&L Museum?
I can move it to KneeQuickie, I think. I probably need Neek's permission first. Same with the others; maybe I can do it, but I probably need the owners' permission.
But I can't move it to the Museum.

dinnae wrote:
Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):
Hey, that's neat! Thanks.
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Quote:
I probably need Neek's permission first.
The KQ is down right now and Neek's doing basic training so he probably wont be able to fix it anytime soon. Nevertheless, I think that in the long term that or some other wiki might be a good idea.

Edit: the KQ is back; it looks like he has monthly bandwidth caps, and he exceeded it in April, but it's back now that it's May.
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject:

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Here's some of the body parts that I have in Danšlağ. I haven't really gotten specific with them, although I have got the "main" ones.

body- ri
nose- nopu
ear- yakušu
mouth- slata
eye- aslo
tongue- zabu
teeth- clač
tonsils- kakraku
neck- uxač
hair- skoru
head- baru
shoulder- tuŵ
arm- cura
hand- ğeš
finger- baklaŵer
fingernail- baklaŵeruka
thumb- kuku
chest- orka
breast- ğuš
stomach- iču
lungs- abačeraku
leg- laŵe
ankle- etai
foot- teš
toe- kuklaŵer
toenail- kaklaŵeruka
genital- irosi
penis- bamu
vagina- omaru

That's pretty much all I have so far. I'm sure I'll add more after reading this, though.
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Mecislau
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Joined: 24 Jul 2003
Location: Maryland
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject:

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Novegradian:

Body тѣло tiě́lo
-Blood vessel кревоносита жила krevonósita žíla (lit. "blood-carrying vessel")
--Artery артеря artiéria
--Vein вена véna
-Material of which it is composed матеряљ зе котраево состаулене materiáł ze kotrájevo sostáulene
--Bone кости kósti
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) хреце hréce
--Skin плоти plóti
--Muscle мишка míška
--Fat туке túke
--Blood крев krév
-Trunk (torso) торсе tórse
--Chest грандина дантина grándina dántina (lit. "breast cavity")
---Heart серце siérce
---Lung плуце plúce
--Abdomen or Belly желудок želudók (not distinguished from "stomach")
---Stomach желудок želudók
---Liver етро iétro
---Spleen слезени sleziéni
---Intestines есто iésto
--Waist таля tália
-Neck шия šíja
-Extremity концина kóncina
--Head глава gláva
---Hair власи vlási
---Ear оху óhu
----Earhole ---
----Earlobe? ---
---Eye око óko
----Eyeball оцное яблоко ócnoje iábloko (lit. "eye apple")
-----Iris оцное кољце ócnoje kołcé (lit. "eye ring")
-----Pupil оцней дѣде ócnej dědié (lit. "eye child")
-----Sclera бѣлое око bě́loje óko (lit. "white eye")
----Eyebrow брев brév
----Eyelid вѣко vě́ko
-----Eyelash ресница résnica or ресна résna
----Eye socket оцней доље ócnej dółe (lit. "eye pit")
----Tear gland слезная жлеза sléznaja žlezá
---Nose носе nóse
----Nostril носдера nosderá
---Mouth роте róte
----Jaw целусти célusti
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) верхеная целусти verhénaja célusti (lit. "upper jaw")
-----Mandible (lower jaw) нижная целусти nížnaja célusti (lit. "lower jaw")
----Tooth забе zábe
-----Incisor предней забе prédnej zábe (lit. "foretooth")
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth коле kóle
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) глауней забе gláunej zábe (lit. "headtooth")
----Tongue лизике lizíke
--Limb концина kóncina (not distinguished from "extremity")
---Arm рока róka (not distinguished from "hand")
----Shoulder плеѕо pledzó (not distinguished from "upper arm")
----Elbow лакоти lákoti
----Wrist подруцие podrucjé (lit. "beneath the hand")
----Humerus (upper arm) плеѕо pledzó (common usage, not distinguished from "shoulder") or надлакоцие nadlakocjé (lit. "above the elbow", in medical usage)
----Lower Arm предлакоцие predlakocjé (largely medical usage)
----Hand рока róka (not distinguished from "arm")
-----Palm длани dláni
---Leg нога nogá (not distinguished from "foot")
----Hip ланцо lancó
-----buttock (if different) заде záde (lit. "rear, behind")
----Knee колѣно kolě́no
----Ankle глезне glézne
----Thigh (upper leg) бедро bedró
----Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle) голени goléni (not distinguished from "shin")
-----Shin голени goléni (not distinguished from "shank")
-----Calf лиска líska
----Foot нога nogá (common usage, not distinguished from "leg") or пѣхе pě́he (largely medical usage)
-----Sole позпѣшие pozpěšjé (lit. "under the foot")
-----Heel пида pidá
-----Ball ---
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) порсте pórste
---Nail ноготи nógoti
----Fingernail ноготи рокѣ nógoti rókě (lit. "nail on the hand")
----Toenail ноготи ногѣ nógoti nogiě́ (lit. "nail on the foot")
---Toe порсте на ногѣ pórste nogiě́ (lit. "digit on the foot")
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) палоке ногѣ páloke nogiě́ (lit. "thumb on the foot")
----Pinky toe or little toe вейка ногѣ véjka nogiě́ (lit. "little digit on the foot")
----Other individual toes? -just find the equivalent finger name and add ногѣ; each finger name can refer to either the finger or the equivalent toe, though in common usage it is generally assumed that the hand is meant unless otherwise specified or context makes it clear
---Thumb палоке páloke
----Thumbnail ноготи палокѣ nógoti pálokě (lit. "nail on the thumb")
---Finger порсте pórste (like the individual fingers and toes, this term can refer to either a finger or toe in general, but by default is assumed to refer to the fingers)
----Index finger предовоке predovóke (lit. "the front one")
----Pinky finger вейка véjka (lit. "little twig")
----Middle finger срединоке sredinóke (lit. "the middle one")
----Ring finger безимѣнноке beziměnnóke (lit. "the unnamed one", a name you see in Russian and several Uralic languages)
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! плодовии plodóviji (lit. "[organs for] producing offspring")
---female женески плодовии žéneski plodóviji
----vagina туло túlo
----womb трево trévo
---male мужески плодовии múžeski plodóviji
----penis шлене šléne (lit. "member")
----testicle яйѕок iajdzók (lit. "little egg")
-Side страна straná
--Back заде záde (for the back part of the body) or спина spína (for the actual back/spine)
--Front преде préde
--Left лѣво lě́vo
--Right право právo
--Bottom (lower) низе níze
--Top (upper) верхе vérhe
-Orifices отуоре ótuore
--anus задней отуоре zádnej ótuore (lit. "rear orifice")
--urethral meatus? --

Misc:
--lap љону łónu
--kidney нерка niérka
--bladder пуғири puğíri (lit. "bubble")
--brain мозгѣ mozgiě́
--lip осту óstu
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Body Parts in Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell
Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Again, apologies to Janko.
This goes with his "Numbers ..."; it also goes with the threads "Kinterms ..." and "Colorterms ..." which I started in this forum.

How many, and who, among us have more-or-less completish vocabularies for body parts in some of our conlangs? And which conlangs?

("Not me, yet", is, I'm afraid, my first contribution.)

Here's my attempt at an outline. If you find it incomplete, add stuff; if you find a different order would be better, re-arrange it; and if you find it makes "different" things your conlang would make "same", edit it.

Body
-Blood vessel
--Artery
--Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
--Skin
--Muscle
--Fat
--Blood
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest
---Heart
---Lung
--Abdomen or Belly
---Stomach
---Liver
---Spleen
---Intestines
--Waist
-Neck
-Extremity
--Head
---Hair
---Ear
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose
----Nostril
---Mouth
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg
----Hip
-----buttock (if different)
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle)
-----Shin
-----Calf
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
-Side
--Back
--Front
--Left
--Right
--Bottom (lower)
--Top (upper)
-Orifices
--anus
--urethral meatus?
--vagina was covered under "genitalia".
--mouth and nose and ear were covered under "head". So was "eye", but your conlang might not consider that an orifice.

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I am looking forward to the answers!

Thanks, in advance.
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<EDIT:>
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)
</EDIT>

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<EDIT:>
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:29 am Post subject:

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Soap
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Joined: 16 Feb 2003
Location: Soapatopia
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
-Blood vessel tamapop
--Artery tamap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pansa
--Skin perebi
--Muscle soppi
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
--Blood tapema
-Trunk (torso) sumpobi
--Chest pammum
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
---Stomach pemarapupi
---Liver pabapi
---Spleen barrampi
---Intestines wampupi
--Waist pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Hair wesum
---Ear uma, sobopi
----Earhole umabosadepi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Iris pispadapi
-----Pupil pispaliapi
-----Sclera no word yet
----Eyebrow pisamblesum
----Eyelid osinipi
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
----Eye socket opposadepi
----Tear gland liblapampi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Nostril taposadepi
---Mouth popopi
----Jaw poposopi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Tongue blampi
--Limb pemia
---Arm pemia
----Shoulder maba
----Elbow pemiabimbra
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
---Leg pampipi
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Knee pimbra
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
----Shin no word yet
----Foot aspi
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
---Nail ebbi
----Fingernail ebbi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
----Thumbnail arpebbi
---Finger sempi
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Side popapitabi
--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--Front jubipi
--Left blumperbap
--Right porpubat
--Bottom (lower) purpa
--Top (upper) pimpampi
-Orifices
--anus parpab
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More:
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
clitoris: pubi
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi
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TomHChappell
Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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cromulant wrote:

Your forgot the Isles of Langerhans.

I tried to leave out most things that were microscopic (like the Islets), and most things that were not visible on the surface (like the Islets).

(I also left out the Organ of Zuckerkandl, which resides in the arch of the aorta. Nobody seems to know what it's for.)

(And I left out the voicebox or larynx, and other parts of the speech system. Perhaps I should have included some of them. Others are welcome to, if they feel it would be good to do so.)

Bones and blood and stomachs-and-or-intestines and hearts and wombs, however, seemed like I should include them.

Blood is often visible on the surface, after a minor injury.

If bone is visible on the surface, a major injury has occurred; but one can detect the bone from the outside by touch.

Hearts move and make a sound detectable from the outside.

The same is true of the stomach-and-or-intestines; furthermore the owner of the stomach can often tell when it's empty, or when it wants to operate in reverse (the name of that sensation is "nausea").

Wombs have visible results; and their owners know what's going on in them. (Actually, I've been kicked awake by an unborn baby whose mother slept through the kick!)

As for livers and spleens and sweetbreads and so on: They are often referred to in old-fashioned conversations preceding the advent of modern medicine; I assume that the practice of butchery, together with those of surgery and veterinary and medicine, familiarized people with some of them. In some Native North American languages, for instance, an automobile's battery is referred to as its "liver".

It would be reasonable for some conlangs not to have all of these, and for others to have body-part terms in addition to these.

cromulant wrote:

My word for arm is khaib.
I'll get back to you on all the others.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
-Blood vessel tamapop
--Artery tamap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pansa
--Skin perebi
--Muscle soppi
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
--Blood tapema
-Trunk (torso) sumpobi
--Chest pammum
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
---Stomach pemarapupi
---Liver pabapi
---Spleen barrampi
---Intestines wampupi
--Waist pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Hair wesum
---Ear uma, sobopi
----Earhole umabosadepi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Iris pispadapi
-----Pupil pispaliapi
-----Sclera no word yet
----Eyebrow pisamblesum
----Eyelid osinipi
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
----Eye socket opposadepi
----Tear gland liblapampi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Nostril taposadepi
---Mouth popopi
----Jaw poposopi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Tongue blampi
--Limb pemia
---Arm pemia
----Shoulder maba
----Elbow pemiabimbra
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
---Leg pampipi
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Knee pimbra
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
----Shin no word yet
----Foot aspi
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
---Nail ebbi
----Fingernail ebbi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
----Thumbnail arpebbi
---Finger sempi
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Side popapitabi
--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--Front jubipi
--Left blumperbap
--Right porpubat
--Bottom (lower) purpa
--Top (upper) pimpampi
-Orifices
--anus parpab
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More:
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
clitoris: pubi
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Thanks.
What's the name of your conlang?

Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Ear uma, sobopi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Why more than one word?
In some cases, viz.
Kuvdamos wrote:

--Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem

it looks like you need a phrase to distinguish from some other body-part;
but in some cases, viz.
Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Ear uma, sobopi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

it looks like you have more than one term which are interpretable by the same "English" term.
In the latter cases, is that because your conlang makes a distinction "English" doesn't (actually, that I didn't?)
Or do you have two different synonyms? In which case when is it appropriate to use the one, and when the other?

Kuvdamos wrote:

-----Sclera no word yet
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Shin no word yet
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet

Fine. Not all languages have words for these. Yours may end up needing phrases for some of these.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----testicle lespapi (plural only)

Fine. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

OK. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Eyebrow pisamblesum
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)

That's fine, probably.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?

Yes!
I have edited it.
Do you have a word for "thigh" in your conlang?

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Tom H.C. in MI
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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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(Accidental duplicate post I was not able to delete.)
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Tom H.C. in MI

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doctrellor
Šalea

Joined: 19 Oct 2003
Location: Land of 10,000 lakes..:)
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)

I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail

like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on

so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem

I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..
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Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?

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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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doctrellor wrote:

TomHChappell wrote:

Does your conlang ... use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail
like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on
so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem
I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

Thanks. I look forward to it.
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Goza Lesha
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject:

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(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.

These are the ones I have words for:

Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:

Body Body
-Blood vessel Bleed Vessel
--Artery Artery
--Vein Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Bone
--Skin Skin
--Muscle Muscle
--Fat Fat
--Blood Bleed
-Trunk (torso) Torso
--Chest Chest
---Heart Heart
---Lung Lung
--Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly
---Stomach Stomach
---Liver Liver
---Spleen Sploon
---Intestines Intestines
--Waist Waist
-Neck Neck
-Extremity Extremity
--Head Hed
---Hair Hair
---Ear Ear
----Earhole Ear Canal
---Eye Eye
----Eyeball Eyeball
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupil
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Eyebrow
----Eyelid Eyelid
-----Eyelash Eyelash
----Eye socket Eye socket
----Tear gland Tear Gland
---Nose Nose
----Nostril Nostril
---Mouth Mouth
----Jaw Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw
----Tooth Tooth
-----Incisor Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar
----Tongue Tongue
--Limb Limb
---Arm Arm
----Shoulder Shoulder
----Elbow Elbow
----Wrist Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm
----Lower Arm Lower Arm
----Hand Hand
-----Palm Palm
---Leg Leg
----Hip Hip
----Knee Knoo
----Ankle Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg
----Shin Shin
----Foot Foot
-----Sole Sole
-----Ball Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit
---Nail Nail
----Fingernail Fingernail
----Toenail Toenail
---Toe Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe
----Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe
----Other toes? Toes
---Thumb Thumb
----Thumbnail Thumbnail
---Finger Finger
----Index finger Index Finger
----Pinky finger Pinky Finger
----Middle finger Middle Finger
----Ring finger Ring Finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals
---female Female
----vagina Vagina
----womb Womb
---male Male
----penis Penis
----testicle Testicle
-Side Side
--Back Back
--Front Front
--Left Left
--Right Right
--Bottom (lower) Bottom
--Top (upper) Top
-Orifices Orifices
--anus Anus
--urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject:

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Sploon! Fabulous! (But shouldn't it be weemb?)
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject:

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What about the oonus?

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Wow, I've got almost nothing....

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis)
eye - simah
eyes - soemaef
lip - zilh
muscle - hacaz (also means meat)
fat - jeikosc
throat - vezop
genitalia - vuseis
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TomHChappell
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Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:19 am Post subject:

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Goza Lesha wrote:

(For Zevino'shoma)
This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.
These are the ones I have words for:
Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

Great! Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote:

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:
Body Body
-Blood vessel Bleed Vessel
--Artery Artery
--Vein Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Bone
--Skin Skin
--Muscle Muscle
--Fat Fat
--Blood Bleed
-Trunk (torso) Torso
--Chest Chest
---Heart Heart
---Lung Lung
--Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly
---Stomach Stomach
---Liver Liver
---Spleen Sploon
---Intestines Intestines
--Waist Waist
-Neck Neck
-Extremity Extremity
--Head Hed
---Hair Hair
---Ear Ear
----Earhole Ear Canal
---Eye Eye
----Eyeball Eyeball
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupil
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Eyebrow
----Eyelid Eyelid
-----Eyelash Eyelash
----Eye socket Eye socket
----Tear gland Tear Gland
---Nose Nose
----Nostril Nostril
---Mouth Mouth
----Jaw Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw
----Tooth Tooth
-----Incisor Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar
----Tongue Tongue
--Limb Limb
---Arm Arm
----Shoulder Shoulder
----Elbow Elbow
----Wrist Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm
----Lower Arm Lower Arm
----Hand Hand
-----Palm Palm
---Leg Leg
----Hip Hip
----Knee Knoo
----Ankle Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg
----Shin Shin
----Foot Foot
-----Sole Sole
-----Ball Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit
---Nail Nail
----Fingernail Fingernail
----Toenail Toenail
---Toe Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe
----Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe
----Other toes? Toes
---Thumb Thumb
----Thumbnail Thumbnail
---Finger Finger
----Index finger Index Finger
----Pinky finger Pinky Finger
----Middle finger Middle Finger
----Ring finger Ring Finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals
---female Female
----vagina Vagina
----womb Womb
---male Male
----penis Penis
----testicle Testicle
-Side Side
--Back Back
--Front Front
--Left Left
--Right Right
--Bottom (lower) Bottom
--Top (upper) Top
-Orifices Orifices
--anus Anus
--urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

Weird! Thanks. I look forward to seeing what the diachronic relationship to English is.

schwhatever wrote:

Wow, I've got almost nothing....

I've got you beat; I've got exactly nothing!

schwhatever wrote:

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis)
eye - simah
eyes - soemaef
lip - zilh
muscle - hacaz (also means meat)
fat - jeikosc
throat - vezop
genitalia - vuseis

What's the name of your conlang?

schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah
eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it?
I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

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Thanks, schwhatever.
Thanks, everyone.

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:

<EDIT>
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)
</EDIT>

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

TomHChappell wrote:

<EDIT>
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".
</EDIT>

Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Radagast wrote:

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

That's the kind of thing I wanted to know about.
What's the answer for Mèlw?

Radagast wrote:

Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes

Thanks.

Radagast wrote:

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

Interesting!
Thanks.

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Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject:

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THC wrote:
What's the name of your conlang?
Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Quote:
Why more than one word?
The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually. Is this all going to a database somewhere or are you just curious?

cromulant wrote:
Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?
Yes. Pabappa started as a jokelang three years ago, but I got too attached to it to let it remain as such.
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject:

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Terran humans for this: (Muphridian language)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Brain

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

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I have a few in Palhàwan:

body - ë̀yro
head - ë̀yròi
hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar
mouth - lhàma
nose - tìa
eye - àsþol
ear - fazs
tooth - b̀àma
tongue )- dàðel
neck - wonh
arm - telumàrel
hand - telùmar
knee - wòxin
leg - wòxel
foot - woxh
heart - selùmel
skin -nìam
blood -mìrim

Seat of Life:
Head

Seat of Emotion:
Heart

Seat of Consciousness:
Head

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:28 am Post subject:

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Radagast wrote:

Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

THC wrote:

What's the name of your conlang?

Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Quote:

Why more than one word?

The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

Kind of what I thought. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually.

Let us know? Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Is this all going to a database somewhere

I wish!

Kuvdamos wrote:

or are you just curious?

'Fraid so.
My own computer has no internet connection; "my" internet connection is not on my own computer. It takes more technical skill than I have been able to acquire as yet to put all this in a database someplace. But, if Janko can do it, I should be able to as well, shouldn't I? I just don't know how.

Delalyra wrote:

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

Interesting; thanks.
(I have been told -- I don't know whether it's true -- that in "modern western" societies, men tend to see certain parts of their bodies as the "center of their sexual attractiveness", whereas women OTOH see each and every part of their bodies as the "center(?) of their sexual attractiveness". Your Vernaclerians' thinking that each part of their body is the "seat of life" sounds a little like the latter. But do they feel that way about hair and nails? And excretions such as sweat and saliva and earwax?)

Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this:
(Muphridian language)
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

Raluv wrote:

I have a few in Palhàwan:
body - ë̀yro
head - ë̀yròi
hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar
mouth - lhàma
nose - tìa
eye - àsþol
ear - fazs
tooth - b̀àma
tongue )- dàðel
neck - wonh
arm - telumàrel
hand - telùmar
knee - wòxin
leg - wòxel
foot - woxh
heart - selùmel
skin -nìam
blood -mìrim

Seat of Life: Head
Seat of Emotion: Heart
Seat of Consciousness: Head

Thanks.
"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they?
"wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they?
Are there other relationships I've missed?
Thanks again.

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Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject:

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Here u go

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
...I...have ...penis

By the way, what city are you from? SE is nowhere close to where I visit- I go to West Branch (the smiley-face city) annually.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject:

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Gevey does better than I expected on body parts - lots of words/concepts still missing, though. Most of these words have been generated to meet various translation exercise requirements:

Simple animate status body parts:
aelne (aeln) ear
bazhjarhe (bazhjarh) thumb
bazhve (bazhev) finger
becye (beceey) skin
khuane (khuant) womb
me'he (met) throat
shaawe (shaawg) hand
shkipe (shkip) heart
shlune (shlum) nose, snout
slofre (slofehr) head
wanhe (wang) eye
woole (wool) face, visage
yeetse (yeetes) tongue
zwi'he (zwit) blood

Inanimate status body parts:
cesuu (cesk) body, torso
drestuu (drest) forehead
ezekuu (ezek) foot, paw
friskuu (frisk) guts, intestines
ghimuu (ghim) muscle
grupuu (grup) hair, fur, wool
joejuu (joej) leg
koguu (kog) bone
osucuu (osuc) stomach, belly
poyuu (poy) chin
raekhwuu (raekhouwg) shoulder
rhuuluu (rhuul) tooth
shewuu (shewg) back, saddle
shnaathuu (shnaath) placenta
storuu (stor) chest
ubulhuu (ubul) neck
vroiduu (vroid) arm
zdanuu (zdant) skull

Body products (all inanimate status):
thakluu becyizhuu (yuu becyizhuu thakel) spot, zit
ma'haelhuu (ma'hael) urine, piss
ma'haelhuu zdanizhuu (yuu zdanizhuu ma'hael) phlegm
mabecyuu (mabeceey) sweat
zwibecyuu (zwibeceey) scab

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Delalyra
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject:

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daryush wrote:
amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.
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daryush wrote:
Here u go

That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

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Delalyra wrote:

daryush wrote:

amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.

Whimemsz wrote:

daryush wrote:

Here u go

That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?

What they said. Amazing, Turkish-oid, all of it.

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It was originally an auxlang for Turkish before I decided to build a conworld around it ... so yeah, its absurdly heavily influenced (there is quite a bit of con- in it, though )

Thanks for the comments btw
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this:
(Muphridian language)
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

I don't have much of the history of the Muphridian language (or the Muphridians), but there is a general overview there of the history, and the language here: http://scjuwiki.azivelar.net/wiki/Muphridian_Language. (under construction)

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TomHChappell wrote:
What's the name of your conlang?

Faranit. Although there is a little ambiguity.

TomHChappell wrote:
schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah
eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

It's left over from an older plural system similar to German's lengthening system. I haven't worked out the specifics yet, unfortunately. It irregular, but with some method to its madness, as you can see the remnents of the earlier plural system, but also a worn down version of the later -(I/E)b system.

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schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it?
I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

Maybe? It was buried in my lexicon and I thought I might as well...

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schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

No, it's the same.

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schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

Thanks.
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Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.
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MustangDan15 wrote:
Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.
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Thanks, Sano.

Sano wrote:

MustangDan15 wrote:
Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.

Qatama: English:

anaq head
anuq ear(s)
ongo eye(s)
okota heart
toru back
taruya hip/waist
tara belly/stomach
utar chest/breast
nogra feet/toes
anuja leg
udan hand/arm
qongo joint
gan bone
gua mouth/face
ogua facial hair
uha skin
udanju fingers/knuckles
dong nose
g'tla shoulder
qono muscle
anaqra neck
guata teeth
guaja tongue
unuq hair

-Khang

1) Did I do that right?

2) Why did you quote yourself?
2a) Apparently you had already answered this question in some other post. Where? and what post?

3) The word "nogra feet/toes" reminds me a bit of Russian; but the rest of the list doesn't remind me of any language in particular. Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Again, Thanks.
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Quote:
Did I do that right?

Better than I did.

Quote:
Why did you quote yourself?, Where?

ease, CBB

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Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Not at all.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

1) the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

2)The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

3) The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.

The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.

The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:
* A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
* An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
* Direction.

This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.

The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.

When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.

Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.

I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

[Edit]Dumb grammar.
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Quote:

"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they?
"wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they?
Are there other relationships I've missed?

The suffix "-el" means something like "the source of." So "telùmar" is hand, and "telumàrel" is literally "hand source", or the arm. With "woxh," which is foot, the h is silent and then dropped when the suffix is added making "wòxel," or leg. "Wòxin" is foot with the suffix for what equates to "middle." There are a few more like "ë̀ro" and "ë̀roi" for body and head. "ërotelùmar," meaning hair, is also related believe it or not, to hand, literally meaning "little hands."

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I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!
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Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no;
it just slipped my mind completely!
I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started.
The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no;
it just slipped my mind completely!
I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started.
The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

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It's awwwwwwwwwwwwwright
I should have my post here by the end of the week.
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Radioguy wrote:

I should have my post here by the end of the week.

I'm still looking forward to it.
Thanks.
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Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman)
tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`]
tongue - šuun [s`u:n]
alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L]
palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h]
velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm]
uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx]
glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875
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I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s)
gums
palate
uvula
throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing)
throat, thrachea, windpipe
breast, tit, teat
nipple
belly button
tendon
forehead
temple
bladder
calf
butt, buttocks, ass/arse
pelvis
spine, backbone
skull
rib(s) / ribcage

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?
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Body Kanana
-Blood vessel aka
--Artery akala
--Vein akawana
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone ohakao
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala
--Skin lamaha
--Muscle kako
--Fat lapala
--Blood koko
-Trunk (torso) koho
--Chest hahaka
---Heart 'alona
---Lung lana
--Abdomen or Belly po'o
---Stomach 'ahakalo
---Liver lawala
---Spleen hapalana
---Intestines po'oloko
--Waist hopa
-Neck na'a
-Extremity
--Head opo'o
---Hair ma'awa
---Ear kalana
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye 'alo
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose aho
----Nostril
---Mouth waha
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm lana
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg wawa
----Hip
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--genitalia
---female
----vagina kala
----womb halapapa
---male
----penis ola
----testicle paopao
-Side kaha
--Back mola
--Front moa
--Left maoa
--Right makao
--Bottom (lower) lalo
--Top (upper) lona
--anus anoho
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Sdannískr

Lihhámr (body)
-Flǽskr (flesh)
--Bǽnr (bone)
--Flǽskr (flesh)
--Kríǥr (strength--muscle)
--Tálgr (fat)
--Bloðís (blood)
-Búlr (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso)
--Bármr (chest)
---Hǽrto (heart)
---Lúnǥwr (lung)
---Brýstr (breast)
--Hrǽfr (abdomen)
--Gérþ (waist)
-Hálsr (neck)
-Strǽkætiwr (limbs, lit. "extendeds")
--Hǿvuð (head)
---Hǽrr (hair)
---Ǿro (ear)
---Ǿǥa (eye)
----Bréhwo (eyelash)
---Snútr (nose)
---Múnþr (mouth)
----Kǿko (jaw)
----Tánþr (tooth)
----Túngo (tongue)
--Lím (limb)
---Ármr (harm)
----Sklúðro (shoulder)
----Wrístr (wrist)
----Múndr (hand)
-----Lófr (palm)
---Hýpr (hip)
---Kníw (knee)
---Ánkulwr (ankle)
---Þýhr (thigh)
---Skíno (shin)
---Fót (foot)
----Lǽstr (sole)
----Hahílr (heel)
--Fíngrr (toe or thumb or finger)
---Tǽhwo (toe)
---Ðúmo (thumb)
--Grúnd (groin)
--Fúlwatos (genitals/groin area, lit. "hiddens")
---Blédr (bladder)
---Ársr (butt)
----Arskúlr (anus)
---Kwénir (woman)
----Slít (vagina)
----Wámb (womb)
---Mánnr (man)
----Sǽkkr (scrotum)
----Fýrnr (penis)
----Bállukr (testicle)
-Síðo (side)
--Hrýng (back)
--Fǿro (front)
--Hlǿmr (left)
--Ríhtr (right)
--Bóð (bottom)
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Body - elwer - ellor
-Blood vessel - uía - clœya
--Artery - súloŋ
--Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed
--Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha
--Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@]
--Muscle - deuma - tóimma
--Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj]
--Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@]
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest - ámos
---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w]
---Lung - sválode - sbállod
--Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm
---Stomach - byallo - beáll
---Liver - bóyar - póughar
---Spleen - quellego
---Pancreas - felgeustar
---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@]
--Waist
-Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l]
-Extremity
--Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn]
---Hair - fille - híll
---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]
----Earhole
----Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma
---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]
----Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)
-----Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]
-----Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth
----Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth
-----Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag
----Eye socket - sattuce
----Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)
---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg
----Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog
---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga
----Jaw - vaugo - vóugh
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo
-----Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo
----Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág
-----Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)
----Tongue - maiga - máigga
--Limb
---Arm - lámo - láom
----Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]
----Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]
----Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]
-----Palm - yéna
---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]
----Hip - rωbe - rúaibh
----Knee - nébos - néobhas
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]
-----Sole - sumba
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-
----Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)
----Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)
---Toe - derdon
---Thumb - duntice
---Finger - dún - tún
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female - quenwe
----vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)
----womb - urwa - urbha
---male - donya
----penis - litto - líott [Lit]
----testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh
-Orifices
--anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis
pus - peugema
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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bulbaquil wrote:

Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman)
tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`]
tongue - šuun [s`u:n]
alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L]
palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h]
velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm]
uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx]
glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s)
gums
palate
uvula
throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing)
throat, thrachea, windpipe
breast, tit, teat
nipple
belly button
tendon
forehead
temple
bladder
calf
butt, buttocks, ass/arse
pelvis
spine, backbone
skull
rib(s) / ribcage

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?

"Breast" might not apply to non-mammals.
Nevertheless it should be included. Thanks for bringing it up.
"Ass/arse" should obviously apply to nearly any animal, even sea-squirts.
Thanks for including it.

Turtlehead wrote:

Body Kanana
-Blood vessel aka
--Artery akala
--Vein akawana
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone ohakao
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala
--Skin lamaha
--Muscle kako
--Fat lapala
--Blood koko
-Trunk (torso) koho
--Chest hahaka
---Heart 'alona
---Lung lana
--Abdomen or Belly po'o
---Stomach 'ahakalo
---Liver lawala
---Spleen hapalana
---Intestines po'oloko
--Waist hopa
-Neck na'a
-Extremity
--Head opo'o
---Hair ma'awa
---Ear kalana
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye 'alo
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose aho
----Nostril
---Mouth waha
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm lana
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg wawa
----Hip
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--genitalia
---female
----vagina kala
----womb halapapa
---male
----penis ola
----testicle paopao
-Side kaha
--Back mola
--Front moa
--Left maoa
--Right makao
--Bottom (lower) lalo
--Top (upper) lona
--anus anoho

Interesting! Thanks.

Arunaza wrote:

Svannískar

Lik-hámar (body)
-Flǽskar (flesh)
--Bǽnar (bone)
--Flǽskar (flesh)
--Krígar (strength--muscle)
--Tálgar (fat)
--Bloðísøam (blood)
-Búlar (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso)
--Bármar (chest)
---Hérto (heart)
---Lúnġwar (lung)
--Hrǽfir (abdomen)
--Gérþu (waist)
-Hálsar (neck)
-Strǽkætiwir (limbs, lit. "extendeds")
--Haúbuðam (head)
---Hǽrar (hair)
---Aúro (ear)
---Aúġa (eye)
----Bréhwo (eyelash)
---Snútar (nose)
---Múnþar (mouth)
----Kaúko (jaw)
----Tánþar (tooth)
----Túngo (tongue)
--Límu (limb)
---Ármar (harm)
----Sklúðro (shoulder)
----Urístir (wrist)
----Múndar (hand)
-----Lófar (palm)
---Hýpir (hip)
---Kníwam (knee)
---Ánkulwar (ankle)
---Þýhar (thigh)
---Skíno (shin)
---Fótam (foot)
----Lǽstar (sole)
----Hahílar (heel)
--Fíngrar (toe or thumb or finger)
---Tǽhwo (toe)
---Ðúmo (thumb)
--Fúlwatar (genitals, lit. "hiddens")
---Kwénir (woman)
----Slítam (vagina)
----Wámbam
---Mánnar (man)
----Fýrnir (penis)
----Bállukar (testicle)
-Síðo (side)
--Hrýggam (back)
--Faúro (front)
--Hleúmar (left)
--Ríhtar (right)
--Bóðam (bottom)

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand.
Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

Waldkater wrote:

Body - elwer - ellor
-Blood vessel - uía - clœya
--Artery - súloŋ
--Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed
--Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha
--Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@]
--Muscle - deuma - tóimma
--Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj]
--Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@]
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest - ámos
---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w]
---Lung - sválode - sbállod
--Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm
---Stomach - byallo - beáll
---Liver - bóyar - póughar
---Spleen - quellego
---Pancreas - felgeustar
---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@]
--Waist
-Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l]
-Extremity
--Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn]
---Hair - fille - híll
---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]
----Earhole
----Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma
---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]
----Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)
-----Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]
-----Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth
----Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth
-----Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag
----Eye socket - sattuce
----Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)
---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg
----Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog
---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga
----Jaw - vaugo - vóugh
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo
-----Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo
----Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág
-----Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)
----Tongue - maiga - máigga
--Limb
---Arm - lámo - láom
----Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]
----Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]
----Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]
-----Palm - yéna
---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]
----Hip - rωbe - rúaibh
----Knee - nébos - néobhas
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]
-----Sole - sumba
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-
----Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)
----Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)
---Toe - derdon
---Thumb - duntice
---Finger - dún - tún
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female - quenwe
----vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)
----womb - urwa - urbha
---male - donya
----penis - litto - líott [Lit]
----testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh
-Orifices
--anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis
pus - peugema

Thanks for mentioning them.
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English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand.
Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

ohh... sorry -
Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial")
but i was too lazy later
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Radioguy wrote:
I should have my post here by the end of the week.

@Radioguy, did you ever post here?

Waldkater wrote:
Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial") but i was too lazy later

Thanks. Do you have any more you'd like to show us now?
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Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!

Head - dú
Nose - amar
Eye - škíol
Mouth - armu
Ear - níu
Chin - va
Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd
Throat / Neck - damá

Shoulder - issun
Chest / Stomach - núa
Sides - gatod
Back - rammrót
Hip / Waist - fúv

Arm / Leg - skaro
Back of arm / Back of leg - orga
Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét
Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull
Finger / Toe - ram
Knee / Elbow - aitait

Flaccid penis - pelúa
Erect penis - lakkuš
Scrotum / Testes - ssap
'Gooch' - emrát
Vagina - tlaš a feu
Anus - tlaš
Buttock - mappíok
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cromulant wrote:
My word for arm is khaib. I'll get back to you on all the others.

@Cromulant; Did you get back to us on the others yet? Or, how much of it is available elsewhere? and, if any, where?
Thanks.

doctrellor wrote:
I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail, like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on, so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem. I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

@Doc; Did you post a list for Drem? Or is one available somewhere else? Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote:
(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.
These are the ones I have words for:
Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:
---SNIP Muphridian---

@Goza Lesha; Thanks for the Muphridian. Thanks also for as much of the Zevino'shoma as you've posted. Do you have anything on-line telling about their anatomy? Or other interesting things about them?
In re the Zevino'shoma bodyparts, you said "I'll come back for the rest later". Have you some more bodypart terms for them available somewhere?
Thanks.

Radagast wrote:
Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.
...
Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes
...
(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

@Radagast; thanks. (Radagast the Brown, right?)
Do you have more Mèlw terms online somewhere? Or that you'd like to post here?

Delalyra wrote:
Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

@Delalyra; What else can you tell us about Vernaclerian bodypart terms etc.?

Eddy wrote:
Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

@Eddy; Do you have anything else you think we'd like to see yet?

sintau.tayua wrote:
The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

@sintau.tayua; What else do you know about Psinu that probably belongs on this thread?
Thanks.

Old Man Neek wrote:
TomHChappell wrote:

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.
The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.
The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:
* A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
* An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
* Direction.
This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.
The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.
When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.
Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.
I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

@You, Neek ('cause there is only one of you); Oh, yes, it surely does help; thanks. Have you been able to expand the vocabulary yet to any other names of organs that you'd like us to see? If so, where can we look for them?

-Klaivas- wrote:
Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!
Head - dú
Nose - amar
Eye - škíol
Mouth - armu
Ear - níu
Chin - va
Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd
Throat / Neck - damá
Shoulder - issun
Chest / Stomach - núa
Sides - gatod
Back - rammrót
Hip / Waist - fúv
Arm / Leg - skaro
Back of arm / Back of leg - orga
Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét
Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull
Finger / Toe - ram
Knee / Elbow - aitait
Flaccid penis - pelúa
Erect penis - lakkuš
Scrotum / Testes - ssap
'Gooch' - emrát
Vagina - tlaš a feu
Anus - tlaš
Buttock - mappíok

Thanks, -Klaivas-.
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".
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The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif
Hand kamr
Eye axr
Tongue lis
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-Klaivas-
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TomHChappell wrote:
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
Haha, but of course they (I) do What else would I call it? Area-between-anus-and-front-genetalia ( etde-om-tlašos-om-[pelúas/lakkušos/tlaš-a-feus] ) ?
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:51 am Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".

When I was growing up, the male version was a "choad." (Hrm, can't blame that on regional differences either, can I?) But since then I've been introduced to the word "taint" ('t ain't one end and 't ain't the other) which appears to be gender-neutral.
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-Klaivas-
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:56 am Post subject:

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nebula wind phone wrote:
the male version was a "choad."
I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a penis which is wider than it is long".

Also, use thy "t"s consistently! 'T ain't one end and 't ain't t' other
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject:

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-Klaivas- wrote:
What else would I call it?

Perineum. Having kids introduces you to vocabulary you never knew existed.
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TomHChappell
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Amsel wrote:
The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif
Hand kamr
Eye axr
Tongue lis

You're doing well in other semantic fields; and in this one you're at least four ahead of me.
Thanks.
We'll be looking forward to seeing/hearing your expanded list.
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-Klaivas- wrote:
nebula wind phone wrote:
the male version was a "choad."
I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a which is wider than it is long".

Well, I wasn't "brought up" with the term, but I'd seen "choad" used to mean "jism" (or "semen" or "seed" or "ejaculate"(the noun)).
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Has anyone got anything new?
Has anyone who hasn't posted yet got anything responsive to the first 10 or 15 posts?
Has anyone who has already posted got anything new they haven't posted yet that fits in with the first 10 or so posts?
Does anyone want to change anything?
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What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?
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No offense, but I think nearly everyone will vote to let it die. It's not that it's not a great thread, it's just that hey, if we do it for this thread, why not 99 others? And then the museum would just be hard to browse though. I saved the thread to my hard drive though.
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So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?
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Wycoval wrote:
So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

booger slide?
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TomHChappell wrote:
What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?

I was happy to move the kinterms thread to the Museum because it contains some very useful information on the way different languages divide up the "kinship space" differently and how this correlates to cultural factors. I can't see any corresponding justification for indexing this thread; it's a nice collection, but it is just a collection of vocabulary from our conlangs.
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Wycoval wrote:
So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

A Uvula. Remember Google is your friend!

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Sorry, no.
The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

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Philtrum.
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Philtrum.

Obviously, we need to find a better English word for it. None of this Latiny-Greeky nonsense.
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Cénárol

nava- foot (pl. navam)*
paldo- hand (pl. paldom)*
qar'ta- finger
hir'da- head
ristai- arm (pl. ristím)**
nif- leg (pl. nífu)*

*NOTE: These terms are pluralized in the dual form only, unless when referenced in a group of people

**NOTE: Cénárol sound rule- ai>í
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Rav Shimon wrote:
Sorry, no.
The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

Oh then I have no idea what he's talking about nor what it looks like.

EDIT: Now that I've seen the pic I know what it is and what it looks like. Now I have a question:

What purpose does it serve?

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Serali wrote:
What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.
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Here are the words for body parts I have for Terpish so far:

Bol — belly
Jok — eye
Klit — clitoris
Kof — head
Kor — heart
Liöshan — brain
Mumbe — butt
Piej — foot

Naturally, the Terps understand biology well enough to understand the appropriate place for the seat of emotion and consciousness (the brain).
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boy #12 wrote:
Serali wrote:
What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

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Rav Shimon
Endi

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:00 am Post subject:

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Serali wrote:
WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:20 am Post subject:

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Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible
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Qwynegold
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

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--Fat blampilpim

lol

Sorry, I didn't intend to be mean, that word just sounds funny. Blampilpim.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Qwynegold wrote:
What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.
-Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle."
-The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye.
-The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg.
-"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc.
-The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."
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Ok, here's a tricky question*: where's the canthus?

*extra points if you don't use wikipedia.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject:

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Rav Shimon wrote:
Serali wrote:
WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

Thanks! Never knew that!

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Shm Jay
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject:

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Eddy wrote:
Klit — clitoris

Now why would they have borrowed this word?

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Eddy
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject:

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Now why would they have borrowed this word?

Same reason why English did? Actually, I was lazy and didn't feel like coining a new word at the time (happens a lot with Terpish).
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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boy #12 wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:
What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.
-Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle."
-The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye.
-The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg.
-"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc.
-The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."

Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?
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boy #12
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Qwynegold wrote:
Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject:

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In Zali ["Zali]

Body tem [tEm]
-Blood vessel
--Artery
--Vein
-Material of which it is composed pu [pu] (just means "stuff", "material")
--Bone zaik [Zajk]
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
--Skin
--Muscle mad [mad]
--Fat
--Blood eik [Ejk]
-Trunk (torso) jul [dZUl]
--Chest bus [bUS]
---Heart
---Lung
--Abdomen or Belly taun [tawn]
---Stomach
---Liver
---Spleen
---Intestines
--Waist edil ["EdIl]
-Neck stiv [StIv]
-Extremity
--Head pok [pOk]
---Hair iki ["iki] (= hair on head), tal [tal] (= hair on body, fur, general word for hair)
---Ear cok [tSOk]
----Earhole cokdvad ["tSOkdvad]
----Earlobe?
---Eye og [Og]
----Eyeball ogwel ["OgwEl]
-----Iris
-----Pupil ognol ["OgnOl] (= "eyeblack")
-----Sclera ogaigu ["Ogajgu] (= "eyewhite")
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash ogtal ["Ogtal] (= "eyehair")
----Eye socket ogdvad ["Ogdvad] (= "eyehole")
----Tear gland
---Nose penk [pENk]
----Nostril penkdvad ["pENkdvad]
---Mouth sab [Sab] (= externally visible part of the mouth, ie. the lips), cik [tSIk] (= oral cavity)
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth (!I think I had a word for this, but lost it when I lost my dictionary)
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue lamil ["lamIl]
--Limb
---Arm cad [tSad]
----Shoulder zut [ZUt]
----Elbow cadwelik ["tSadwElIk] (= "armjoint")
----Wrist logwelik ["lOgwElIk] (= "handjoint")
----Humerus (upper arm) yalcad ["jaltSad] (= "toparm")
----Lower Arm loncad ["lOntSad] (= "bottomarm")
----Hand log [lOg]
-----Palm
---Leg duk [dUk]
----Hip pois [pOjS]
----Knee dukwelik ["dUkwElIk] (= "legjoint")
----Ankle dezwelik ["dEZwElIk] (= "footjoint")
----Thigh (upper leg) yalduk ["jaldUk]
----Shin hilag ["hilag] (= shin, bony part at front), oboz ["ObOZ] (= calf, muscular part at back), lenduk ["lEndUk] (= "bottomleg")
----Foot dez [dEZ]
-----Sole dezlen ["dEZlEn] (= "footbottom")
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) ix [Its]
---Nail vask [vaSk]
----Fingernail log(ix)vask ["lOg(Its)vaSk] (= "hand(digit)nail")
----Toenail dez(ix)vask ["dEZ(Its)vaSk] (= "foot(digit)nail")
---Toe dezix ["dEZIts] (= "footdigit")
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) darix ["dazIts] (= "bigdigit"), dadezix ["dadEZIts] (= "bigfootdigit")
----Pinky toe or little toe posxirix ["pOStsizIts] (= "mostlittledigit")
----Other individual toes? xidezix ["tsidEZIts] (= "littlefootdigit")
---Thumb zadix ["ZadIts] (= "importantdigit")
----Thumbnail zadixvask ["ZadItsvaSk] (= "importantdigitnail")
---Finger logix ["lOgIts]
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---Female en [En]
----vagina munu ["munu]
----womb
---male az [aZ]
----penis wung [wUN]
----testicle
-Side vel
--Back (!don't remember offhand)
--Front (!don't remember offhand)
--Left
--Right
--Bottom (lower) len- ["lEn-]
--Top (upper) yal- ["jal-]
-Orifices
--anus dumfdvad ["dUmfdvad] (= "arsehole")
--urethral meatus?

Other
breast, boob bumba ["bUmba]
arse, buttocks, bum dumf ["dUmf]
skull pokzaik ["pOkZajk] (= "headbone")

As for the other questions - they are much like us, technologically and scientifically advanced, so they know the true function of each organ, but much like us, although they know the true situation, there still remain certain cultural attachments to organs. The heart and guts are the home of the emotions - the heart beats faster with just about any intense emotion, and when it gets even more intense, the stomach aches. Consciousness was associated with the eyes, although it then became associated with the brain because people who had lost their eyes still reported being conscious - the brain was the obvious choice, being behind the eyes, and able to see through them.
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Imralu
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject:

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boy #12 wrote:
I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

In my family, it was always called the "dribble drain", which kind of doesn't make sense, because ... um, gravity goes down, so ... I don't know.

Some guy in a pub told me one night that that was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ...
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Qwynegold
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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boy #12 wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:
Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.

OK, now I understand. Thx!
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject:

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Atalant wrote:
Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible

There are several conspecies around who cannot pronounce labials, and they don't seem to mind. Ollock's Xala, for a start.
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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boy #12 wrote:
Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.

The oxygenation state is the other way round in the vessels going between the heart and the lungs. I dunno how it works before being born.

Oh, add "placenta" to the list if you want.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:10 am Post subject:

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Thanks, mavonduri, eddy, soap, imralu

Imralu wrote:
Some guy in a pub told me one night that that [the philtrum] was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ...
I heard that Plato or the Platonists said it was the "cavern angel" telling each newly-reborn soul not to tell any memories of its former lives.

So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list?
uvula
philtrum
artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart)
vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart)
portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart)
brain
back of the neck
front of the neck
back of the head
forehead
wisdom tooth
canthus
clitoris
breast
buttock
butt
skull
placenta
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:16 am Post subject:

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Atalant wrote:
Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible
No philtrums on some Fetal Alcohol Syndrome people, but Ive never heard them have a problem with labial consonants.

I'll put up the Izda Mir body parts soon. (They'll be pretty similar to Pabappa's.)
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Here are the words in Lhueslue:

Body lu /lu:/ (human), rhu /ɻu:/ (animal)
-Blood vessel ueshie-echul /yʃə:etʃu:l/ (human), ueshie-echurh /yʃə:etʃuɻ/ (animal)
--Artery ueshie-echulxhe /yʃə:etʃulxe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhxhe /yʃə:etʃuɻxe:/ (animal)
--Vein ueshie-echulqe /yʃə:etʃulqe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhqe /yʃə:etʃuɻqe:/ (animal)
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pujchul /puʒtʃu:l/ (human), pujchurh /puʒtʃu: ɻ/ (animal)
--Gristle or cartilage pubchul /pubtʃu:l/ (human), pubchurh /pubtʃu: ɻ/ (animal)
--Skin xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonynous with front side of body), xhuchurh /xutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Muscle euchul /eutʃu:l/ (human), euchurh /eutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Fat bee-chulu /bɛ:tʃulu:/ (human), bee-churhu /bɛ:tʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Blood ueshie /yʃə:/
-Trunk (torso) yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Chest yuyuchulu /jujutʃulu:/ (human), yuxhuchurhu /juxutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
---Heart ije /iʒe:/
---Lung hichul /hitʃu:l/ (human), hichurh /hitʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Abdomen or Belly zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as stomach), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as stomach)
---Stomach zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as abdomen and belly), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as abdomen and belly)
---Liver ueshie-juch /yʃə:ʒutʃ/
---Spleen tyueshie-juch /tjyʃə:ʒutʃ/
---Intestines lhunyejuch /ðˡunjeʒutʃ/
--Waist ungtudlu /uŋtudlu:/ (human), ungtudrhu /uŋtudɻu:/ (animal)
-Neck huzchul /huztʃu:l/ (human), huzchurh /huztʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-Extremity chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as limb and bodypart), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as limb and bodypart)
--Head chyuel /tʃjy:l/ (human), chyuerh /tʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)
---Hair bochyul /botʃju:l/ (human), borh /bo:ɻ/ (animal, actually fur)
---Ear su /su:/
----Earhole sujung-ie /suʒuŋə:/
----Earlobe zungsu /zuŋsu:
---Eye wu /wu:/
----Eyeball wubuzuytud /wubuzujtu:d/
-----Iris wu-wuech /wu:wytʃ/
-----Pupil wu-miewuech /wu:məwytʃ/
-----Sclera wu-fwueh /wu:fwyh/
----Eyebrow boywu /bojwu:/
----Eyelid wuyeung /wujeuŋ/
-----Eyelash bowu /bowu:/
----Eye socket wujung-iechyuel /wuʒuŋətʃjy:l/ (human), wujung-iechyuerh /wuʒuŋətʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)
----Tear gland -
---Nose nyu /nju:/
----Nostril nyujung-ie /njuʒuŋə:/
---Mouth znu /znu:/
----Jaw zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) yuzuchyul /juzutʃju:l/ (human), yuzuchyurh /juzutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Mandible (lower jaw) zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human, same as jaw), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal, same as jaw)
----Tooth poznu /poznu:/
-----Incisor poznuxhu /poznuxu:/
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth poznupú /poznupǔ:/
-----Molar poznutud /poznutu:d/ (both molar and premolar), qupoznutud /qupoznutu:d/ (molar only)
-----Premolar xhupoznutud /xupoznutu:d/
----Tongue nub /nub/
--Limb/bodypart chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as extremity), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as extremity)
---Arm zyux /zjuχ/
----Shoulder xa /χa:/
----Elbow jungzyux /ʒuŋzjuχ/
----Wrist xua /χua/
----Humerus (upper arm) yux /juχ/
----Lower Arm zux /zuχ/
----Hand xu /χu:/
-----Palm xuz /χuz/
---Leg zechul /zetʃu:l/ (human), zechurh /zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Hip azuchulu /azutʃulu:/ (human), azuchurhu /azutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
----Knee jungzechul /ʒuŋzetʃu:l/ (human), jungzechurh /ʒuŋzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Ankle chae-pyuzechul /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-pyuzechurh /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Thigh (upper leg) yuzechul /juzetʃu:l/ (human), yuzechurh /juzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Shin -
----Foot chae-zechul /tʃæ:zetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zechurh /tʃæ:zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Sole chae-zuzechul /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zuzechurh /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Heel chae-quzechul /tʃæ:quzetʃu:l (human), chae-quzechurh /tʃæ:quzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Ball -
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) chochulu /tʃotʃulu:/ (human), chochurhu /tʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal)
---Nail puchochulu /putʃotʃulu:/ (human); puchochurhu /putʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal, also means claw)
----Fingernail puchoxu /putʃoχu:/
----Toenail puchozechul /putʃozetʃu:l/ (human)
---Toe chozechul /tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), chozechurh /tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) ochozechul /otʃozetʃu:l/ (human), ochozechurh /otʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Pinky toe or little toe oe-chozechul /ø:tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), oe-chozechurh /ø:tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Second toe chozechulowu /tʃozetʃulowu:/ (human), chozechurhowu /tʃozetʃuɻowu:/ (animal)
----Third toe chozechuloqaxh /tʃozetʃuloqa:χ/ (human), chozechurhoqaxh /tʃozetʃuɻoqa:χ/ (animal)
----Fourth toe chozechulo-rhuength /tʃozetʃulo:ɻyŋθ/ (human), chozechurho-rhuength /tʃozetʃuɻo:ɻyŋθ/ (animal)
---Thumb choxutud /tʃoχutu:d/ (human), choxu-oeue /tʃoχu:øy/ (animal)
----Thumbnail puchoxutud /putʃoχutu:d/
---Finger choxu /tʃoχu:/
----Index finger choxuowu /tʃoχuowu:/
----Pinky finger oe-choxu /ø:tʃoχu:/
----Middle finger choxuoqaxh /tʃoχuoqa:x/
----Ring finger choxuo-rhuength /tʃoχuoɻyŋθ/
--genitalia vichul /vitʃu:l/ (human), vichurh /vitʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
---female ci /ɕi:/
----vagina ciljung-ie /ɕilʒuŋə:/ (human), cirhjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋə:/ (animal)
----womb iájung-ie /iǎ:ʒuŋə:/
---male ri /ri:/
----penis vichri /vitʃri:/
----testicle buzuytudri /buzujtudri:/
-Side tud /tu:d/
--Back quchul /qutʃu:l/ (human), yuchurh /jutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Front xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonymous with skin), zuchurh /zutʃu:ɻ/ (animal, actually underside)
--Left tu /tu:/
--Right du /du:/
--Lower zuchulu (human) /zutʃulu:/, quchurhu /qutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Upper yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human, same as torso), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as torso)
-Orifices chulujung-ie /tʃuluʒuŋə:/ (human), churhujung-ie /tʃuɻuʒuŋə:/ (animal)
--anus jung-ieqae /ʒuŋəqæ:/
--urethral meatus vichrijung-ie /vitʃriʒuŋə:/ (male), ciljungjung-ie /ɕilʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (human, female) cirhjungjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (animal, female)

Heh! This is probably the only language that has three words for urethral meatus.

But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?
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Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a fully developed conlang with nearly as much /u/ as that. Is it because you just like /u/ or did you do it to set this language apart from others in your conworld?
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Heh! I didn't intend it to become so common from the beginning. In Lhueslue every phoneme bears a meaning and /u/ means material. As it happened, almost every noun gets an /u/.
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Thanks, Qwynegold.
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If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum?
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Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here. Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe. But the way it is now; nah.
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TomHChappell wrote:
Thanks, Qwynegold.
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If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum?

Your welcome. Oh, and I had some questions too:
Qwynegold wrote:
But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?

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Qwynegold wrote:
But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understand the picture.
Tears are the watery, salty secretion that keeps the eyes moist. The bulk of the refracting of light during focussing is done by a thin veil of tears; the lens just fine-tunes it. Tears also contain protein (and FAIK other biological ingredients); that is why it is necessary to clean contact lenses once a day.
When the eye is irritated the production and flow of tears is increased, to the point that they leak out of the eye; the usual result is to wash out whatever is irritating the eye. When someone weeps, they often over-produce tears this same way.
Tear-glands (aka lacrimal glands) are in the upper outer corners of the eyes. In the lower inner corners of the eyes are ducts that ordinarily take tears down into the nose; if the tear-glands aren't overproducing, this is where tears usually are disposed of.

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And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?
Just think either "bottom of body" and "top of body", or "lower half of body" and "upper half of body". If you want two pairs of terms, go ahead and provide both. Otherwise take your pick.

aardwolf wrote:
Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here.

If more people responded to the following questions, would it?

I wrote:
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

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Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe.
Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?
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OK, I added upper and lower body to my post. I guess my conlang won't have a word for tear gland since it's something you can't see so the conpeople wouldn't know about it.
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TomHChappell wrote:
aardwolf wrote:
Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe.
Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?

I think you'd need things like discussion of (systematic) cultural associations (e.g. your original questions about the seat of emotion, etc.), strong cross-linguistic tendencies (always distinguishing certain body parts or not, words for the genitals being taboo/impolite), and derivation (e.g. how my conlang Old Gzho uses the same word for "arm" and "hand", but can also refer to the arm as the "hand-neck"). Also usage of body part terms for other things, i.e. verbal affixes, locative/directional expressions, etc. And investigating how changes to body structure would affect language, e.g. having no lips wouldn't just mean a lack of labial consonants - you also wouldn't be able to produce rounded vowels, which could have a big affect on the vowel inventory.
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I'm glad this thread is still around--I was thinking I might have to rederive all the Sdannískr body words, which would be irritating (and time-consuming, for that matter). I think this thread has just increased my new lexicon by half, or just about.
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I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.
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guitarplayer wrote:
I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.

Which items did you add? I'm pretty sure I included, or added, some of those; tear gland, upper and lower jaw, thigh, shin, two of the toes and "other individual toes?", and each of the fingers. I'm not sure what a shank is. I didn't include the calf, I don't think; I guess I should. I included the hips; I didn't distinguish the buttocks from the hips. I didn't get into internal organs that a layman couldn't tell were there and doing things without opening up the body; so that's why I left out the ovaries and the prostate, though I include the womb and the testes.

My last update on that was July 15 on Page 4.
TomHChappell wrote:
So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list?
uvula
philtrum
artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart)
vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart)
portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart)
brain
back of the neck
front of the neck
back of the head
forehead
wisdom tooth
canthus
clitoris
breast
buttock
butt
skull
placenta

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I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually
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My small dictionary has some basic body parts but nothing specific like artery.

ANKLE = TĀMA
ARM = RŌTA
BLOOD = PĀTA
CHEST = ShŌMĀ
ELBOW = JeĪTŌ

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guitarplayer wrote:
I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually :P
I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.
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TomHChappell wrote:
I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.

Ah, I see.

[edit] My list, so far [/edit]
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guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.
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TomHChappell wrote:
guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.

I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page.

*is puzzled*
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Rodlox wrote:
TomHChappell wrote:
guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.
I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page. *is puzzled*
If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to.
That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?
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TomHChappell wrote:
If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to.
That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?

I guess that my host doesn't allow direct linking to files other than HTML, just like Geocities. So much for free hosting.
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TomHChappell wrote:

That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?

not yet - *goes to try it*

thanks.
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I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:

For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use. Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.

People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. (I am thinking of Ilaksh in particular. How about it JQP? )
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What a smart idea!
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simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

simon.clarkstone wrote:
For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use.
For humans I don't believe more than 16 compass points in a plane are natural.
For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

simon.clarkstone wrote:
Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.
Are your Kigdatsi human?

simon.clarkstone wrote:
People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ...
Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker.
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Hel·lerà / Helleran

Body tol, estou

Blood guès
Blood vessel cabinyol guesetz “blood vessel”
Artery maxarva
Vein ôued

Bone tot
Cartilage martel•let
Skeleton gargamol, gaugamol

Skin fiu
Muscle rambe
Fat (corporal) lhud
Tendon tirant

Head pot, tuc, tuys, syet, arsyet (m), tuche, tutze (f)
Hair togès
Hair (a fiber) bli
Skull golag (m/f)
cranium raz
Neck lleg, nyoc

Ear onze, osye, oge
Earhole bosit na s’onze “hole of the ear”
Earlobe lhob na s’onze “lobe of the ear”

Eye oc, oig, uoc
Iris gavi
Pupil chelandé
Sclera bel na s’oc “white of the eye”; cýncolis (neolog)
Eyebrow tirse
Eyelid pedillou
Eyelash goume
Eye socket bou na s’oc “socket of the eye”
Tear gland dragole

Nose per
Nostril bosit nas per “hole of the nose”

Mouth tamà
Cheek guys
Jaw radagame (sg) or radagames (pl)
Maxilla (upper jaw) berosti
Mandible (lower jaw) carmazzi
Tooth gam
Incisor cartalh, gartalh “central incisor”; cartalet, gortalet “lateral incisor”
Eyetooth or Canine tooth anhac
Molar cheral “molar, second molar”; cheraló “first molar”
Tongue lheme. But "language, idiom" is lhambe
Lip jami

Trunk bros
Chest tor
Abdomen mablada
Belly beli
Lower abdomen naig beli “lower belly”; sabel

Heart lhò
Lung beloi
Stomach mansaghe
Liver sagé
Spleen vèdem
Intestines ganyalons (pl.)

Extremity, limb estighiu; espadelhe

Waist caradanç
Pelvis cadanche or tot nas caradanç “bone of the waist”
Buttock dabons (pl.) / dabó, bono and guys nas sat “cheek of the butt”
Bum, arse, butt sat
Hip bemuc
Leg (from hip to ankle) gambe
Thigh (upper leg, from hip to knee) gamays
Knee golde
Kneecap, patella gavanhol
Shank (lower leg, from knee to ankle) garme
Shin astanye
Calf tonsim na s’astanye “doughy part of the shin”
Ankle poghet
Foot pedh, madà
Heel garou
Sole mad

Shoulder espambelh (traditional), espemble (neolog)
Arm (from shoulder to wrist) ram
Arm (from shoulder to elbow) ramec
Elbow ajoc
Arm (from elbow to wrist) ramell
Wrist arbou
Hand badh
Palm pançou

Digit gartembi, cartempe (neolog)
Finger, toe ghez (traditional)
Toe (foot digit) ghez nas pedh “finger of the foot”
Finger (hand digit) ghez nas badh “finger of the hand”
Ball tonsim nas ghez “doughy part of the finger”
Thumb tigarembi, tigampó, garampó
Index finger ghez casarteu “managing/governative/guiding finger”
Middle finger ghez perís “middle finger”
Ring finger ghez nigançant “dependent finger”
Little finger ghez polzuc “small finger”

Genitalia zinyaroncs
Vagina begane
Womb gameu
Penis gozzi (traditional); felghe (neolog)
Testicle galló
Anus guada
Urethral meatus dragavàrie

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Does Helleran use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).

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Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of life?

Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of emotion?

The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of consciousness?

The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body.
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TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

North
North-one-quarter-east
North-by-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-north
North-north-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-east
North-east-by-north
North-east-one-quarter-north
North-east
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Rav Shimon wrote:

North
North-one-quarter-east
North-by-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-north
North-north-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-east
North-east-by-north
North-east-one-quarter-north
North-east
&c

Hmm. I thought halfway between North and North-by-East was "North-a-half-East" rather than "North-a-quarter-East". And so on. You are making the (N,S,E,W,NE,NW,SE,SW)-by-(N,S,E,W) be half-points instead of points.
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North, north-north-east, north-east &c are the sixteen primary points of a compass. Halfway between north and north-north-east is north-by-east (that is, the next half-point east of north), and half of that (half of half being a quarter) is north-one-qaurter-east (said point being one quarter of the way from north to the next point in an easterly direction).
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TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points.
I could have been wrong about that, but the details don't matter here.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use.
For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

The system would necessarily be as irregular and wonky as the body is. Fortunately, their limbs all have the same basic structure, so analogising could reduce the set of needed roots. (It is not the same as the pentadactyl limb system.)

TBH I am not sure how I will actually do this, or how similar to the compass system it would actually be, though cylindrical co-ordinates look promising. I mean that (e.g.) there would be no root for "elbow", but something derived from "wrist" and "shoulder". And "knee" and one of the wing-joints would be the same word, with just one part changed because they are on different limbs. Or you could refer to (e.g.) "the bottom half of the upper-right quadrant of your back" in a simple way.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.
Are your Kigdatsi human?
No. They are not even evolved, but designed. This makes them odd in many ways, though mostly good ones. It also means I will need terms for secondary brains, telekinesis organs, etc.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ...
Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker.
Nice. Not available for inter-conworld cooperation over at conworlds.info are you?
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I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
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Izo wrote:
Hel·lerà / Helleran
---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks.
Izo wrote:
....Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).
....
Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.
....
Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.
....
The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.
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The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body.
I found these especially interesting.

Zoris wrote:
I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?
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TomHChappell wrote:
Izo wrote:
Hel·lerà / Helleran
---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks.
Izo wrote:
[...]
I found these especially interesting.

Thanks to you!

TomHChappell wrote:
Zoris wrote:
I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?

Why not? I included it in the expansion of the Helleran Lexicon of Human Anatomy, which I will post in this thread as soon as I complete it (what I included on my last post was based on your list): it will include more organs, bodyparts and substances, including the names for all human bones and muscles, and a deep view of every major organ system.

The list, as I will show it, represents the medical knowledge of human anatomy as it was in the time where my novels take place.
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I'm gonna bump up this thread because I think it's full of valuable information.
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imbecilica
Mey

Joined: 10 Jan 2008

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:

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UROBASICAN

Body Corpo
-Blood vessel Vessilo de Sango
--Artery Arterio
--Vein Veîno
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Oso
--Cartilage Cartilagio
--Skin Pelo
--Muscle Musclo
--Fat Lipido
--Blood Sango
-Trunk (torso) Trongo/Torso
--Chest Caffro
---Heart Coro
---Lung Pomeno
--Abdomen or Belly Abdomeno
---Stomach Estomaco
---Liver Fusjo
---Spleen Kescauro
---Intestines Intesnós
--Waist Dasrão
-Neck Collo
-Extremity
--Head Testo
---Hair Cavero
---Ear Orelo
----Earhole Casemo d'Orelo
----Earlobe? Lûbe
---Eye Optro
----Eyeball Globo d'Optro
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupiro
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Sobbrio
----Eyelid Pardigo
-----Eyelash Cyliu
----Eye socket Domecco d'Optro
----Tear gland Glando dè Plurós
---Nose Neso
----Nostril Nestrilo
---Mouth Boco
----Jaw Macco
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandiblo
----Tooth Dento
-----Incisor Incisèro
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Primca dento
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molaro
----Tongue Languo
--Limb Omembrio
---Arm Ièbro
----Shoulder Costrio
----Elbow Vikastrio
----Wrist Pristão
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus
----Lower Arm L'ièbro surina
----Hand Maño
-----Palm Paumo
---Leg J'azabo
----Hip Fahjo
-----buttock Destro
----Knee Noremo
----Ankle Cavliniro
----Thigh (upper leg) Ecaustro
----Shank Shánk
-----Shin Shimno
-----Calf Vecravo
----Foot Pedio
-----Sole Sôle
-----Heel Talono
-----Ball Balo
--Digit Dijéto
---Nail Otrís
----Fingernail Otrís de Dijéto
----Toenail Otrís de Puçavo
---Toe Puçavo
----Pollex Pollexo
----Pinky toe or little toe Granda Puçavo
----Other individual toes? None
---Thumb Puço
----Thumbnail Otrís de Puço
---Finger Dijéto
----Index finger Dijéto Indexo
----Pinky finger Dijéto Pestanda
----Middle finger Dijéto Midiena
----Ring finger Dijéto d'Annilo
---female femaraia
----vagina vajno
----womb utero
---male maraia
----penis peneso/penetraso/pestaso
----testicle testicuro
-Side Visjeiro
--Back Destra
--Front Avastra
--Left Gosca
--Right Diréjito
--Bottom (lower) Subina
--Top (upper) Surina
-Orifices Orifiçós
--anus anús

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Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):

My apologies, this was a neat table

In, inside of - Tendet (heart) /ˈtɛndət/
Out, outside of - Twizo (shell, skull) /ˈtwizoʊ/
Around (static) - Natan (skin, bark) /natɔn/
Through (static) - Ped (stick, rod) /pɛd/
On top of, Over (static) - Miye (hair) /ˈmijə/
Above, Over (static) - Aol (cloud) /ɔβ̞͡ɫ/
Underneath - Bundu (underside) /ˈbɵndʊw/
Below - Neeza (grass) /ˈniza/
Beside, Next to - Stabed (arm) /ˈstabəd/
In front of - Danćod (chest) /ˈdɔntɕɔd/
Behind - Kee (back) /k͜xi/
At (in a place; at a moment) - Se /sə/
Over (dynamic) - Meyl (wing) /ˈmɛil/
Under, Before - Asper (water) /ˈaspər/
Through (dynamic), During, While being in - Ense (spear) /ˈɛnsə/
Past, After - Huś (wind) /hʊɕ/
From elsewhere towards here - Sitei (source of river) /ˈsiti/
Towards a specific location Ula (gaze) /ˈʊla/
Away from here - Pridas (buttocks) /ˈpridas/
Alongside - Dedomheyet (lover, lit hand-holder) /dədɔˈmejət/ < relatively recent addition to the pronoun list, con-historically
Off - Away, from touching - Donin (fall) /ˈdɔnɘn/
Into (place, area, state) - Raowemelek (field of view) /rɔwəˈmeilək/ (always makes me think 'raw milk')
Out of (place, area, state) - Meśa (leaf bud) /ˈmeiɕa/
Around (dynamic) - Malman (orbit) /ˈmɔlmɔn/, dynamic form of /ˈmɔlma/, hug
Moving around the inside of area or place - Sefse (sniff around) /ˈsɛfsə/

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And no, this is not a confusing system. Talanese requires articles for nouns pretty much all the time (because nouns themselves don't inflect much), and of course prepositions don't have articles. It all came to me when I was reading a rather interesting text that had something to do with perception of time, progress and motion in Mediaeval paintings in the library. Actually, my whole TAM system is built upon inspiration drawn from that!
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As for the body parts list, well... I haven't filled out much, yet, because I've chosen to do it elaborately. I have more words for body parts than there are on this list, but I just haven't reached them yet while filling it out!

Thanks for providing it, though.
Here's what I have so far (.htm converted from .doc) http://www.by002.net/~neuteboo/bodyparts.htm

I'll get there... some time!

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This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise!
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Izo
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Soap wrote:
This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise!

Two weeks ago I saw it was close of being pruned and I thought of posting here to retain it, but finally I forgot to do it... . Luckily I'm not the only one that will post soon here!
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Might it be a good idea to move this list to someplace it won't expire from, like a wiki? Maybe KneeQuickie? Or frathwiki? Or Chris Bates's linguistics wiki? Or the Conlang Wikia?
Or even L&L Museum?
I can move it to KneeQuickie, I think. I probably need Neek's permission first. Same with the others; maybe I can do it, but I probably need the owners' permission.
But I can't move it to the Museum.

dinnae wrote:
Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):
Hey, that's neat! Thanks.
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Quote:
I probably need Neek's permission first.
The KQ is down right now and Neek's doing basic training so he probably wont be able to fix it anytime soon. Nevertheless, I think that in the long term that or some other wiki might be a good idea.

Edit: the KQ is back; it looks like he has monthly bandwidth caps, and he exceeded it in April, but it's back now that it's May.
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Here's some of the body parts that I have in Danšlağ. I haven't really gotten specific with them, although I have got the "main" ones.

body- ri
nose- nopu
ear- yakušu
mouth- slata
eye- aslo
tongue- zabu
teeth- clač
tonsils- kakraku
neck- uxač
hair- skoru
head- baru
shoulder- tuŵ
arm- cura
hand- ğeš
finger- baklaŵer
fingernail- baklaŵeruka
thumb- kuku
chest- orka
breast- ğuš
stomach- iču
lungs- abačeraku
leg- laŵe
ankle- etai
foot- teš
toe- kuklaŵer
toenail- kaklaŵeruka
genital- irosi
penis- bamu
vagina- omaru

That's pretty much all I have so far. I'm sure I'll add more after reading this, though.
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Mecislau
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject:

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Novegradian:

Body тѣло tiě́lo
-Blood vessel кревоносита жила krevonósita žíla (lit. "blood-carrying vessel")
--Artery артеря artiéria
--Vein вена véna
-Material of which it is composed матеряљ зе котраево состаулене materiáł ze kotrájevo sostáulene
--Bone кости kósti
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) хреце hréce
--Skin плоти plóti
--Muscle мишка míška
--Fat туке túke
--Blood крев krév
-Trunk (torso) торсе tórse
--Chest грандина дантина grándina dántina (lit. "breast cavity")
---Heart серце siérce
---Lung плуце plúce
--Abdomen or Belly желудок želudók (not distinguished from "stomach")
---Stomach желудок želudók
---Liver етро iétro
---Spleen слезени sleziéni
---Intestines есто iésto
--Waist таля tália
-Neck шия šíja
-Extremity концина kóncina
--Head глава gláva
---Hair власи vlási
---Ear оху óhu
----Earhole ---
----Earlobe? ---
---Eye око óko
----Eyeball оцное яблоко ócnoje iábloko (lit. "eye apple")
-----Iris оцное кољце ócnoje kołcé (lit. "eye ring")
-----Pupil оцней дѣде ócnej dědié (lit. "eye child")
-----Sclera бѣлое око bě́loje óko (lit. "white eye")
----Eyebrow брев brév
----Eyelid вѣко vě́ko
-----Eyelash ресница résnica or ресна résna
----Eye socket оцней доље ócnej dółe (lit. "eye pit")
----Tear gland слезная жлеза sléznaja žlezá
---Nose носе nóse
----Nostril носдера nosderá
---Mouth роте róte
----Jaw целусти célusti
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) верхеная целусти verhénaja célusti (lit. "upper jaw")
-----Mandible (lower jaw) нижная целусти nížnaja célusti (lit. "lower jaw")
----Tooth забе zábe
-----Incisor предней забе prédnej zábe (lit. "foretooth")
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth коле kóle
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) глауней забе gláunej zábe (lit. "headtooth")
----Tongue лизике lizíke
--Limb концина kóncina (not distinguished from "extremity")
---Arm рока róka (not distinguished from "hand")
----Shoulder плеѕо pledzó (not distinguished from "upper arm")
----Elbow лакоти lákoti
----Wrist подруцие podrucjé (lit. "beneath the hand")
----Humerus (upper arm) плеѕо pledzó (common usage, not distinguished from "shoulder") or надлакоцие nadlakocjé (lit. "above the elbow", in medical usage)
----Lower Arm предлакоцие predlakocjé (largely medical usage)
----Hand рока róka (not distinguished from "arm")
-----Palm длани dláni
---Leg нога nogá (not distinguished from "foot")
----Hip ланцо lancó
-----buttock (if different) заде záde (lit. "rear, behind")
----Knee колѣно kolě́no
----Ankle глезне glézne
----Thigh (upper leg) бедро bedró
----Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle) голени goléni (not distinguished from "shin")
-----Shin голени goléni (not distinguished from "shank")
-----Calf лиска líska
----Foot нога nogá (common usage, not distinguished from "leg") or пѣхе pě́he (largely medical usage)
-----Sole позпѣшие pozpěšjé (lit. "under the foot")
-----Heel пида pidá
-----Ball ---
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) порсте pórste
---Nail ноготи nógoti
----Fingernail ноготи рокѣ nógoti rókě (lit. "nail on the hand")
----Toenail ноготи ногѣ nógoti nogiě́ (lit. "nail on the foot")
---Toe порсте на ногѣ pórste nogiě́ (lit. "digit on the foot")
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) палоке ногѣ páloke nogiě́ (lit. "thumb on the foot")
----Pinky toe or little toe вейка ногѣ véjka nogiě́ (lit. "little digit on the foot")
----Other individual toes? -just find the equivalent finger name and add ногѣ; each finger name can refer to either the finger or the equivalent toe, though in common usage it is generally assumed that the hand is meant unless otherwise specified or context makes it clear
---Thumb палоке páloke
----Thumbnail ноготи палокѣ nógoti pálokě (lit. "nail on the thumb")
---Finger порсте pórste (like the individual fingers and toes, this term can refer to either a finger or toe in general, but by default is assumed to refer to the fingers)
----Index finger предовоке predovóke (lit. "the front one")
----Pinky finger вейка véjka (lit. "little twig")
----Middle finger срединоке sredinóke (lit. "the middle one")
----Ring finger безимѣнноке beziměnnóke (lit. "the unnamed one", a name you see in Russian and several Uralic languages)
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! плодовии plodóviji (lit. "[organs for] producing offspring")
---female женески плодовии žéneski plodóviji
----vagina туло túlo
----womb трево trévo
---male мужески плодовии múžeski plodóviji
----penis шлене šléne (lit. "member")
----testicle яйѕок iajdzók (lit. "little egg")
-Side страна straná
--Back заде záde (for the back part of the body) or спина spína (for the actual back/spine)
--Front преде préde
--Left лѣво lě́vo
--Right право právo
--Bottom (lower) низе níze
--Top (upper) верхе vérhe
-Orifices отуоре ótuore
--anus задней отуоре zádnej ótuore (lit. "rear orifice")
--urethral meatus? --

Misc:
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--bladder пуғири puğíri (lit. "bubble")
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--lip осту óstu
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TomHChappell
Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Again, apologies to Janko.
This goes with his "Numbers ..."; it also goes with the threads "Kinterms ..." and "Colorterms ..." which I started in this forum.

How many, and who, among us have more-or-less completish vocabularies for body parts in some of our conlangs? And which conlangs?

("Not me, yet", is, I'm afraid, my first contribution.)

Here's my attempt at an outline. If you find it incomplete, add stuff; if you find a different order would be better, re-arrange it; and if you find it makes "different" things your conlang would make "same", edit it.

Body
-Blood vessel
--Artery
--Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
--Skin
--Muscle
--Fat
--Blood
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest
---Heart
---Lung
--Abdomen or Belly
---Stomach
---Liver
---Spleen
---Intestines
--Waist
-Neck
-Extremity
--Head
---Hair
---Ear
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose
----Nostril
---Mouth
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg
----Hip
-----buttock (if different)
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle)
-----Shin
-----Calf
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
-Side
--Back
--Front
--Left
--Right
--Bottom (lower)
--Top (upper)
-Orifices
--anus
--urethral meatus?
--vagina was covered under "genitalia".
--mouth and nose and ear were covered under "head". So was "eye", but your conlang might not consider that an orifice.

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I am looking forward to the answers!

Thanks, in advance.
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Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)
</EDIT>

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<EDIT:>
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:29 am Post subject:

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Soap
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Joined: 16 Feb 2003
Location: Soapatopia
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
-Blood vessel tamapop
--Artery tamap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pansa
--Skin perebi
--Muscle soppi
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
--Blood tapema
-Trunk (torso) sumpobi
--Chest pammum
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
---Stomach pemarapupi
---Liver pabapi
---Spleen barrampi
---Intestines wampupi
--Waist pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Hair wesum
---Ear uma, sobopi
----Earhole umabosadepi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Iris pispadapi
-----Pupil pispaliapi
-----Sclera no word yet
----Eyebrow pisamblesum
----Eyelid osinipi
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
----Eye socket opposadepi
----Tear gland liblapampi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Nostril taposadepi
---Mouth popopi
----Jaw poposopi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Tongue blampi
--Limb pemia
---Arm pemia
----Shoulder maba
----Elbow pemiabimbra
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
---Leg pampipi
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Knee pimbra
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
----Shin no word yet
----Foot aspi
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
---Nail ebbi
----Fingernail ebbi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
----Thumbnail arpebbi
---Finger sempi
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Side popapitabi
--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--Front jubipi
--Left blumperbap
--Right porpubat
--Bottom (lower) purpa
--Top (upper) pimpampi
-Orifices
--anus parpab
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More:
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
clitoris: pubi
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi
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TomHChappell
Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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cromulant wrote:

Your forgot the Isles of Langerhans.

I tried to leave out most things that were microscopic (like the Islets), and most things that were not visible on the surface (like the Islets).

(I also left out the Organ of Zuckerkandl, which resides in the arch of the aorta. Nobody seems to know what it's for.)

(And I left out the voicebox or larynx, and other parts of the speech system. Perhaps I should have included some of them. Others are welcome to, if they feel it would be good to do so.)

Bones and blood and stomachs-and-or-intestines and hearts and wombs, however, seemed like I should include them.

Blood is often visible on the surface, after a minor injury.

If bone is visible on the surface, a major injury has occurred; but one can detect the bone from the outside by touch.

Hearts move and make a sound detectable from the outside.

The same is true of the stomach-and-or-intestines; furthermore the owner of the stomach can often tell when it's empty, or when it wants to operate in reverse (the name of that sensation is "nausea").

Wombs have visible results; and their owners know what's going on in them. (Actually, I've been kicked awake by an unborn baby whose mother slept through the kick!)

As for livers and spleens and sweetbreads and so on: They are often referred to in old-fashioned conversations preceding the advent of modern medicine; I assume that the practice of butchery, together with those of surgery and veterinary and medicine, familiarized people with some of them. In some Native North American languages, for instance, an automobile's battery is referred to as its "liver".

It would be reasonable for some conlangs not to have all of these, and for others to have body-part terms in addition to these.

cromulant wrote:

My word for arm is khaib.
I'll get back to you on all the others.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
-Blood vessel tamapop
--Artery tamap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pansa
--Skin perebi
--Muscle soppi
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
--Blood tapema
-Trunk (torso) sumpobi
--Chest pammum
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
---Stomach pemarapupi
---Liver pabapi
---Spleen barrampi
---Intestines wampupi
--Waist pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Hair wesum
---Ear uma, sobopi
----Earhole umabosadepi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Iris pispadapi
-----Pupil pispaliapi
-----Sclera no word yet
----Eyebrow pisamblesum
----Eyelid osinipi
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
----Eye socket opposadepi
----Tear gland liblapampi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Nostril taposadepi
---Mouth popopi
----Jaw poposopi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Tongue blampi
--Limb pemia
---Arm pemia
----Shoulder maba
----Elbow pemiabimbra
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
---Leg pampipi
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Knee pimbra
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
----Shin no word yet
----Foot aspi
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
---Nail ebbi
----Fingernail ebbi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
----Thumbnail arpebbi
---Finger sempi
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Side popapitabi
--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--Front jubipi
--Left blumperbap
--Right porpubat
--Bottom (lower) purpa
--Top (upper) pimpampi
-Orifices
--anus parpab
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More:
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
clitoris: pubi
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Thanks.
What's the name of your conlang?

Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Ear uma, sobopi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Why more than one word?
In some cases, viz.
Kuvdamos wrote:

--Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem

it looks like you need a phrase to distinguish from some other body-part;
but in some cases, viz.
Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Ear uma, sobopi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

it looks like you have more than one term which are interpretable by the same "English" term.
In the latter cases, is that because your conlang makes a distinction "English" doesn't (actually, that I didn't?)
Or do you have two different synonyms? In which case when is it appropriate to use the one, and when the other?

Kuvdamos wrote:

-----Sclera no word yet
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Shin no word yet
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet

Fine. Not all languages have words for these. Yours may end up needing phrases for some of these.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----testicle lespapi (plural only)

Fine. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

OK. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Eyebrow pisamblesum
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)

That's fine, probably.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?

Yes!
I have edited it.
Do you have a word for "thigh" in your conlang?

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Tom H.C. in MI
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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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(Accidental duplicate post I was not able to delete.)
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doctrellor
Šalea

Joined: 19 Oct 2003
Location: Land of 10,000 lakes..:)
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)

I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail

like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on

so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem

I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..
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Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?

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TomHChappell
Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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doctrellor wrote:

TomHChappell wrote:

Does your conlang ... use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail
like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on
so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem
I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

Thanks. I look forward to it.
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Goza Lesha
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Joined: 08 Oct 2006

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject:

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(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.

These are the ones I have words for:

Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:

Body Body
-Blood vessel Bleed Vessel
--Artery Artery
--Vein Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Bone
--Skin Skin
--Muscle Muscle
--Fat Fat
--Blood Bleed
-Trunk (torso) Torso
--Chest Chest
---Heart Heart
---Lung Lung
--Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly
---Stomach Stomach
---Liver Liver
---Spleen Sploon
---Intestines Intestines
--Waist Waist
-Neck Neck
-Extremity Extremity
--Head Hed
---Hair Hair
---Ear Ear
----Earhole Ear Canal
---Eye Eye
----Eyeball Eyeball
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupil
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Eyebrow
----Eyelid Eyelid
-----Eyelash Eyelash
----Eye socket Eye socket
----Tear gland Tear Gland
---Nose Nose
----Nostril Nostril
---Mouth Mouth
----Jaw Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw
----Tooth Tooth
-----Incisor Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar
----Tongue Tongue
--Limb Limb
---Arm Arm
----Shoulder Shoulder
----Elbow Elbow
----Wrist Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm
----Lower Arm Lower Arm
----Hand Hand
-----Palm Palm
---Leg Leg
----Hip Hip
----Knee Knoo
----Ankle Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg
----Shin Shin
----Foot Foot
-----Sole Sole
-----Ball Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit
---Nail Nail
----Fingernail Fingernail
----Toenail Toenail
---Toe Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe
----Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe
----Other toes? Toes
---Thumb Thumb
----Thumbnail Thumbnail
---Finger Finger
----Index finger Index Finger
----Pinky finger Pinky Finger
----Middle finger Middle Finger
----Ring finger Ring Finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals
---female Female
----vagina Vagina
----womb Womb
---male Male
----penis Penis
----testicle Testicle
-Side Side
--Back Back
--Front Front
--Left Left
--Right Right
--Bottom (lower) Bottom
--Top (upper) Top
-Orifices Orifices
--anus Anus
--urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

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Sploon! Fabulous! (But shouldn't it be weemb?)
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What about the oonus?

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Wow, I've got almost nothing....

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis)
eye - simah
eyes - soemaef
lip - zilh
muscle - hacaz (also means meat)
fat - jeikosc
throat - vezop
genitalia - vuseis
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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:19 am Post subject:

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Goza Lesha wrote:

(For Zevino'shoma)
This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.
These are the ones I have words for:
Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

Great! Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote:

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:
Body Body
-Blood vessel Bleed Vessel
--Artery Artery
--Vein Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Bone
--Skin Skin
--Muscle Muscle
--Fat Fat
--Blood Bleed
-Trunk (torso) Torso
--Chest Chest
---Heart Heart
---Lung Lung
--Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly
---Stomach Stomach
---Liver Liver
---Spleen Sploon
---Intestines Intestines
--Waist Waist
-Neck Neck
-Extremity Extremity
--Head Hed
---Hair Hair
---Ear Ear
----Earhole Ear Canal
---Eye Eye
----Eyeball Eyeball
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupil
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Eyebrow
----Eyelid Eyelid
-----Eyelash Eyelash
----Eye socket Eye socket
----Tear gland Tear Gland
---Nose Nose
----Nostril Nostril
---Mouth Mouth
----Jaw Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw
----Tooth Tooth
-----Incisor Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar
----Tongue Tongue
--Limb Limb
---Arm Arm
----Shoulder Shoulder
----Elbow Elbow
----Wrist Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm
----Lower Arm Lower Arm
----Hand Hand
-----Palm Palm
---Leg Leg
----Hip Hip
----Knee Knoo
----Ankle Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg
----Shin Shin
----Foot Foot
-----Sole Sole
-----Ball Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit
---Nail Nail
----Fingernail Fingernail
----Toenail Toenail
---Toe Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe
----Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe
----Other toes? Toes
---Thumb Thumb
----Thumbnail Thumbnail
---Finger Finger
----Index finger Index Finger
----Pinky finger Pinky Finger
----Middle finger Middle Finger
----Ring finger Ring Finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals
---female Female
----vagina Vagina
----womb Womb
---male Male
----penis Penis
----testicle Testicle
-Side Side
--Back Back
--Front Front
--Left Left
--Right Right
--Bottom (lower) Bottom
--Top (upper) Top
-Orifices Orifices
--anus Anus
--urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

Weird! Thanks. I look forward to seeing what the diachronic relationship to English is.

schwhatever wrote:

Wow, I've got almost nothing....

I've got you beat; I've got exactly nothing!

schwhatever wrote:

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis)
eye - simah
eyes - soemaef
lip - zilh
muscle - hacaz (also means meat)
fat - jeikosc
throat - vezop
genitalia - vuseis

What's the name of your conlang?

schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah
eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it?
I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

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Thanks, schwhatever.
Thanks, everyone.

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:

<EDIT>
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)
</EDIT>

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

TomHChappell wrote:

<EDIT>
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".
</EDIT>

Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)
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TomHChappell
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Radagast wrote:

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

That's the kind of thing I wanted to know about.
What's the answer for Mèlw?

Radagast wrote:

Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes

Thanks.

Radagast wrote:

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

Interesting!
Thanks.

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:53 am Post subject:

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Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject:

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THC wrote:
What's the name of your conlang?
Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Quote:
Why more than one word?
The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually. Is this all going to a database somewhere or are you just curious?

cromulant wrote:
Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?
Yes. Pabappa started as a jokelang three years ago, but I got too attached to it to let it remain as such.
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."
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Goza Lesha
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject:

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Terran humans for this: (Muphridian language)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Brain

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

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I have a few in Palhàwan:

body - ë̀yro
head - ë̀yròi
hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar
mouth - lhàma
nose - tìa
eye - àsþol
ear - fazs
tooth - b̀àma
tongue )- dàðel
neck - wonh
arm - telumàrel
hand - telùmar
knee - wòxin
leg - wòxel
foot - woxh
heart - selùmel
skin -nìam
blood -mìrim

Seat of Life:
Head

Seat of Emotion:
Heart

Seat of Consciousness:
Head

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TomHChappell
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:28 am Post subject:

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Radagast wrote:

Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

THC wrote:

What's the name of your conlang?

Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Quote:

Why more than one word?

The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

Kind of what I thought. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually.

Let us know? Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Is this all going to a database somewhere

I wish!

Kuvdamos wrote:

or are you just curious?

'Fraid so.
My own computer has no internet connection; "my" internet connection is not on my own computer. It takes more technical skill than I have been able to acquire as yet to put all this in a database someplace. But, if Janko can do it, I should be able to as well, shouldn't I? I just don't know how.

Delalyra wrote:

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

Interesting; thanks.
(I have been told -- I don't know whether it's true -- that in "modern western" societies, men tend to see certain parts of their bodies as the "center of their sexual attractiveness", whereas women OTOH see each and every part of their bodies as the "center(?) of their sexual attractiveness". Your Vernaclerians' thinking that each part of their body is the "seat of life" sounds a little like the latter. But do they feel that way about hair and nails? And excretions such as sweat and saliva and earwax?)

Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this:
(Muphridian language)
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

Raluv wrote:

I have a few in Palhàwan:
body - ë̀yro
head - ë̀yròi
hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar
mouth - lhàma
nose - tìa
eye - àsþol
ear - fazs
tooth - b̀àma
tongue )- dàðel
neck - wonh
arm - telumàrel
hand - telùmar
knee - wòxin
leg - wòxel
foot - woxh
heart - selùmel
skin -nìam
blood -mìrim

Seat of Life: Head
Seat of Emotion: Heart
Seat of Consciousness: Head

Thanks.
"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they?
"wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they?
Are there other relationships I've missed?
Thanks again.

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:44 am Post subject:

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Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject:

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Here u go

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Oric
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
...I...have ...penis

By the way, what city are you from? SE is nowhere close to where I visit- I go to West Branch (the smiley-face city) annually.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject:

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Gevey does better than I expected on body parts - lots of words/concepts still missing, though. Most of these words have been generated to meet various translation exercise requirements:

Simple animate status body parts:
aelne (aeln) ear
bazhjarhe (bazhjarh) thumb
bazhve (bazhev) finger
becye (beceey) skin
khuane (khuant) womb
me'he (met) throat
shaawe (shaawg) hand
shkipe (shkip) heart
shlune (shlum) nose, snout
slofre (slofehr) head
wanhe (wang) eye
woole (wool) face, visage
yeetse (yeetes) tongue
zwi'he (zwit) blood

Inanimate status body parts:
cesuu (cesk) body, torso
drestuu (drest) forehead
ezekuu (ezek) foot, paw
friskuu (frisk) guts, intestines
ghimuu (ghim) muscle
grupuu (grup) hair, fur, wool
joejuu (joej) leg
koguu (kog) bone
osucuu (osuc) stomach, belly
poyuu (poy) chin
raekhwuu (raekhouwg) shoulder
rhuuluu (rhuul) tooth
shewuu (shewg) back, saddle
shnaathuu (shnaath) placenta
storuu (stor) chest
ubulhuu (ubul) neck
vroiduu (vroid) arm
zdanuu (zdant) skull

Body products (all inanimate status):
thakluu becyizhuu (yuu becyizhuu thakel) spot, zit
ma'haelhuu (ma'hael) urine, piss
ma'haelhuu zdanizhuu (yuu zdanizhuu ma'hael) phlegm
mabecyuu (mabeceey) sweat
zwibecyuu (zwibeceey) scab

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Delalyra
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject:

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daryush wrote:
amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject:

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daryush wrote:
Here u go

That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

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Delalyra wrote:

daryush wrote:

amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.

Whimemsz wrote:

daryush wrote:

Here u go

That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?

What they said. Amazing, Turkish-oid, all of it.

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It was originally an auxlang for Turkish before I decided to build a conworld around it ... so yeah, its absurdly heavily influenced (there is quite a bit of con- in it, though )

Thanks for the comments btw
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this:
(Muphridian language)
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

I don't have much of the history of the Muphridian language (or the Muphridians), but there is a general overview there of the history, and the language here: http://scjuwiki.azivelar.net/wiki/Muphridian_Language. (under construction)

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
What's the name of your conlang?

Faranit. Although there is a little ambiguity.

TomHChappell wrote:
schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah
eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

It's left over from an older plural system similar to German's lengthening system. I haven't worked out the specifics yet, unfortunately. It irregular, but with some method to its madness, as you can see the remnents of the earlier plural system, but also a worn down version of the later -(I/E)b system.

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schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it?
I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

Maybe? It was buried in my lexicon and I thought I might as well...

Quote:
schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

No, it's the same.

Quote:
schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

Thanks.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:41 pm Post subject:

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Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject:

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MustangDan15 wrote:
Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject:

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Thanks, Sano.

Sano wrote:

MustangDan15 wrote:
Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.

Qatama: English:

anaq head
anuq ear(s)
ongo eye(s)
okota heart
toru back
taruya hip/waist
tara belly/stomach
utar chest/breast
nogra feet/toes
anuja leg
udan hand/arm
qongo joint
gan bone
gua mouth/face
ogua facial hair
uha skin
udanju fingers/knuckles
dong nose
g'tla shoulder
qono muscle
anaqra neck
guata teeth
guaja tongue
unuq hair

-Khang

1) Did I do that right?

2) Why did you quote yourself?
2a) Apparently you had already answered this question in some other post. Where? and what post?

3) The word "nogra feet/toes" reminds me a bit of Russian; but the rest of the list doesn't remind me of any language in particular. Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Again, Thanks.
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject:

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Quote:
Did I do that right?

Better than I did.

Quote:
Why did you quote yourself?, Where?

ease, CBB

Quote:
Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Not at all.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

1) the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

2)The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

3) The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

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Old Man Neek
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.

The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.

The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:
* A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
* An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
* Direction.

This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.

The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.

When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.

Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.

I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

[Edit]Dumb grammar.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject:

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Quote:

"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they?
"wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they?
Are there other relationships I've missed?

The suffix "-el" means something like "the source of." So "telùmar" is hand, and "telumàrel" is literally "hand source", or the arm. With "woxh," which is foot, the h is silent and then dropped when the suffix is added making "wòxel," or leg. "Wòxin" is foot with the suffix for what equates to "middle." There are a few more like "ë̀ro" and "ë̀roi" for body and head. "ërotelùmar," meaning hair, is also related believe it or not, to hand, literally meaning "little hands."

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject:

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I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject:

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Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no;
it just slipped my mind completely!
I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started.
The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no;
it just slipped my mind completely!
I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started.
The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

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It's awwwwwwwwwwwwwright
I should have my post here by the end of the week.
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject:

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Radioguy wrote:

I should have my post here by the end of the week.

I'm still looking forward to it.
Thanks.
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject:

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Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman)
tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`]
tongue - šuun [s`u:n]
alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L]
palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h]
velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm]
uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx]
glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject:

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I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s)
gums
palate
uvula
throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing)
throat, thrachea, windpipe
breast, tit, teat
nipple
belly button
tendon
forehead
temple
bladder
calf
butt, buttocks, ass/arse
pelvis
spine, backbone
skull
rib(s) / ribcage

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Body Kanana
-Blood vessel aka
--Artery akala
--Vein akawana
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone ohakao
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala
--Skin lamaha
--Muscle kako
--Fat lapala
--Blood koko
-Trunk (torso) koho
--Chest hahaka
---Heart 'alona
---Lung lana
--Abdomen or Belly po'o
---Stomach 'ahakalo
---Liver lawala
---Spleen hapalana
---Intestines po'oloko
--Waist hopa
-Neck na'a
-Extremity
--Head opo'o
---Hair ma'awa
---Ear kalana
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye 'alo
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose aho
----Nostril
---Mouth waha
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm lana
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg wawa
----Hip
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--genitalia
---female
----vagina kala
----womb halapapa
---male
----penis ola
----testicle paopao
-Side kaha
--Back mola
--Front moa
--Left maoa
--Right makao
--Bottom (lower) lalo
--Top (upper) lona
--anus anoho
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:26 am Post subject:

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Sdannískr

Lihhámr (body)
-Flǽskr (flesh)
--Bǽnr (bone)
--Flǽskr (flesh)
--Kríǥr (strength--muscle)
--Tálgr (fat)
--Bloðís (blood)
-Búlr (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso)
--Bármr (chest)
---Hǽrto (heart)
---Lúnǥwr (lung)
---Brýstr (breast)
--Hrǽfr (abdomen)
--Gérþ (waist)
-Hálsr (neck)
-Strǽkætiwr (limbs, lit. "extendeds")
--Hǿvuð (head)
---Hǽrr (hair)
---Ǿro (ear)
---Ǿǥa (eye)
----Bréhwo (eyelash)
---Snútr (nose)
---Múnþr (mouth)
----Kǿko (jaw)
----Tánþr (tooth)
----Túngo (tongue)
--Lím (limb)
---Ármr (harm)
----Sklúðro (shoulder)
----Wrístr (wrist)
----Múndr (hand)
-----Lófr (palm)
---Hýpr (hip)
---Kníw (knee)
---Ánkulwr (ankle)
---Þýhr (thigh)
---Skíno (shin)
---Fót (foot)
----Lǽstr (sole)
----Hahílr (heel)
--Fíngrr (toe or thumb or finger)
---Tǽhwo (toe)
---Ðúmo (thumb)
--Grúnd (groin)
--Fúlwatos (genitals/groin area, lit. "hiddens")
---Blédr (bladder)
---Ársr (butt)
----Arskúlr (anus)
---Kwénir (woman)
----Slít (vagina)
----Wámb (womb)
---Mánnr (man)
----Sǽkkr (scrotum)
----Fýrnr (penis)
----Bállukr (testicle)
-Síðo (side)
--Hrýng (back)
--Fǿro (front)
--Hlǿmr (left)
--Ríhtr (right)
--Bóð (bottom)
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Body - elwer - ellor
-Blood vessel - uía - clœya
--Artery - súloŋ
--Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed
--Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha
--Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@]
--Muscle - deuma - tóimma
--Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj]
--Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@]
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest - ámos
---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w]
---Lung - sválode - sbállod
--Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm
---Stomach - byallo - beáll
---Liver - bóyar - póughar
---Spleen - quellego
---Pancreas - felgeustar
---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@]
--Waist
-Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l]
-Extremity
--Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn]
---Hair - fille - híll
---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]
----Earhole
----Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma
---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]
----Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)
-----Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]
-----Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth
----Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth
-----Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag
----Eye socket - sattuce
----Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)
---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg
----Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog
---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga
----Jaw - vaugo - vóugh
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo
-----Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo
----Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág
-----Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)
----Tongue - maiga - máigga
--Limb
---Arm - lámo - láom
----Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]
----Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]
----Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]
-----Palm - yéna
---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]
----Hip - rωbe - rúaibh
----Knee - nébos - néobhas
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]
-----Sole - sumba
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-
----Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)
----Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)
---Toe - derdon
---Thumb - duntice
---Finger - dún - tún
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female - quenwe
----vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)
----womb - urwa - urbha
---male - donya
----penis - litto - líott [Lit]
----testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh
-Orifices
--anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis
pus - peugema
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TomHChappell
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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bulbaquil wrote:

Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman)
tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`]
tongue - šuun [s`u:n]
alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L]
palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h]
velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm]
uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx]
glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s)
gums
palate
uvula
throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing)
throat, thrachea, windpipe
breast, tit, teat
nipple
belly button
tendon
forehead
temple
bladder
calf
butt, buttocks, ass/arse
pelvis
spine, backbone
skull
rib(s) / ribcage

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?

"Breast" might not apply to non-mammals.
Nevertheless it should be included. Thanks for bringing it up.
"Ass/arse" should obviously apply to nearly any animal, even sea-squirts.
Thanks for including it.

Turtlehead wrote:

Body Kanana
-Blood vessel aka
--Artery akala
--Vein akawana
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone ohakao
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala
--Skin lamaha
--Muscle kako
--Fat lapala
--Blood koko
-Trunk (torso) koho
--Chest hahaka
---Heart 'alona
---Lung lana
--Abdomen or Belly po'o
---Stomach 'ahakalo
---Liver lawala
---Spleen hapalana
---Intestines po'oloko
--Waist hopa
-Neck na'a
-Extremity
--Head opo'o
---Hair ma'awa
---Ear kalana
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye 'alo
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose aho
----Nostril
---Mouth waha
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm lana
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg wawa
----Hip
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--genitalia
---female
----vagina kala
----womb halapapa
---male
----penis ola
----testicle paopao
-Side kaha
--Back mola
--Front moa
--Left maoa
--Right makao
--Bottom (lower) lalo
--Top (upper) lona
--anus anoho

Interesting! Thanks.

Arunaza wrote:

Svannískar

Lik-hámar (body)
-Flǽskar (flesh)
--Bǽnar (bone)
--Flǽskar (flesh)
--Krígar (strength--muscle)
--Tálgar (fat)
--Bloðísøam (blood)
-Búlar (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso)
--Bármar (chest)
---Hérto (heart)
---Lúnġwar (lung)
--Hrǽfir (abdomen)
--Gérþu (waist)
-Hálsar (neck)
-Strǽkætiwir (limbs, lit. "extendeds")
--Haúbuðam (head)
---Hǽrar (hair)
---Aúro (ear)
---Aúġa (eye)
----Bréhwo (eyelash)
---Snútar (nose)
---Múnþar (mouth)
----Kaúko (jaw)
----Tánþar (tooth)
----Túngo (tongue)
--Límu (limb)
---Ármar (harm)
----Sklúðro (shoulder)
----Urístir (wrist)
----Múndar (hand)
-----Lófar (palm)
---Hýpir (hip)
---Kníwam (knee)
---Ánkulwar (ankle)
---Þýhar (thigh)
---Skíno (shin)
---Fótam (foot)
----Lǽstar (sole)
----Hahílar (heel)
--Fíngrar (toe or thumb or finger)
---Tǽhwo (toe)
---Ðúmo (thumb)
--Fúlwatar (genitals, lit. "hiddens")
---Kwénir (woman)
----Slítam (vagina)
----Wámbam
---Mánnar (man)
----Fýrnir (penis)
----Bállukar (testicle)
-Síðo (side)
--Hrýggam (back)
--Faúro (front)
--Hleúmar (left)
--Ríhtar (right)
--Bóðam (bottom)

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand.
Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

Waldkater wrote:

Body - elwer - ellor
-Blood vessel - uía - clœya
--Artery - súloŋ
--Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed
--Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha
--Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@]
--Muscle - deuma - tóimma
--Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj]
--Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@]
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest - ámos
---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w]
---Lung - sválode - sbállod
--Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm
---Stomach - byallo - beáll
---Liver - bóyar - póughar
---Spleen - quellego
---Pancreas - felgeustar
---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@]
--Waist
-Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l]
-Extremity
--Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn]
---Hair - fille - híll
---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]
----Earhole
----Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma
---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]
----Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)
-----Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]
-----Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth
----Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth
-----Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag
----Eye socket - sattuce
----Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)
---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg
----Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog
---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga
----Jaw - vaugo - vóugh
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo
-----Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo
----Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág
-----Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)
----Tongue - maiga - máigga
--Limb
---Arm - lámo - láom
----Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]
----Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]
----Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]
-----Palm - yéna
---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]
----Hip - rωbe - rúaibh
----Knee - nébos - néobhas
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]
-----Sole - sumba
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-
----Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)
----Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)
---Toe - derdon
---Thumb - duntice
---Finger - dún - tún
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female - quenwe
----vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)
----womb - urwa - urbha
---male - donya
----penis - litto - líott [Lit]
----testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh
-Orifices
--anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis
pus - peugema

Thanks for mentioning them.
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English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand.
Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

ohh... sorry -
Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial")
but i was too lazy later
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Radioguy wrote:
I should have my post here by the end of the week.

@Radioguy, did you ever post here?

Waldkater wrote:
Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial") but i was too lazy later

Thanks. Do you have any more you'd like to show us now?
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Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!

Head - dú
Nose - amar
Eye - škíol
Mouth - armu
Ear - níu
Chin - va
Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd
Throat / Neck - damá

Shoulder - issun
Chest / Stomach - núa
Sides - gatod
Back - rammrót
Hip / Waist - fúv

Arm / Leg - skaro
Back of arm / Back of leg - orga
Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét
Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull
Finger / Toe - ram
Knee / Elbow - aitait

Flaccid penis - pelúa
Erect penis - lakkuš
Scrotum / Testes - ssap
'Gooch' - emrát
Vagina - tlaš a feu
Anus - tlaš
Buttock - mappíok
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cromulant wrote:
My word for arm is khaib. I'll get back to you on all the others.

@Cromulant; Did you get back to us on the others yet? Or, how much of it is available elsewhere? and, if any, where?
Thanks.

doctrellor wrote:
I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail, like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on, so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem. I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

@Doc; Did you post a list for Drem? Or is one available somewhere else? Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote:
(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.
These are the ones I have words for:
Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:
---SNIP Muphridian---

@Goza Lesha; Thanks for the Muphridian. Thanks also for as much of the Zevino'shoma as you've posted. Do you have anything on-line telling about their anatomy? Or other interesting things about them?
In re the Zevino'shoma bodyparts, you said "I'll come back for the rest later". Have you some more bodypart terms for them available somewhere?
Thanks.

Radagast wrote:
Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.
...
Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes
...
(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

@Radagast; thanks. (Radagast the Brown, right?)
Do you have more Mèlw terms online somewhere? Or that you'd like to post here?

Delalyra wrote:
Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

@Delalyra; What else can you tell us about Vernaclerian bodypart terms etc.?

Eddy wrote:
Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

@Eddy; Do you have anything else you think we'd like to see yet?

sintau.tayua wrote:
The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

@sintau.tayua; What else do you know about Psinu that probably belongs on this thread?
Thanks.

Old Man Neek wrote:
TomHChappell wrote:

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.
The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.
The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:
* A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
* An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
* Direction.
This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.
The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.
When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.
Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.
I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

@You, Neek ('cause there is only one of you); Oh, yes, it surely does help; thanks. Have you been able to expand the vocabulary yet to any other names of organs that you'd like us to see? If so, where can we look for them?

-Klaivas- wrote:
Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!
Head - dú
Nose - amar
Eye - škíol
Mouth - armu
Ear - níu
Chin - va
Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd
Throat / Neck - damá
Shoulder - issun
Chest / Stomach - núa
Sides - gatod
Back - rammrót
Hip / Waist - fúv
Arm / Leg - skaro
Back of arm / Back of leg - orga
Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét
Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull
Finger / Toe - ram
Knee / Elbow - aitait
Flaccid penis - pelúa
Erect penis - lakkuš
Scrotum / Testes - ssap
'Gooch' - emrát
Vagina - tlaš a feu
Anus - tlaš
Buttock - mappíok

Thanks, -Klaivas-.
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".
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The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif
Hand kamr
Eye axr
Tongue lis
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TomHChappell wrote:
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
Haha, but of course they (I) do What else would I call it? Area-between-anus-and-front-genetalia ( etde-om-tlašos-om-[pelúas/lakkušos/tlaš-a-feus] ) ?
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TomHChappell wrote:
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".

When I was growing up, the male version was a "choad." (Hrm, can't blame that on regional differences either, can I?) But since then I've been introduced to the word "taint" ('t ain't one end and 't ain't the other) which appears to be gender-neutral.
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nebula wind phone wrote:
the male version was a "choad."
I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a penis which is wider than it is long".

Also, use thy "t"s consistently! 'T ain't one end and 't ain't t' other
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-Klaivas- wrote:
What else would I call it?

Perineum. Having kids introduces you to vocabulary you never knew existed.
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Amsel wrote:
The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif
Hand kamr
Eye axr
Tongue lis

You're doing well in other semantic fields; and in this one you're at least four ahead of me.
Thanks.
We'll be looking forward to seeing/hearing your expanded list.
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-Klaivas- wrote:
nebula wind phone wrote:
the male version was a "choad."
I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a which is wider than it is long".

Well, I wasn't "brought up" with the term, but I'd seen "choad" used to mean "jism" (or "semen" or "seed" or "ejaculate"(the noun)).
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Has anyone got anything new?
Has anyone who hasn't posted yet got anything responsive to the first 10 or 15 posts?
Has anyone who has already posted got anything new they haven't posted yet that fits in with the first 10 or so posts?
Does anyone want to change anything?
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What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?
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No offense, but I think nearly everyone will vote to let it die. It's not that it's not a great thread, it's just that hey, if we do it for this thread, why not 99 others? And then the museum would just be hard to browse though. I saved the thread to my hard drive though.
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So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?
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So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

booger slide?
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TomHChappell wrote:
What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?

I was happy to move the kinterms thread to the Museum because it contains some very useful information on the way different languages divide up the "kinship space" differently and how this correlates to cultural factors. I can't see any corresponding justification for indexing this thread; it's a nice collection, but it is just a collection of vocabulary from our conlangs.
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Wycoval wrote:
So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

A Uvula. Remember Google is your friend!

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Sorry, no.
The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

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Philtrum.
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Philtrum.

Obviously, we need to find a better English word for it. None of this Latiny-Greeky nonsense.
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Cénárol

nava- foot (pl. navam)*
paldo- hand (pl. paldom)*
qar'ta- finger
hir'da- head
ristai- arm (pl. ristím)**
nif- leg (pl. nífu)*

*NOTE: These terms are pluralized in the dual form only, unless when referenced in a group of people

**NOTE: Cénárol sound rule- ai>í
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Rav Shimon wrote:
Sorry, no.
The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

Oh then I have no idea what he's talking about nor what it looks like.

EDIT: Now that I've seen the pic I know what it is and what it looks like. Now I have a question:

What purpose does it serve?

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Serali wrote:
What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.
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Here are the words for body parts I have for Terpish so far:

Bol — belly
Jok — eye
Klit — clitoris
Kof — head
Kor — heart
Liöshan — brain
Mumbe — butt
Piej — foot

Naturally, the Terps understand biology well enough to understand the appropriate place for the seat of emotion and consciousness (the brain).
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boy #12 wrote:
Serali wrote:
What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

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Serali wrote:
WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

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Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible
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What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

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--Fat blampilpim

lol

Sorry, I didn't intend to be mean, that word just sounds funny. Blampilpim.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Qwynegold wrote:
What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.
-Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle."
-The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye.
-The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg.
-"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc.
-The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."
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Ok, here's a tricky question*: where's the canthus?

*extra points if you don't use wikipedia.
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Rav Shimon wrote:
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WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

Thanks! Never knew that!

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Eddy wrote:
Klit — clitoris

Now why would they have borrowed this word?

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Now why would they have borrowed this word?

Same reason why English did? Actually, I was lazy and didn't feel like coining a new word at the time (happens a lot with Terpish).
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boy #12 wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:
What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.
-Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle."
-The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye.
-The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg.
-"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc.
-The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."

Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?
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Qwynegold wrote:
Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.
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In Zali ["Zali]

Body tem [tEm]
-Blood vessel
--Artery
--Vein
-Material of which it is composed pu [pu] (just means "stuff", "material")
--Bone zaik [Zajk]
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
--Skin
--Muscle mad [mad]
--Fat
--Blood eik [Ejk]
-Trunk (torso) jul [dZUl]
--Chest bus [bUS]
---Heart
---Lung
--Abdomen or Belly taun [tawn]
---Stomach
---Liver
---Spleen
---Intestines
--Waist edil ["EdIl]
-Neck stiv [StIv]
-Extremity
--Head pok [pOk]
---Hair iki ["iki] (= hair on head), tal [tal] (= hair on body, fur, general word for hair)
---Ear cok [tSOk]
----Earhole cokdvad ["tSOkdvad]
----Earlobe?
---Eye og [Og]
----Eyeball ogwel ["OgwEl]
-----Iris
-----Pupil ognol ["OgnOl] (= "eyeblack")
-----Sclera ogaigu ["Ogajgu] (= "eyewhite")
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash ogtal ["Ogtal] (= "eyehair")
----Eye socket ogdvad ["Ogdvad] (= "eyehole")
----Tear gland
---Nose penk [pENk]
----Nostril penkdvad ["pENkdvad]
---Mouth sab [Sab] (= externally visible part of the mouth, ie. the lips), cik [tSIk] (= oral cavity)
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth (!I think I had a word for this, but lost it when I lost my dictionary)
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue lamil ["lamIl]
--Limb
---Arm cad [tSad]
----Shoulder zut [ZUt]
----Elbow cadwelik ["tSadwElIk] (= "armjoint")
----Wrist logwelik ["lOgwElIk] (= "handjoint")
----Humerus (upper arm) yalcad ["jaltSad] (= "toparm")
----Lower Arm loncad ["lOntSad] (= "bottomarm")
----Hand log [lOg]
-----Palm
---Leg duk [dUk]
----Hip pois [pOjS]
----Knee dukwelik ["dUkwElIk] (= "legjoint")
----Ankle dezwelik ["dEZwElIk] (= "footjoint")
----Thigh (upper leg) yalduk ["jaldUk]
----Shin hilag ["hilag] (= shin, bony part at front), oboz ["ObOZ] (= calf, muscular part at back), lenduk ["lEndUk] (= "bottomleg")
----Foot dez [dEZ]
-----Sole dezlen ["dEZlEn] (= "footbottom")
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) ix [Its]
---Nail vask [vaSk]
----Fingernail log(ix)vask ["lOg(Its)vaSk] (= "hand(digit)nail")
----Toenail dez(ix)vask ["dEZ(Its)vaSk] (= "foot(digit)nail")
---Toe dezix ["dEZIts] (= "footdigit")
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) darix ["dazIts] (= "bigdigit"), dadezix ["dadEZIts] (= "bigfootdigit")
----Pinky toe or little toe posxirix ["pOStsizIts] (= "mostlittledigit")
----Other individual toes? xidezix ["tsidEZIts] (= "littlefootdigit")
---Thumb zadix ["ZadIts] (= "importantdigit")
----Thumbnail zadixvask ["ZadItsvaSk] (= "importantdigitnail")
---Finger logix ["lOgIts]
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---Female en [En]
----vagina munu ["munu]
----womb
---male az [aZ]
----penis wung [wUN]
----testicle
-Side vel
--Back (!don't remember offhand)
--Front (!don't remember offhand)
--Left
--Right
--Bottom (lower) len- ["lEn-]
--Top (upper) yal- ["jal-]
-Orifices
--anus dumfdvad ["dUmfdvad] (= "arsehole")
--urethral meatus?

Other
breast, boob bumba ["bUmba]
arse, buttocks, bum dumf ["dUmf]
skull pokzaik ["pOkZajk] (= "headbone")

As for the other questions - they are much like us, technologically and scientifically advanced, so they know the true function of each organ, but much like us, although they know the true situation, there still remain certain cultural attachments to organs. The heart and guts are the home of the emotions - the heart beats faster with just about any intense emotion, and when it gets even more intense, the stomach aches. Consciousness was associated with the eyes, although it then became associated with the brain because people who had lost their eyes still reported being conscious - the brain was the obvious choice, being behind the eyes, and able to see through them.
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boy #12 wrote:
I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

In my family, it was always called the "dribble drain", which kind of doesn't make sense, because ... um, gravity goes down, so ... I don't know.

Some guy in a pub told me one night that that was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ...
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boy #12 wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:
Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.

OK, now I understand. Thx!
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Atalant wrote:
Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible

There are several conspecies around who cannot pronounce labials, and they don't seem to mind. Ollock's Xala, for a start.
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boy #12 wrote:
Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.

The oxygenation state is the other way round in the vessels going between the heart and the lungs. I dunno how it works before being born.

Oh, add "placenta" to the list if you want.
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Thanks, mavonduri, eddy, soap, imralu

Imralu wrote:
Some guy in a pub told me one night that that [the philtrum] was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ...
I heard that Plato or the Platonists said it was the "cavern angel" telling each newly-reborn soul not to tell any memories of its former lives.

So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list?
uvula
philtrum
artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart)
vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart)
portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart)
brain
back of the neck
front of the neck
back of the head
forehead
wisdom tooth
canthus
clitoris
breast
buttock
butt
skull
placenta
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Atalant wrote:
Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible
No philtrums on some Fetal Alcohol Syndrome people, but Ive never heard them have a problem with labial consonants.

I'll put up the Izda Mir body parts soon. (They'll be pretty similar to Pabappa's.)
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Here are the words in Lhueslue:

Body lu /lu:/ (human), rhu /ɻu:/ (animal)
-Blood vessel ueshie-echul /yʃə:etʃu:l/ (human), ueshie-echurh /yʃə:etʃuɻ/ (animal)
--Artery ueshie-echulxhe /yʃə:etʃulxe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhxhe /yʃə:etʃuɻxe:/ (animal)
--Vein ueshie-echulqe /yʃə:etʃulqe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhqe /yʃə:etʃuɻqe:/ (animal)
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pujchul /puʒtʃu:l/ (human), pujchurh /puʒtʃu: ɻ/ (animal)
--Gristle or cartilage pubchul /pubtʃu:l/ (human), pubchurh /pubtʃu: ɻ/ (animal)
--Skin xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonynous with front side of body), xhuchurh /xutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Muscle euchul /eutʃu:l/ (human), euchurh /eutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Fat bee-chulu /bɛ:tʃulu:/ (human), bee-churhu /bɛ:tʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Blood ueshie /yʃə:/
-Trunk (torso) yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Chest yuyuchulu /jujutʃulu:/ (human), yuxhuchurhu /juxutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
---Heart ije /iʒe:/
---Lung hichul /hitʃu:l/ (human), hichurh /hitʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Abdomen or Belly zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as stomach), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as stomach)
---Stomach zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as abdomen and belly), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as abdomen and belly)
---Liver ueshie-juch /yʃə:ʒutʃ/
---Spleen tyueshie-juch /tjyʃə:ʒutʃ/
---Intestines lhunyejuch /ðˡunjeʒutʃ/
--Waist ungtudlu /uŋtudlu:/ (human), ungtudrhu /uŋtudɻu:/ (animal)
-Neck huzchul /huztʃu:l/ (human), huzchurh /huztʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-Extremity chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as limb and bodypart), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as limb and bodypart)
--Head chyuel /tʃjy:l/ (human), chyuerh /tʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)
---Hair bochyul /botʃju:l/ (human), borh /bo:ɻ/ (animal, actually fur)
---Ear su /su:/
----Earhole sujung-ie /suʒuŋə:/
----Earlobe zungsu /zuŋsu:
---Eye wu /wu:/
----Eyeball wubuzuytud /wubuzujtu:d/
-----Iris wu-wuech /wu:wytʃ/
-----Pupil wu-miewuech /wu:məwytʃ/
-----Sclera wu-fwueh /wu:fwyh/
----Eyebrow boywu /bojwu:/
----Eyelid wuyeung /wujeuŋ/
-----Eyelash bowu /bowu:/
----Eye socket wujung-iechyuel /wuʒuŋətʃjy:l/ (human), wujung-iechyuerh /wuʒuŋətʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)
----Tear gland -
---Nose nyu /nju:/
----Nostril nyujung-ie /njuʒuŋə:/
---Mouth znu /znu:/
----Jaw zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) yuzuchyul /juzutʃju:l/ (human), yuzuchyurh /juzutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Mandible (lower jaw) zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human, same as jaw), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal, same as jaw)
----Tooth poznu /poznu:/
-----Incisor poznuxhu /poznuxu:/
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth poznupú /poznupǔ:/
-----Molar poznutud /poznutu:d/ (both molar and premolar), qupoznutud /qupoznutu:d/ (molar only)
-----Premolar xhupoznutud /xupoznutu:d/
----Tongue nub /nub/
--Limb/bodypart chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as extremity), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as extremity)
---Arm zyux /zjuχ/
----Shoulder xa /χa:/
----Elbow jungzyux /ʒuŋzjuχ/
----Wrist xua /χua/
----Humerus (upper arm) yux /juχ/
----Lower Arm zux /zuχ/
----Hand xu /χu:/
-----Palm xuz /χuz/
---Leg zechul /zetʃu:l/ (human), zechurh /zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Hip azuchulu /azutʃulu:/ (human), azuchurhu /azutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
----Knee jungzechul /ʒuŋzetʃu:l/ (human), jungzechurh /ʒuŋzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Ankle chae-pyuzechul /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-pyuzechurh /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Thigh (upper leg) yuzechul /juzetʃu:l/ (human), yuzechurh /juzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Shin -
----Foot chae-zechul /tʃæ:zetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zechurh /tʃæ:zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Sole chae-zuzechul /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zuzechurh /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Heel chae-quzechul /tʃæ:quzetʃu:l (human), chae-quzechurh /tʃæ:quzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Ball -
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) chochulu /tʃotʃulu:/ (human), chochurhu /tʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal)
---Nail puchochulu /putʃotʃulu:/ (human); puchochurhu /putʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal, also means claw)
----Fingernail puchoxu /putʃoχu:/
----Toenail puchozechul /putʃozetʃu:l/ (human)
---Toe chozechul /tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), chozechurh /tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) ochozechul /otʃozetʃu:l/ (human), ochozechurh /otʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Pinky toe or little toe oe-chozechul /ø:tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), oe-chozechurh /ø:tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Second toe chozechulowu /tʃozetʃulowu:/ (human), chozechurhowu /tʃozetʃuɻowu:/ (animal)
----Third toe chozechuloqaxh /tʃozetʃuloqa:χ/ (human), chozechurhoqaxh /tʃozetʃuɻoqa:χ/ (animal)
----Fourth toe chozechulo-rhuength /tʃozetʃulo:ɻyŋθ/ (human), chozechurho-rhuength /tʃozetʃuɻo:ɻyŋθ/ (animal)
---Thumb choxutud /tʃoχutu:d/ (human), choxu-oeue /tʃoχu:øy/ (animal)
----Thumbnail puchoxutud /putʃoχutu:d/
---Finger choxu /tʃoχu:/
----Index finger choxuowu /tʃoχuowu:/
----Pinky finger oe-choxu /ø:tʃoχu:/
----Middle finger choxuoqaxh /tʃoχuoqa:x/
----Ring finger choxuo-rhuength /tʃoχuoɻyŋθ/
--genitalia vichul /vitʃu:l/ (human), vichurh /vitʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
---female ci /ɕi:/
----vagina ciljung-ie /ɕilʒuŋə:/ (human), cirhjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋə:/ (animal)
----womb iájung-ie /iǎ:ʒuŋə:/
---male ri /ri:/
----penis vichri /vitʃri:/
----testicle buzuytudri /buzujtudri:/
-Side tud /tu:d/
--Back quchul /qutʃu:l/ (human), yuchurh /jutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Front xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonymous with skin), zuchurh /zutʃu:ɻ/ (animal, actually underside)
--Left tu /tu:/
--Right du /du:/
--Lower zuchulu (human) /zutʃulu:/, quchurhu /qutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Upper yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human, same as torso), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as torso)
-Orifices chulujung-ie /tʃuluʒuŋə:/ (human), churhujung-ie /tʃuɻuʒuŋə:/ (animal)
--anus jung-ieqae /ʒuŋəqæ:/
--urethral meatus vichrijung-ie /vitʃriʒuŋə:/ (male), ciljungjung-ie /ɕilʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (human, female) cirhjungjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (animal, female)

Heh! This is probably the only language that has three words for urethral meatus.

But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?
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Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a fully developed conlang with nearly as much /u/ as that. Is it because you just like /u/ or did you do it to set this language apart from others in your conworld?
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Heh! I didn't intend it to become so common from the beginning. In Lhueslue every phoneme bears a meaning and /u/ means material. As it happened, almost every noun gets an /u/.
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Thanks, Qwynegold.
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Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here. Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe. But the way it is now; nah.
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TomHChappell wrote:
Thanks, Qwynegold.
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If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum?

Your welcome. Oh, and I had some questions too:
Qwynegold wrote:
But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?

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Qwynegold wrote:
But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understand the picture.
Tears are the watery, salty secretion that keeps the eyes moist. The bulk of the refracting of light during focussing is done by a thin veil of tears; the lens just fine-tunes it. Tears also contain protein (and FAIK other biological ingredients); that is why it is necessary to clean contact lenses once a day.
When the eye is irritated the production and flow of tears is increased, to the point that they leak out of the eye; the usual result is to wash out whatever is irritating the eye. When someone weeps, they often over-produce tears this same way.
Tear-glands (aka lacrimal glands) are in the upper outer corners of the eyes. In the lower inner corners of the eyes are ducts that ordinarily take tears down into the nose; if the tear-glands aren't overproducing, this is where tears usually are disposed of.

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And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?
Just think either "bottom of body" and "top of body", or "lower half of body" and "upper half of body". If you want two pairs of terms, go ahead and provide both. Otherwise take your pick.

aardwolf wrote:
Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here.

If more people responded to the following questions, would it?

I wrote:
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

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Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe.
Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?
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OK, I added upper and lower body to my post. I guess my conlang won't have a word for tear gland since it's something you can't see so the conpeople wouldn't know about it.
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TomHChappell wrote:
aardwolf wrote:
Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe.
Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?

I think you'd need things like discussion of (systematic) cultural associations (e.g. your original questions about the seat of emotion, etc.), strong cross-linguistic tendencies (always distinguishing certain body parts or not, words for the genitals being taboo/impolite), and derivation (e.g. how my conlang Old Gzho uses the same word for "arm" and "hand", but can also refer to the arm as the "hand-neck"). Also usage of body part terms for other things, i.e. verbal affixes, locative/directional expressions, etc. And investigating how changes to body structure would affect language, e.g. having no lips wouldn't just mean a lack of labial consonants - you also wouldn't be able to produce rounded vowels, which could have a big affect on the vowel inventory.
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I'm glad this thread is still around--I was thinking I might have to rederive all the Sdannískr body words, which would be irritating (and time-consuming, for that matter). I think this thread has just increased my new lexicon by half, or just about.
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I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.
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guitarplayer wrote:
I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.

Which items did you add? I'm pretty sure I included, or added, some of those; tear gland, upper and lower jaw, thigh, shin, two of the toes and "other individual toes?", and each of the fingers. I'm not sure what a shank is. I didn't include the calf, I don't think; I guess I should. I included the hips; I didn't distinguish the buttocks from the hips. I didn't get into internal organs that a layman couldn't tell were there and doing things without opening up the body; so that's why I left out the ovaries and the prostate, though I include the womb and the testes.

My last update on that was July 15 on Page 4.
TomHChappell wrote:
So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list?
uvula
philtrum
artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart)
vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart)
portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart)
brain
back of the neck
front of the neck
back of the head
forehead
wisdom tooth
canthus
clitoris
breast
buttock
butt
skull
placenta

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I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually
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My small dictionary has some basic body parts but nothing specific like artery.

ANKLE = TĀMA
ARM = RŌTA
BLOOD = PĀTA
CHEST = ShŌMĀ
ELBOW = JeĪTŌ

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guitarplayer wrote:
I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually :P
I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.
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TomHChappell wrote:
I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.

Ah, I see.

[edit] My list, so far [/edit]
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guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.
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TomHChappell wrote:
guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.

I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page.

*is puzzled*
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Rodlox wrote:
TomHChappell wrote:
guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.
I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page. *is puzzled*
If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to.
That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?
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TomHChappell wrote:
If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to.
That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?

I guess that my host doesn't allow direct linking to files other than HTML, just like Geocities. So much for free hosting.
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TomHChappell wrote:

That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?

not yet - *goes to try it*

thanks.
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I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:

For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use. Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.

People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. (I am thinking of Ilaksh in particular. How about it JQP? )
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What a smart idea!
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simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

simon.clarkstone wrote:
For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use.
For humans I don't believe more than 16 compass points in a plane are natural.
For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

simon.clarkstone wrote:
Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.
Are your Kigdatsi human?

simon.clarkstone wrote:
People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ...
Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker.
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Hel·lerà / Helleran

Body tol, estou

Blood guès
Blood vessel cabinyol guesetz “blood vessel”
Artery maxarva
Vein ôued

Bone tot
Cartilage martel•let
Skeleton gargamol, gaugamol

Skin fiu
Muscle rambe
Fat (corporal) lhud
Tendon tirant

Head pot, tuc, tuys, syet, arsyet (m), tuche, tutze (f)
Hair togès
Hair (a fiber) bli
Skull golag (m/f)
cranium raz
Neck lleg, nyoc

Ear onze, osye, oge
Earhole bosit na s’onze “hole of the ear”
Earlobe lhob na s’onze “lobe of the ear”

Eye oc, oig, uoc
Iris gavi
Pupil chelandé
Sclera bel na s’oc “white of the eye”; cýncolis (neolog)
Eyebrow tirse
Eyelid pedillou
Eyelash goume
Eye socket bou na s’oc “socket of the eye”
Tear gland dragole

Nose per
Nostril bosit nas per “hole of the nose”

Mouth tamà
Cheek guys
Jaw radagame (sg) or radagames (pl)
Maxilla (upper jaw) berosti
Mandible (lower jaw) carmazzi
Tooth gam
Incisor cartalh, gartalh “central incisor”; cartalet, gortalet “lateral incisor”
Eyetooth or Canine tooth anhac
Molar cheral “molar, second molar”; cheraló “first molar”
Tongue lheme. But "language, idiom" is lhambe
Lip jami

Trunk bros
Chest tor
Abdomen mablada
Belly beli
Lower abdomen naig beli “lower belly”; sabel

Heart lhò
Lung beloi
Stomach mansaghe
Liver sagé
Spleen vèdem
Intestines ganyalons (pl.)

Extremity, limb estighiu; espadelhe

Waist caradanç
Pelvis cadanche or tot nas caradanç “bone of the waist”
Buttock dabons (pl.) / dabó, bono and guys nas sat “cheek of the butt”
Bum, arse, butt sat
Hip bemuc
Leg (from hip to ankle) gambe
Thigh (upper leg, from hip to knee) gamays
Knee golde
Kneecap, patella gavanhol
Shank (lower leg, from knee to ankle) garme
Shin astanye
Calf tonsim na s’astanye “doughy part of the shin”
Ankle poghet
Foot pedh, madà
Heel garou
Sole mad

Shoulder espambelh (traditional), espemble (neolog)
Arm (from shoulder to wrist) ram
Arm (from shoulder to elbow) ramec
Elbow ajoc
Arm (from elbow to wrist) ramell
Wrist arbou
Hand badh
Palm pançou

Digit gartembi, cartempe (neolog)
Finger, toe ghez (traditional)
Toe (foot digit) ghez nas pedh “finger of the foot”
Finger (hand digit) ghez nas badh “finger of the hand”
Ball tonsim nas ghez “doughy part of the finger”
Thumb tigarembi, tigampó, garampó
Index finger ghez casarteu “managing/governative/guiding finger”
Middle finger ghez perís “middle finger”
Ring finger ghez nigançant “dependent finger”
Little finger ghez polzuc “small finger”

Genitalia zinyaroncs
Vagina begane
Womb gameu
Penis gozzi (traditional); felghe (neolog)
Testicle galló
Anus guada
Urethral meatus dragavàrie

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Does Helleran use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).

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Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of life?

Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of emotion?

The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of consciousness?

The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body.
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TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

North
North-one-quarter-east
North-by-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-north
North-north-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-east
North-east-by-north
North-east-one-quarter-north
North-east
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North
North-one-quarter-east
North-by-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-north
North-north-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-east
North-east-by-north
North-east-one-quarter-north
North-east
&c

Hmm. I thought halfway between North and North-by-East was "North-a-half-East" rather than "North-a-quarter-East". And so on. You are making the (N,S,E,W,NE,NW,SE,SW)-by-(N,S,E,W) be half-points instead of points.
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North, north-north-east, north-east &c are the sixteen primary points of a compass. Halfway between north and north-north-east is north-by-east (that is, the next half-point east of north), and half of that (half of half being a quarter) is north-one-qaurter-east (said point being one quarter of the way from north to the next point in an easterly direction).
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TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points.
I could have been wrong about that, but the details don't matter here.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use.
For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

The system would necessarily be as irregular and wonky as the body is. Fortunately, their limbs all have the same basic structure, so analogising could reduce the set of needed roots. (It is not the same as the pentadactyl limb system.)

TBH I am not sure how I will actually do this, or how similar to the compass system it would actually be, though cylindrical co-ordinates look promising. I mean that (e.g.) there would be no root for "elbow", but something derived from "wrist" and "shoulder". And "knee" and one of the wing-joints would be the same word, with just one part changed because they are on different limbs. Or you could refer to (e.g.) "the bottom half of the upper-right quadrant of your back" in a simple way.

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simon.clarkstone wrote:
Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.
Are your Kigdatsi human?
No. They are not even evolved, but designed. This makes them odd in many ways, though mostly good ones. It also means I will need terms for secondary brains, telekinesis organs, etc.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ...
Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker.
Nice. Not available for inter-conworld cooperation over at conworlds.info are you?
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I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
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Izo wrote:
Hel·lerà / Helleran
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Very interesting, Izo! Thanks.
Izo wrote:
....Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).
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Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.
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Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.
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The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.
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The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body.
I found these especially interesting.

Zoris wrote:
I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?
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TomHChappell wrote:
Izo wrote:
Hel·lerà / Helleran
---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks.
Izo wrote:
[...]
I found these especially interesting.

Thanks to you!

TomHChappell wrote:
Zoris wrote:
I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?

Why not? I included it in the expansion of the Helleran Lexicon of Human Anatomy, which I will post in this thread as soon as I complete it (what I included on my last post was based on your list): it will include more organs, bodyparts and substances, including the names for all human bones and muscles, and a deep view of every major organ system.

The list, as I will show it, represents the medical knowledge of human anatomy as it was in the time where my novels take place.
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imbecilica
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:

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UROBASICAN

Body Corpo
-Blood vessel Vessilo de Sango
--Artery Arterio
--Vein Veîno
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Oso
--Cartilage Cartilagio
--Skin Pelo
--Muscle Musclo
--Fat Lipido
--Blood Sango
-Trunk (torso) Trongo/Torso
--Chest Caffro
---Heart Coro
---Lung Pomeno
--Abdomen or Belly Abdomeno
---Stomach Estomaco
---Liver Fusjo
---Spleen Kescauro
---Intestines Intesnós
--Waist Dasrão
-Neck Collo
-Extremity
--Head Testo
---Hair Cavero
---Ear Orelo
----Earhole Casemo d'Orelo
----Earlobe? Lûbe
---Eye Optro
----Eyeball Globo d'Optro
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupiro
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Sobbrio
----Eyelid Pardigo
-----Eyelash Cyliu
----Eye socket Domecco d'Optro
----Tear gland Glando dè Plurós
---Nose Neso
----Nostril Nestrilo
---Mouth Boco
----Jaw Macco
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandiblo
----Tooth Dento
-----Incisor Incisèro
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Primca dento
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molaro
----Tongue Languo
--Limb Omembrio
---Arm Ièbro
----Shoulder Costrio
----Elbow Vikastrio
----Wrist Pristão
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus
----Lower Arm L'ièbro surina
----Hand Maño
-----Palm Paumo
---Leg J'azabo
----Hip Fahjo
-----buttock Destro
----Knee Noremo
----Ankle Cavliniro
----Thigh (upper leg) Ecaustro
----Shank Shánk
-----Shin Shimno
-----Calf Vecravo
----Foot Pedio
-----Sole Sôle
-----Heel Talono
-----Ball Balo
--Digit Dijéto
---Nail Otrís
----Fingernail Otrís de Dijéto
----Toenail Otrís de Puçavo
---Toe Puçavo
----Pollex Pollexo
----Pinky toe or little toe Granda Puçavo
----Other individual toes? None
---Thumb Puço
----Thumbnail Otrís de Puço
---Finger Dijéto
----Index finger Dijéto Indexo
----Pinky finger Dijéto Pestanda
----Middle finger Dijéto Midiena
----Ring finger Dijéto d'Annilo
---female femaraia
----vagina vajno
----womb utero
---male maraia
----penis peneso/penetraso/pestaso
----testicle testicuro
-Side Visjeiro
--Back Destra
--Front Avastra
--Left Gosca
--Right Diréjito
--Bottom (lower) Subina
--Top (upper) Surina
-Orifices Orifiçós
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Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):

My apologies, this was a neat table

In, inside of - Tendet (heart) /ˈtɛndət/
Out, outside of - Twizo (shell, skull) /ˈtwizoʊ/
Around (static) - Natan (skin, bark) /natɔn/
Through (static) - Ped (stick, rod) /pɛd/
On top of, Over (static) - Miye (hair) /ˈmijə/
Above, Over (static) - Aol (cloud) /ɔβ̞͡ɫ/
Underneath - Bundu (underside) /ˈbɵndʊw/
Below - Neeza (grass) /ˈniza/
Beside, Next to - Stabed (arm) /ˈstabəd/
In front of - Danćod (chest) /ˈdɔntɕɔd/
Behind - Kee (back) /k͜xi/
At (in a place; at a moment) - Se /sə/
Over (dynamic) - Meyl (wing) /ˈmɛil/
Under, Before - Asper (water) /ˈaspər/
Through (dynamic), During, While being in - Ense (spear) /ˈɛnsə/
Past, After - Huś (wind) /hʊɕ/
From elsewhere towards here - Sitei (source of river) /ˈsiti/
Towards a specific location Ula (gaze) /ˈʊla/
Away from here - Pridas (buttocks) /ˈpridas/
Alongside - Dedomheyet (lover, lit hand-holder) /dədɔˈmejət/ < relatively recent addition to the pronoun list, con-historically
Off - Away, from touching - Donin (fall) /ˈdɔnɘn/
Into (place, area, state) - Raowemelek (field of view) /rɔwəˈmeilək/ (always makes me think 'raw milk')
Out of (place, area, state) - Meśa (leaf bud) /ˈmeiɕa/
Around (dynamic) - Malman (orbit) /ˈmɔlmɔn/, dynamic form of /ˈmɔlma/, hug
Moving around the inside of area or place - Sefse (sniff around) /ˈsɛfsə/

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And no, this is not a confusing system. Talanese requires articles for nouns pretty much all the time (because nouns themselves don't inflect much), and of course prepositions don't have articles. It all came to me when I was reading a rather interesting text that had something to do with perception of time, progress and motion in Mediaeval paintings in the library. Actually, my whole TAM system is built upon inspiration drawn from that!
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As for the body parts list, well... I haven't filled out much, yet, because I've chosen to do it elaborately. I have more words for body parts than there are on this list, but I just haven't reached them yet while filling it out!

Thanks for providing it, though.
Here's what I have so far (.htm converted from .doc) http://www.by002.net/~neuteboo/bodyparts.htm

I'll get there... some time!

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This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise!
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Izo
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Soap wrote:
This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise!

Two weeks ago I saw it was close of being pruned and I thought of posting here to retain it, but finally I forgot to do it... . Luckily I'm not the only one that will post soon here!
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Might it be a good idea to move this list to someplace it won't expire from, like a wiki? Maybe KneeQuickie? Or frathwiki? Or Chris Bates's linguistics wiki? Or the Conlang Wikia?
Or even L&L Museum?
I can move it to KneeQuickie, I think. I probably need Neek's permission first. Same with the others; maybe I can do it, but I probably need the owners' permission.
But I can't move it to the Museum.

dinnae wrote:
Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):
Hey, that's neat! Thanks.
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Quote:
I probably need Neek's permission first.
The KQ is down right now and Neek's doing basic training so he probably wont be able to fix it anytime soon. Nevertheless, I think that in the long term that or some other wiki might be a good idea.

Edit: the KQ is back; it looks like he has monthly bandwidth caps, and he exceeded it in April, but it's back now that it's May.
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Here's some of the body parts that I have in Danšlağ. I haven't really gotten specific with them, although I have got the "main" ones.

body- ri
nose- nopu
ear- yakušu
mouth- slata
eye- aslo
tongue- zabu
teeth- clač
tonsils- kakraku
neck- uxač
hair- skoru
head- baru
shoulder- tuŵ
arm- cura
hand- ğeš
finger- baklaŵer
fingernail- baklaŵeruka
thumb- kuku
chest- orka
breast- ğuš
stomach- iču
lungs- abačeraku
leg- laŵe
ankle- etai
foot- teš
toe- kuklaŵer
toenail- kaklaŵeruka
genital- irosi
penis- bamu
vagina- omaru

That's pretty much all I have so far. I'm sure I'll add more after reading this, though.
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Mecislau
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject:

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Novegradian:

Body тѣло tiě́lo
-Blood vessel кревоносита жила krevonósita žíla (lit. "blood-carrying vessel")
--Artery артеря artiéria
--Vein вена véna
-Material of which it is composed матеряљ зе котраево состаулене materiáł ze kotrájevo sostáulene
--Bone кости kósti
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) хреце hréce
--Skin плоти plóti
--Muscle мишка míška
--Fat туке túke
--Blood крев krév
-Trunk (torso) торсе tórse
--Chest грандина дантина grándina dántina (lit. "breast cavity")
---Heart серце siérce
---Lung плуце plúce
--Abdomen or Belly желудок želudók (not distinguished from "stomach")
---Stomach желудок želudók
---Liver етро iétro
---Spleen слезени sleziéni
---Intestines есто iésto
--Waist таля tália
-Neck шия šíja
-Extremity концина kóncina
--Head глава gláva
---Hair власи vlási
---Ear оху óhu
----Earhole ---
----Earlobe? ---
---Eye око óko
----Eyeball оцное яблоко ócnoje iábloko (lit. "eye apple")
-----Iris оцное кољце ócnoje kołcé (lit. "eye ring")
-----Pupil оцней дѣде ócnej dědié (lit. "eye child")
-----Sclera бѣлое око bě́loje óko (lit. "white eye")
----Eyebrow брев brév
----Eyelid вѣко vě́ko
-----Eyelash ресница résnica or ресна résna
----Eye socket оцней доље ócnej dółe (lit. "eye pit")
----Tear gland слезная жлеза sléznaja žlezá
---Nose носе nóse
----Nostril носдера nosderá
---Mouth роте róte
----Jaw целусти célusti
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) верхеная целусти verhénaja célusti (lit. "upper jaw")
-----Mandible (lower jaw) нижная целусти nížnaja célusti (lit. "lower jaw")
----Tooth забе zábe
-----Incisor предней забе prédnej zábe (lit. "foretooth")
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth коле kóle
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) глауней забе gláunej zábe (lit. "headtooth")
----Tongue лизике lizíke
--Limb концина kóncina (not distinguished from "extremity")
---Arm рока róka (not distinguished from "hand")
----Shoulder плеѕо pledzó (not distinguished from "upper arm")
----Elbow лакоти lákoti
----Wrist подруцие podrucjé (lit. "beneath the hand")
----Humerus (upper arm) плеѕо pledzó (common usage, not distinguished from "shoulder") or надлакоцие nadlakocjé (lit. "above the elbow", in medical usage)
----Lower Arm предлакоцие predlakocjé (largely medical usage)
----Hand рока róka (not distinguished from "arm")
-----Palm длани dláni
---Leg нога nogá (not distinguished from "foot")
----Hip ланцо lancó
-----buttock (if different) заде záde (lit. "rear, behind")
----Knee колѣно kolě́no
----Ankle глезне glézne
----Thigh (upper leg) бедро bedró
----Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle) голени goléni (not distinguished from "shin")
-----Shin голени goléni (not distinguished from "shank")
-----Calf лиска líska
----Foot нога nogá (common usage, not distinguished from "leg") or пѣхе pě́he (largely medical usage)
-----Sole позпѣшие pozpěšjé (lit. "under the foot")
-----Heel пида pidá
-----Ball ---
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) порсте pórste
---Nail ноготи nógoti
----Fingernail ноготи рокѣ nógoti rókě (lit. "nail on the hand")
----Toenail ноготи ногѣ nógoti nogiě́ (lit. "nail on the foot")
---Toe порсте на ногѣ pórste nogiě́ (lit. "digit on the foot")
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) палоке ногѣ páloke nogiě́ (lit. "thumb on the foot")
----Pinky toe or little toe вейка ногѣ véjka nogiě́ (lit. "little digit on the foot")
----Other individual toes? -just find the equivalent finger name and add ногѣ; each finger name can refer to either the finger or the equivalent toe, though in common usage it is generally assumed that the hand is meant unless otherwise specified or context makes it clear
---Thumb палоке páloke
----Thumbnail ноготи палокѣ nógoti pálokě (lit. "nail on the thumb")
---Finger порсте pórste (like the individual fingers and toes, this term can refer to either a finger or toe in general, but by default is assumed to refer to the fingers)
----Index finger предовоке predovóke (lit. "the front one")
----Pinky finger вейка véjka (lit. "little twig")
----Middle finger срединоке sredinóke (lit. "the middle one")
----Ring finger безимѣнноке beziměnnóke (lit. "the unnamed one", a name you see in Russian and several Uralic languages)
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! плодовии plodóviji (lit. "[organs for] producing offspring")
---female женески плодовии žéneski plodóviji
----vagina туло túlo
----womb трево trévo
---male мужески плодовии múžeski plodóviji
----penis шлене šléne (lit. "member")
----testicle яйѕок iajdzók (lit. "little egg")
-Side страна straná
--Back заде záde (for the back part of the body) or спина spína (for the actual back/spine)
--Front преде préde
--Left лѣво lě́vo
--Right право právo
--Bottom (lower) низе níze
--Top (upper) верхе vérhe
-Orifices отуоре ótuore
--anus задней отуоре zádnej ótuore (lit. "rear orifice")
--urethral meatus? --

Misc:
--lap љону łónu
--kidney нерка niérka
--bladder пуғири puğíri (lit. "bubble")
--brain мозгѣ mozgiě́
--lip осту óstu
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What are the names of the days, months, weeks, ect in your conlang? Have you developed a special "ConCalendar"?

I will post my zzarnildarciz calendar, complete with the names of the months, days, festivals, ect ect soon, (But Im currently late for a rock show I'm playing at, so I'll post these later).

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What a great calendar! I like your website. I enjoyed reading about how they use 366 days in a year, and subtract.

Here is the Zzarnildarciz Calendar:

The Zzarnildarciz calendar is an observation based solar calendar that begins whenever the spring equinox occurs. It's very accurate, but difficult to predict when leap days occur.

The Zzarnildarciz year has 365 days, or 366 days on leap year. Leap years happen whenever the spring equinox occurs after noon. The 365 days are divided into 15 months of 24 days, and five extra festival days, including new years day. Each month contains eight weeks of 3 days each.

Names of the months:

RROIVcav-cal
MATTha-cav-cal
ZAELPna-cav-cal
TOORZcav-cal
ADvaid-na-cav-cal
TCCICvoitt-cav-cal
zaic-loMARflid-cav-ca
BONharm-cav-cal
ROCloi-cav-cal
MIPtzoo-cav-cal
fpailNORcav-cal
DDARLcav-cal
aeczNILcav-cal
TIRmadcc-cav-cal
VADnlairttd-cav-cal

Word for Week: orlzLAC (Means literally "A group of Days").

Days of the week:
TTAELbain
ANTi-clivc
ZINaih-glidd (People get off work on this day)
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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Calendar

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leonsherlock wrote:

What are the names of the days, months, weeks, etc in your conlang? Have you developed a special "ConCalendar"?

I haven't created the actual names yet, sorry.
My conculture's calendar is lunisolar.
They have a cycle consisting of 57 years = 705 months = 20819 days.
Most months (374 out of each 705) are 30 days long, but some months (331 out of each 705) are 29 days long.
Most years (twelve out of each nineteen) are twelve months long, but some years (seven out of each nineteen) are thirteen months long.
(19 years = 235 months.)
(Two of the 19-year, 235-month thirds of each 57-year, 705-month cycle are 6940 days long; the other one is 6939 days long. The two longer thirds will have 125 30-day months and 110 29-day months; the shorter third will have 124 30-day months and 111 29-day months.)
So a twelve-month year is usually 354 days long but may be 355 days long; and a thirteen-month year is usually 384 days long but may be 383 days long.
It's going to be complicated. I meant it to be. But I expect it to turn out a little less complicated than it looks from this description.
They may not have "weeks" at all; if not, of course they won't have names for days of the week.
But they'll probably have names for years.
I'm thinking maybe 19 names for year-of-the-cycle, 13 names for month-of-the-year, and 30 names for day-of-the-month.

leonsherlock wrote:

I will post my zzarnildarciz calendar, complete with the names of the months, days, festivals, etc etc soon,

I look forward to it.

leonsherlock wrote:

(But I'm currently late for a rock show I'm playing at, so I'll post these later).

How'd it go? What music did you play? What instrument(s) do you play, and/or what part do you sing?

leonsherlock wrote:

Tom Chappell (sp?) suggested this post be created.

And I'm very glad you did, thank you.
I look forward to other people's contributions too.

leonsherlock wrote:

Chappell (sp?)

(two 's and two <l>'s.)

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Ancenande
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject:

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In Arta, the only thing like here are the seconds. Every other thing is different.

(E) means Earth, (A) means Arta.

Code:

1 min (E) = 60 s
1 min (A) = 50 s

1 hour (E) = 60 min (E) = 3600 s
1 hour (A) = 50 min (A) = 2500 s

1 day (E) = 24 hour (E) = 1440 min (E) = 86400 s
1 day (A) = 20 hour (A) = 1000 min (A) = 50000 s

1 year (E) = 365 day (E) + 6 hour (E) = 8766 hour (E) = 525960 min (E) = 31557600 s
1 year (A) = 768 day (A) + 4 hour (A) = 15364 hour (A) = 768200 min (A) = 38410000 s

I'll post the months soon.
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Goza Lesha
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject:

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For Vinawasho, hours are the same length on both planets:
Code:
(E) 1 min = 60s
(V) 1 min = 30 s

(E) 1 hour = 60 min = 3600 s
(V) 1 hour = 30 min = 900 s

(E) 1 day = 24 hours = 1440 min = 86400 s
(V) 1 day = 30 hours = 900 min = 27000 s

(E) 1 week = 7 days = 168 hours = 10080 min = 604800 s
(V) 1 week = 8 days =240 hours = 7200 min = 216000 s

(E) 1 year = 52 weeks (+ 1 day) = 365 days (+ 6 hours) = 8766 hours = 525960 min = 31557600 s
(V) 1 year = 48 weeks = 384 days (+ 1 hour) = 11521 hours = 345630 min = 10368900 s

When a leap year comes around, the extra day is added to the end of the 1st month, forming a 9 day long week.

I don't have names for any of them yet.

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leonsherlock
Mey

Joined: 09 Oct 2006
Location: I exist independent of spacial boundaries
Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Calendar

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TomHChappell wrote:
leonsherlock wrote:
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(But I'm currently late for a rock show I'm playing at, so I'll post these later).

How'd it go? What music did you play? What instrument(s) do you play, and/or what part do you sing?

I play drumset. Ive been playing for 9 years. I consider myself pretty good. I specialize in jazz and rock, but enjoy playing all styles. I also play the electric kazoo, simultenously with the drums, by mounting it on a harmonica holder.

Are you a musician as well?
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Ancenande
Endi

Joined: 04 Feb 2006
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina (my toilet flushes the same way as krinnen's)
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject:

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Goza Lesha wrote:
For Vinawasho, hours are the same length on both planets:
Code:
(E) 1 min = 60s
(V) 1 min = 30 s

(E) 1 hour = 60 min = 3600 s
(V) 1 hour = 30 min = 900 s

(E) 1 day = 24 hours = 1440 min = 86400 s
(V) 1 day = 30 hours = 900 min = 27000 s

(E) 1 week = 7 days = 168 hours = 10080 min = 604800 s
(V) 1 week = 8 days =240 hours = 7200 min = 216000 s

(E) 1 year = 52 weeks (+ 1 day) = 365 days (+ 6 hours) = 8766 hours = 525960 min = 31557600 s
(V) 1 year = 48 weeks = 384 days (+ 1 hour) = 11521 hours = 345630 min = 10368900 s

When a leap year comes around, the extra day is added to the end of the 1st month, forming a 9 day long week.

I don't have names for any of them yet.

Hey, what an original way of showing times in your conworld
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guitarplayer
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Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Location: Brunswick, Germany
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject:

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The months of the Earth (Tera):

??? — But I'd be very thankful if somebody could give the etymologies of January, February, April, May and June from Latin. I know that January comes from the Roman god Ianus — he's the equivalent of Chronos, isn't he?

The days of the week of the Earth (Tera):

Monday — Bahis Kolunena (Moon/Luna)
Tuesday — Bahis Kayanena (War < Tiu/Mars)
Wednesday — Bahis Bihanrengena (Middle of the Week)
Thursday — Bahis Rugonena (Thunder < Donar/Þor/Iuppiter?)
Friday — Bahis Tyānena (Love < Frigga/Venus)
Saturday — Bahis Kadanoena (Harvest < Saturnus)
Sunday — Bahis Perinena (Sun)

The months of Areka:

I — Talbang
II — Nankyu
III — Sirpang
IV — Limbuy
V — Dalming
VI — Tuvoang
VII — Sanam
VIII — Kardaying
IX — Nonamay
X — Dirlem
XI — Tayamang
XII — Yangtim
XIII — Lahang
XIV — Ihaloy
XV — Sintung
XVI — Rayam
XVII — Tyemuyang
XVIII — Pihaling
XIX — Ravikan

All of these have 24 days, making up a year of 456 days.

The days of the week of Areka:

Bahis Pinena (Sun)
Bahis Venena (Wind)
Bahis Palayena (Joy)
Bahis Siruena (Stars)
Bahis Tingraena (Music)
Bahis Tenena (Life, Soul)
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doctrellor
Šalea

Joined: 19 Oct 2003
Location: Land of 10,000 lakes..:)
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Calendar

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leonsherlock wrote:
What are the names of the days, months, weeks, ect in your conlang? Have you developed a special "ConCalendar"?

I will post my zzarnildarciz calendar, complete with the names of the months, days, festivals, ect ect soon, (But Im currently late for a rock show I'm playing at, so I'll post these later).

Tom Chappel (sp?) suggested this post be created.

There is not much of a calender I can make when the orbit is a whopping 15 1/2 days..lol

the "time" category or keeping track of time deals with biological items, and so it's relative generally
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leonsherlock
Mey

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject:

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15.5 days... lol
Does this mean the planet is really close to it's star? Does that mean it's really hot?
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doctrellor
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject:

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leonsherlock wrote:
15.5 days... lol
Does this mean the planet is really close to it's star? Does that mean it's really hot?

the star is an MV5, pretty much like Proxima Centauri, so it's a very cool little red star...and so yeah, it really close in..lol
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Shigeru
Endi

Joined: 09 Jul 2006
Location: Garland, Texas
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:22 am Post subject:

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seeing as my conworld isn't a world, but the small illuminated section of the infinitely sized skin of the universe, it's really hard to think in terms of we're used to. the measure of time, a "minute" so to say, the time it takes the beam from the Lighthouse Palace to rotate one degree, ançawwè. so there are 360 ançawwè in a "day" ançà, and 1000 ançà in a "year" or "cycle" bactà

the Yionyooxscer and Esstam use a religious calendar and a business calendar that divide the bactà differently. i'll repost when i finish both. mostly it's like the mayan calendar, and has been used to predict events untill the end of time. the Aa'aan Church and the Theitspund use different calendars as well, but not as sophisticated.
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finlay
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Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: York
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:09 am Post subject:

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I've forgotten most of what goes on in my calendar. It was the most detailed conthing I ever did, though. It's all in a spreadsheet somewhere at home.

I will say what I can remember off the top of my head, though...

um.. there's 489 days of the year; 12 months (though I've been thinking about changing this to match my moons a bit better) with days in the pattern 41-41-41-40-41-41-41-40-41-41-41-40. There's two leap years every five years, on the 2nd and 5th year of each cycle, on a different one of the 40-length months, and there's a special leap year every 160 years (next one's in 2017, I think).

489 days there is equivalent to 471 (IIRC) days here, so their days are shorter by about 51 minutes (IIRC).

The days are broken up into four quarters, morning/afternoon/evening/night, each of which is 6 earth-hours long, and each is broken into 16 "hours" (equiv. 22.5 earth-minutes each), each into 18 "minutes" (equiv 1.5 earth-minutes each), and each of those into 30 "seconds" (equiv 2.5 earth-seconds each). It should be noted that while it's equivalent to 2.5 earth-seconds, you also have to factor in that the day is slightly shorter overall.

What else? Um... the week of 8 days is based on the cycle of the largest moon, which repeats every 8 days. You get the New Moon day off work, and most places give the day or two days beforehand as well.

Oh, and it was new year around a month ago, on 23rd September; it's just turned 1112 K.Z. (though I'm not sure what that stands for yet, I just like it...). So a belated happy new year to all!

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simon.clarkstone
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Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Location: England
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:09 am Post subject:

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Shigeru wrote:
seeing as my conworld isn't a world, but the small illuminated section of the infinitely sized skin of the universe, it's really hard to think in terms of we're used to. the measure of time, a "minute" so to say, the time it takes the beam from the Lighthouse Palace to rotate one degree, ançawwè. so there are 360 ançawwè in a "day" ançà, and 1000 ançà in a "year" or "cycle" bactà
This sounds like my kind of conworld! Do you have a website describing any of it?
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simon.clarkstone
Endi

Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Location: England
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Calendar

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leonsherlock wrote:
What are the names of the days, months, weeks, ect in your conlang? Have you developed a special "ConCalendar"?
The Kigdatsi use the simplest possible calendar: counting from a particular point. They count in units of the Planck time since some point I haven't decided, but which is in our late 19th century, and is the instant of their creation (by the humans in their sub-universe). 1 Planck time (the shortest physically meaningful period of time) is a rather inconvinient 5.39121E-44s, so they will often work in units of 60^24 Planck times, about 1/4 of a second to us.
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Tšur

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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject:

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The planet Ti Mahtinqmin, or better Hpimahttan IV, takes 24.98 Earth hours to complete 1 full revolution on its axis. To complete a full orbit around its host star, it takes approximately 466 days (465.98 if you want to fuss).

There are plenty of ways to count, though the most common (and thusly most pertinent) is the Qmuning reckoning (as they reckoned a lot).

First we must understand how the year is divided. The year is split into 4 parts coinciding with the 4 seasons. Each seasons takes approximately 116.5 days). The year is generally called a Qaqum, or a Span of 4 (seasons, or qate). Each season is named after one of the four stages of life, and starts with Fall:

I. Ahkninq, Birth (lit., Birth) :: Fall.
II. Hsamqoninq, Child (lit., Sees-not (the path)) :: Winter.
III. Tqasninq, Adult (lit., Walks (the path)) :: Spring.
IV. Qmunninq (lit., Ascends (the path)) :: Summer.

(The words listed here are generally classifiers used in modern context, in reality, these were featured in finite phrases, that is the first day of the year would be refered to as, "When the year was born," or when referencing the III month, "When the year walks.")

Each season can be further subdivided into 16 smaller spans, refered to as Hsepqum, or Spans of 7 (days, or o). Not each Hsepqum, though, is seven days long. Four Hsepqum have 8 days (the last Hsepqum of the Qate), while one (the first Hsepqum) have 9. Each Hsepqum can be numbered IV to I, where the IV is the first Hsepqum. Oftentimes, however, these are named. The function of an individual calendar generally dictates the name of each month; furthermore, the names of some are more

Similar to Roman calendars, the month is not dated from the day it starts and counts up until it reaches the end. Rather, there are three days out of the month that are named, while the rest are counted from the close of the month.

The first day of the Hsepqum is called the Ahko, or Initial-Day. The day before the last of the month is called Qmunemo, or the Day Near the Ascent. The last day is called the Qmuno, or Day of the Ascent. The other days of the Hsepqum are refered to as E Qmuno and the number, or x from the Ascent So, the first Hsepqum would be:

Code:
(This list also features modern names, transliterated from Hanáwenzo)
(Ahkninq) Ahko (Axníngu so) Áxu
E Qmuno VIII Kúno á VIII
E Qmuno VII Kúno á VII
E Qmuno VI Kúno á VI
E Qmuno V Kúno á V
E Qmuno IV Kúno á IV
E Qmuno III Kúno á III
Qmunemo Kúnemu
Qmuno Kúnu

* I don't have the numbers yet, I'm sorry

There'll be more about this later!
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:57 am Post subject:

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simon.clarkstone wrote:
This sounds like my kind of conworld! Do you have a website describing any of it?

unfortunantly, i lack the funds to run a website. but i will get around to posting all my conworld's info and resources. i've always like concave world theories for their sci-fi and fantasy aspects, especially things like the Thule Society, wikipedia them sometimes. that was the inspiration for an entire concave universe, with people living on the inner shell.

because of that, i wanted to craft a world centered around a giant new york or tokyo, and that became Haal, a city on a floating island in the center of the Centre Sea. in the center of that, the Lighthouse Palace is the tallest structure in the universe, able to illuminate an area the diameter of neptune, like a candle in the bottom of a large bowl.
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:54 am Post subject:

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Shigeru wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
This sounds like my kind of conworld! Do you have a website describing any of it?

unfortunantly, i lack the funds to run a website.

what do ya mean 'lack the funds'? there are loads of free site places out there where you can hang your hat until you can pay a few clams a month for a decent sized spot...
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject:

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There are 379.5 days per year.
These are divided into 19 months of twenty days, except on leap years (every other year) when one is only 19 days.

I havn't worked out the names yet; I'm still working on their etymologies.
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I have two calendars, one complete with names, for my conworld. A lunisolar calendar based on the northern solstice year; and a vernal-solar calendar.

http://www.sedesdraconis.com/index.cgi?Calendar
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The Wolven (Cénáre) had a calendar system consisting of four primary months of 79 days each, more or less corresponding to the different seasons throughout the year. In order, the months are: Oharel, Velókar, Adarel, Vaelar. After Vaelar, there is a seven-week "sub-month", which is used to honor the Seven Royal Lines (i.e. of the Kings of Ánovén).

Every four years (leap year), an additional day was added before these seven weeks began, which honored the first (and only) High King of Ánovén (Etheôn, of which the Seven Royal Lines were the descendants of his seven sons)

The Ánovénean New Year began on the 1st of Oharel, which corresponded approximately to June 21st (summer solstice). Each week consisted of seven days (the Wolven considered 7 to be the most sacred number), a tradition they brought with them to the Lands of Refuge (modern-day Europe and N. America) after the Lands of Émae (Ánovén and Kânavad) sunk into the ocean.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: Calendar

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leonsherlock wrote:
the electric kazoo

They exist?! Wow!

Interesting calendar!
Quote:
Leap years happen whenever the spring equinox occurs after noon.

How would they determine this? A sort of stonehenge-like thing? Would that work?

The precise details of my conworld aren't decided on yet - its a planet around a real star in our galaxy [I had a few candidates a while ago but forgot what they were], so I don't know the precise length of the day year etc. But, the year length won't be too far off earth's, because in the story I have sketched out, it was chosen for it's earth-like ness. I also haven't got names for anything, unfortunately I'm having a bit of creative block in deciding how related my languages should be, and I can't get much further with them till that's resolved [have a look here if you'd liek to give me advice]. The calendar is pretty much applicable to any planet though.

The year is defined in terms of the observable cycle of four key features: ["day" here means the time betweeen sunrise and sunset, not the rotational period] the first day which is longer than the previous day, the first day which is longer than it's night, the first day shorter than the previous day, and the first day shorter than the previous night.

The year is split into 4 sections, each starting on one of those 4 key days. Each section is split up into 3 "months," giving the familiar twelve months of our calendar. But this is coincidence. The conrace involved have three fingers and a thumb, and as a result, tend to count in threes and twelves - their number systems are mostly base 12*. The lengths of the 3 months in each section are chosen such that they either (a) all have the same length, or (b) the first two have the same length, and the third is different. This means that at a maximum the last month can be 2 days different in length from the other two [better than our three day difference of 28 - 31].

The solstices and equinoxes always fall on the final day of each of the 4 sections. There are festivals on these days.

The calendar doesn't require leap years as the start date of each section is determined by the solstices and equinoxes, so it can never drift as ours would without leap days.

* They count to 12 on the fingers of one hand by extending their fingers as follows [they have little finger, middle finger and index finger, and thumb, abbreviated as L, M, I, T]

1: L 7: L T
2: L, M 8: L, M T
3: L, M, I 9: L, M, I, T
4: M, I 10: M, I T
5: I 11: I T
6: L, I 12: L I T
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:06 am Post subject:

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Yes - Electric Kazoos Exist. I have a kazooka http://www.electrickazoo.com/ .

I am able to play drums and kazoo simultaneously by mounting the kazoo onto a harmonica neck holding thingy.

If you want to learn a strange instrument, I reccomend you buy one - they are only about 20 bucks. You will need an amp though. The Electric Kazoo is very hard to play, since there are no discreete pitches, but it's one of the most expressive instruments availible, besides the human voice.
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TomHChappell
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Again, apologies to Janko.
This goes with his "Numbers ..."; it also goes with the threads "Kinterms ..." and "Colorterms ..." which I started in this forum.

How many, and who, among us have more-or-less completish vocabularies for body parts in some of our conlangs? And which conlangs?

("Not me, yet", is, I'm afraid, my first contribution.)

Here's my attempt at an outline. If you find it incomplete, add stuff; if you find a different order would be better, re-arrange it; and if you find it makes "different" things your conlang would make "same", edit it.

Body
-Blood vessel
--Artery
--Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
--Skin
--Muscle
--Fat
--Blood
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest
---Heart
---Lung
--Abdomen or Belly
---Stomach
---Liver
---Spleen
---Intestines
--Waist
-Neck
-Extremity
--Head
---Hair
---Ear
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose
----Nostril
---Mouth
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg
----Hip
-----buttock (if different)
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle)
-----Shin
-----Calf
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
-Side
--Back
--Front
--Left
--Right
--Bottom (lower)
--Top (upper)
-Orifices
--anus
--urethral meatus?
--vagina was covered under "genitalia".
--mouth and nose and ear were covered under "head". So was "eye", but your conlang might not consider that an orifice.

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I am looking forward to the answers!

Thanks, in advance.
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Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)
</EDIT>

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<EDIT:>
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".
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Soap
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
-Blood vessel tamapop
--Artery tamap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pansa
--Skin perebi
--Muscle soppi
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
--Blood tapema
-Trunk (torso) sumpobi
--Chest pammum
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
---Stomach pemarapupi
---Liver pabapi
---Spleen barrampi
---Intestines wampupi
--Waist pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Hair wesum
---Ear uma, sobopi
----Earhole umabosadepi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Iris pispadapi
-----Pupil pispaliapi
-----Sclera no word yet
----Eyebrow pisamblesum
----Eyelid osinipi
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
----Eye socket opposadepi
----Tear gland liblapampi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Nostril taposadepi
---Mouth popopi
----Jaw poposopi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Tongue blampi
--Limb pemia
---Arm pemia
----Shoulder maba
----Elbow pemiabimbra
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
---Leg pampipi
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Knee pimbra
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
----Shin no word yet
----Foot aspi
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
---Nail ebbi
----Fingernail ebbi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
----Thumbnail arpebbi
---Finger sempi
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Side popapitabi
--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--Front jubipi
--Left blumperbap
--Right porpubat
--Bottom (lower) purpa
--Top (upper) pimpampi
-Orifices
--anus parpab
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More:
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
clitoris: pubi
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi
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Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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cromulant wrote:

Your forgot the Isles of Langerhans.

I tried to leave out most things that were microscopic (like the Islets), and most things that were not visible on the surface (like the Islets).

(I also left out the Organ of Zuckerkandl, which resides in the arch of the aorta. Nobody seems to know what it's for.)

(And I left out the voicebox or larynx, and other parts of the speech system. Perhaps I should have included some of them. Others are welcome to, if they feel it would be good to do so.)

Bones and blood and stomachs-and-or-intestines and hearts and wombs, however, seemed like I should include them.

Blood is often visible on the surface, after a minor injury.

If bone is visible on the surface, a major injury has occurred; but one can detect the bone from the outside by touch.

Hearts move and make a sound detectable from the outside.

The same is true of the stomach-and-or-intestines; furthermore the owner of the stomach can often tell when it's empty, or when it wants to operate in reverse (the name of that sensation is "nausea").

Wombs have visible results; and their owners know what's going on in them. (Actually, I've been kicked awake by an unborn baby whose mother slept through the kick!)

As for livers and spleens and sweetbreads and so on: They are often referred to in old-fashioned conversations preceding the advent of modern medicine; I assume that the practice of butchery, together with those of surgery and veterinary and medicine, familiarized people with some of them. In some Native North American languages, for instance, an automobile's battery is referred to as its "liver".

It would be reasonable for some conlangs not to have all of these, and for others to have body-part terms in addition to these.

cromulant wrote:

My word for arm is khaib.
I'll get back to you on all the others.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
-Blood vessel tamapop
--Artery tamap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pansa
--Skin perebi
--Muscle soppi
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
--Blood tapema
-Trunk (torso) sumpobi
--Chest pammum
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
---Stomach pemarapupi
---Liver pabapi
---Spleen barrampi
---Intestines wampupi
--Waist pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Hair wesum
---Ear uma, sobopi
----Earhole umabosadepi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Iris pispadapi
-----Pupil pispaliapi
-----Sclera no word yet
----Eyebrow pisamblesum
----Eyelid osinipi
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
----Eye socket opposadepi
----Tear gland liblapampi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Nostril taposadepi
---Mouth popopi
----Jaw poposopi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Tongue blampi
--Limb pemia
---Arm pemia
----Shoulder maba
----Elbow pemiabimbra
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
---Leg pampipi
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Knee pimbra
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
----Shin no word yet
----Foot aspi
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
---Nail ebbi
----Fingernail ebbi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
----Thumbnail arpebbi
---Finger sempi
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Side popapitabi
--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--Front jubipi
--Left blumperbap
--Right porpubat
--Bottom (lower) purpa
--Top (upper) pimpampi
-Orifices
--anus parpab
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More:
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
clitoris: pubi
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Thanks.
What's the name of your conlang?

Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Ear uma, sobopi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Why more than one word?
In some cases, viz.
Kuvdamos wrote:

--Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem

it looks like you need a phrase to distinguish from some other body-part;
but in some cases, viz.
Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Ear uma, sobopi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

it looks like you have more than one term which are interpretable by the same "English" term.
In the latter cases, is that because your conlang makes a distinction "English" doesn't (actually, that I didn't?)
Or do you have two different synonyms? In which case when is it appropriate to use the one, and when the other?

Kuvdamos wrote:

-----Sclera no word yet
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Shin no word yet
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet

Fine. Not all languages have words for these. Yours may end up needing phrases for some of these.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----testicle lespapi (plural only)

Fine. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

OK. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Eyebrow pisamblesum
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)

That's fine, probably.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?

Yes!
I have edited it.
Do you have a word for "thigh" in your conlang?

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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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doctrellor
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Joined: 19 Oct 2003
Location: Land of 10,000 lakes..:)
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)

I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail

like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on

so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem

I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject:

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Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?

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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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doctrellor wrote:

TomHChappell wrote:

Does your conlang ... use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail
like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on
so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem
I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

Thanks. I look forward to it.
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject:

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(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.

These are the ones I have words for:

Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:

Body Body
-Blood vessel Bleed Vessel
--Artery Artery
--Vein Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Bone
--Skin Skin
--Muscle Muscle
--Fat Fat
--Blood Bleed
-Trunk (torso) Torso
--Chest Chest
---Heart Heart
---Lung Lung
--Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly
---Stomach Stomach
---Liver Liver
---Spleen Sploon
---Intestines Intestines
--Waist Waist
-Neck Neck
-Extremity Extremity
--Head Hed
---Hair Hair
---Ear Ear
----Earhole Ear Canal
---Eye Eye
----Eyeball Eyeball
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupil
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Eyebrow
----Eyelid Eyelid
-----Eyelash Eyelash
----Eye socket Eye socket
----Tear gland Tear Gland
---Nose Nose
----Nostril Nostril
---Mouth Mouth
----Jaw Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw
----Tooth Tooth
-----Incisor Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar
----Tongue Tongue
--Limb Limb
---Arm Arm
----Shoulder Shoulder
----Elbow Elbow
----Wrist Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm
----Lower Arm Lower Arm
----Hand Hand
-----Palm Palm
---Leg Leg
----Hip Hip
----Knee Knoo
----Ankle Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg
----Shin Shin
----Foot Foot
-----Sole Sole
-----Ball Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit
---Nail Nail
----Fingernail Fingernail
----Toenail Toenail
---Toe Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe
----Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe
----Other toes? Toes
---Thumb Thumb
----Thumbnail Thumbnail
---Finger Finger
----Index finger Index Finger
----Pinky finger Pinky Finger
----Middle finger Middle Finger
----Ring finger Ring Finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals
---female Female
----vagina Vagina
----womb Womb
---male Male
----penis Penis
----testicle Testicle
-Side Side
--Back Back
--Front Front
--Left Left
--Right Right
--Bottom (lower) Bottom
--Top (upper) Top
-Orifices Orifices
--anus Anus
--urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject:

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Sploon! Fabulous! (But shouldn't it be weemb?)
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject:

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What about the oonus?

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Wow, I've got almost nothing....

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis)
eye - simah
eyes - soemaef
lip - zilh
muscle - hacaz (also means meat)
fat - jeikosc
throat - vezop
genitalia - vuseis
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:19 am Post subject:

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Goza Lesha wrote:

(For Zevino'shoma)
This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.
These are the ones I have words for:
Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

Great! Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote:

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:
Body Body
-Blood vessel Bleed Vessel
--Artery Artery
--Vein Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Bone
--Skin Skin
--Muscle Muscle
--Fat Fat
--Blood Bleed
-Trunk (torso) Torso
--Chest Chest
---Heart Heart
---Lung Lung
--Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly
---Stomach Stomach
---Liver Liver
---Spleen Sploon
---Intestines Intestines
--Waist Waist
-Neck Neck
-Extremity Extremity
--Head Hed
---Hair Hair
---Ear Ear
----Earhole Ear Canal
---Eye Eye
----Eyeball Eyeball
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupil
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Eyebrow
----Eyelid Eyelid
-----Eyelash Eyelash
----Eye socket Eye socket
----Tear gland Tear Gland
---Nose Nose
----Nostril Nostril
---Mouth Mouth
----Jaw Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw
----Tooth Tooth
-----Incisor Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar
----Tongue Tongue
--Limb Limb
---Arm Arm
----Shoulder Shoulder
----Elbow Elbow
----Wrist Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm
----Lower Arm Lower Arm
----Hand Hand
-----Palm Palm
---Leg Leg
----Hip Hip
----Knee Knoo
----Ankle Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg
----Shin Shin
----Foot Foot
-----Sole Sole
-----Ball Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit
---Nail Nail
----Fingernail Fingernail
----Toenail Toenail
---Toe Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe
----Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe
----Other toes? Toes
---Thumb Thumb
----Thumbnail Thumbnail
---Finger Finger
----Index finger Index Finger
----Pinky finger Pinky Finger
----Middle finger Middle Finger
----Ring finger Ring Finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals
---female Female
----vagina Vagina
----womb Womb
---male Male
----penis Penis
----testicle Testicle
-Side Side
--Back Back
--Front Front
--Left Left
--Right Right
--Bottom (lower) Bottom
--Top (upper) Top
-Orifices Orifices
--anus Anus
--urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

Weird! Thanks. I look forward to seeing what the diachronic relationship to English is.

schwhatever wrote:

Wow, I've got almost nothing....

I've got you beat; I've got exactly nothing!

schwhatever wrote:

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis)
eye - simah
eyes - soemaef
lip - zilh
muscle - hacaz (also means meat)
fat - jeikosc
throat - vezop
genitalia - vuseis

What's the name of your conlang?

schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah
eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it?
I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

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TomHChappell wrote:

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Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)
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Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

TomHChappell wrote:

<EDIT>
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".
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Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Radagast wrote:

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

That's the kind of thing I wanted to know about.
What's the answer for Mèlw?

Radagast wrote:

Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes

Thanks.

Radagast wrote:

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

Interesting!
Thanks.

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Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.
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THC wrote:
What's the name of your conlang?
Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Quote:
Why more than one word?
The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually. Is this all going to a database somewhere or are you just curious?

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Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?
Yes. Pabappa started as a jokelang three years ago, but I got too attached to it to let it remain as such.
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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."
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Terran humans for this: (Muphridian language)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Brain

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

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I have a few in Palhàwan:

body - ë̀yro
head - ë̀yròi
hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar
mouth - lhàma
nose - tìa
eye - àsþol
ear - fazs
tooth - b̀àma
tongue )- dàðel
neck - wonh
arm - telumàrel
hand - telùmar
knee - wòxin
leg - wòxel
foot - woxh
heart - selùmel
skin -nìam
blood -mìrim

Seat of Life:
Head

Seat of Emotion:
Heart

Seat of Consciousness:
Head

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:28 am Post subject:

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Radagast wrote:

Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

THC wrote:

What's the name of your conlang?

Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Quote:

Why more than one word?

The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

Kind of what I thought. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually.

Let us know? Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Is this all going to a database somewhere

I wish!

Kuvdamos wrote:

or are you just curious?

'Fraid so.
My own computer has no internet connection; "my" internet connection is not on my own computer. It takes more technical skill than I have been able to acquire as yet to put all this in a database someplace. But, if Janko can do it, I should be able to as well, shouldn't I? I just don't know how.

Delalyra wrote:

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

Interesting; thanks.
(I have been told -- I don't know whether it's true -- that in "modern western" societies, men tend to see certain parts of their bodies as the "center of their sexual attractiveness", whereas women OTOH see each and every part of their bodies as the "center(?) of their sexual attractiveness". Your Vernaclerians' thinking that each part of their body is the "seat of life" sounds a little like the latter. But do they feel that way about hair and nails? And excretions such as sweat and saliva and earwax?)

Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this:
(Muphridian language)
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

Raluv wrote:

I have a few in Palhàwan:
body - ë̀yro
head - ë̀yròi
hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar
mouth - lhàma
nose - tìa
eye - àsþol
ear - fazs
tooth - b̀àma
tongue )- dàðel
neck - wonh
arm - telumàrel
hand - telùmar
knee - wòxin
leg - wòxel
foot - woxh
heart - selùmel
skin -nìam
blood -mìrim

Seat of Life: Head
Seat of Emotion: Heart
Seat of Consciousness: Head

Thanks.
"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they?
"wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they?
Are there other relationships I've missed?
Thanks again.

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Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

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Here u go

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
...I...have ...penis

By the way, what city are you from? SE is nowhere close to where I visit- I go to West Branch (the smiley-face city) annually.
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Gevey does better than I expected on body parts - lots of words/concepts still missing, though. Most of these words have been generated to meet various translation exercise requirements:

Simple animate status body parts:
aelne (aeln) ear
bazhjarhe (bazhjarh) thumb
bazhve (bazhev) finger
becye (beceey) skin
khuane (khuant) womb
me'he (met) throat
shaawe (shaawg) hand
shkipe (shkip) heart
shlune (shlum) nose, snout
slofre (slofehr) head
wanhe (wang) eye
woole (wool) face, visage
yeetse (yeetes) tongue
zwi'he (zwit) blood

Inanimate status body parts:
cesuu (cesk) body, torso
drestuu (drest) forehead
ezekuu (ezek) foot, paw
friskuu (frisk) guts, intestines
ghimuu (ghim) muscle
grupuu (grup) hair, fur, wool
joejuu (joej) leg
koguu (kog) bone
osucuu (osuc) stomach, belly
poyuu (poy) chin
raekhwuu (raekhouwg) shoulder
rhuuluu (rhuul) tooth
shewuu (shewg) back, saddle
shnaathuu (shnaath) placenta
storuu (stor) chest
ubulhuu (ubul) neck
vroiduu (vroid) arm
zdanuu (zdant) skull

Body products (all inanimate status):
thakluu becyizhuu (yuu becyizhuu thakel) spot, zit
ma'haelhuu (ma'hael) urine, piss
ma'haelhuu zdanizhuu (yuu zdanizhuu ma'hael) phlegm
mabecyuu (mabeceey) sweat
zwibecyuu (zwibeceey) scab

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Delalyra
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject:

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daryush wrote:
amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.
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daryush wrote:
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That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

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Delalyra wrote:

daryush wrote:

amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.

Whimemsz wrote:

daryush wrote:

Here u go

That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?

What they said. Amazing, Turkish-oid, all of it.

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It was originally an auxlang for Turkish before I decided to build a conworld around it ... so yeah, its absurdly heavily influenced (there is quite a bit of con- in it, though )

Thanks for the comments btw
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TomHChappell wrote:
Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this:
(Muphridian language)
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

I don't have much of the history of the Muphridian language (or the Muphridians), but there is a general overview there of the history, and the language here: http://scjuwiki.azivelar.net/wiki/Muphridian_Language. (under construction)

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
What's the name of your conlang?

Faranit. Although there is a little ambiguity.

TomHChappell wrote:
schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah
eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

It's left over from an older plural system similar to German's lengthening system. I haven't worked out the specifics yet, unfortunately. It irregular, but with some method to its madness, as you can see the remnents of the earlier plural system, but also a worn down version of the later -(I/E)b system.

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schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it?
I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

Maybe? It was buried in my lexicon and I thought I might as well...

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schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

No, it's the same.

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schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

Thanks.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:41 pm Post subject:

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Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.
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MustangDan15 wrote:
Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.
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Thanks, Sano.

Sano wrote:

MustangDan15 wrote:
Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.

Qatama: English:

anaq head
anuq ear(s)
ongo eye(s)
okota heart
toru back
taruya hip/waist
tara belly/stomach
utar chest/breast
nogra feet/toes
anuja leg
udan hand/arm
qongo joint
gan bone
gua mouth/face
ogua facial hair
uha skin
udanju fingers/knuckles
dong nose
g'tla shoulder
qono muscle
anaqra neck
guata teeth
guaja tongue
unuq hair

-Khang

1) Did I do that right?

2) Why did you quote yourself?
2a) Apparently you had already answered this question in some other post. Where? and what post?

3) The word "nogra feet/toes" reminds me a bit of Russian; but the rest of the list doesn't remind me of any language in particular. Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Again, Thanks.
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Did I do that right?

Better than I did.

Quote:
Why did you quote yourself?, Where?

ease, CBB

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Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Not at all.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

1) the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

2)The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

3) The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.

The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.

The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:
* A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
* An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
* Direction.

This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.

The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.

When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.

Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.

I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

[Edit]Dumb grammar.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject:

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"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they?
"wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they?
Are there other relationships I've missed?

The suffix "-el" means something like "the source of." So "telùmar" is hand, and "telumàrel" is literally "hand source", or the arm. With "woxh," which is foot, the h is silent and then dropped when the suffix is added making "wòxel," or leg. "Wòxin" is foot with the suffix for what equates to "middle." There are a few more like "ë̀ro" and "ë̀roi" for body and head. "ërotelùmar," meaning hair, is also related believe it or not, to hand, literally meaning "little hands."

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Radioguy
Mey

Joined: 19 Aug 2006
Location: Golden Temple, Bham
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject:

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I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!
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TomHChappell
Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject:

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Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no;
it just slipped my mind completely!
I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started.
The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

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Radioguy
Mey

Joined: 19 Aug 2006
Location: Golden Temple, Bham
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no;
it just slipped my mind completely!
I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started.
The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

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Tom H.C. in MI

It's awwwwwwwwwwwwwright
I should have my post here by the end of the week.
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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject:

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Radioguy wrote:

I should have my post here by the end of the week.

I'm still looking forward to it.
Thanks.
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bulbaquil
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Joined: 17 Nov 2006

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject:

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Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman)
tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`]
tongue - šuun [s`u:n]
alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L]
palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h]
velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm]
uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx]
glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875
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Boskobènet
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject:

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I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s)
gums
palate
uvula
throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing)
throat, thrachea, windpipe
breast, tit, teat
nipple
belly button
tendon
forehead
temple
bladder
calf
butt, buttocks, ass/arse
pelvis
spine, backbone
skull
rib(s) / ribcage

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?
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Turtlehead
Šalea

Joined: 07 May 2005
Location: Aotearoa
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Body Kanana
-Blood vessel aka
--Artery akala
--Vein akawana
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone ohakao
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala
--Skin lamaha
--Muscle kako
--Fat lapala
--Blood koko
-Trunk (torso) koho
--Chest hahaka
---Heart 'alona
---Lung lana
--Abdomen or Belly po'o
---Stomach 'ahakalo
---Liver lawala
---Spleen hapalana
---Intestines po'oloko
--Waist hopa
-Neck na'a
-Extremity
--Head opo'o
---Hair ma'awa
---Ear kalana
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye 'alo
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose aho
----Nostril
---Mouth waha
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm lana
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg wawa
----Hip
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--genitalia
---female
----vagina kala
----womb halapapa
---male
----penis ola
----testicle paopao
-Side kaha
--Back mola
--Front moa
--Left maoa
--Right makao
--Bottom (lower) lalo
--Top (upper) lona
--anus anoho
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Arunaza
Tšur

Joined: 16 Oct 2005
Location: Nouvelle Angleterre
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:26 am Post subject:

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Sdannískr

Lihhámr (body)
-Flǽskr (flesh)
--Bǽnr (bone)
--Flǽskr (flesh)
--Kríǥr (strength--muscle)
--Tálgr (fat)
--Bloðís (blood)
-Búlr (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso)
--Bármr (chest)
---Hǽrto (heart)
---Lúnǥwr (lung)
---Brýstr (breast)
--Hrǽfr (abdomen)
--Gérþ (waist)
-Hálsr (neck)
-Strǽkætiwr (limbs, lit. "extendeds")
--Hǿvuð (head)
---Hǽrr (hair)
---Ǿro (ear)
---Ǿǥa (eye)
----Bréhwo (eyelash)
---Snútr (nose)
---Múnþr (mouth)
----Kǿko (jaw)
----Tánþr (tooth)
----Túngo (tongue)
--Lím (limb)
---Ármr (harm)
----Sklúðro (shoulder)
----Wrístr (wrist)
----Múndr (hand)
-----Lófr (palm)
---Hýpr (hip)
---Kníw (knee)
---Ánkulwr (ankle)
---Þýhr (thigh)
---Skíno (shin)
---Fót (foot)
----Lǽstr (sole)
----Hahílr (heel)
--Fíngrr (toe or thumb or finger)
---Tǽhwo (toe)
---Ðúmo (thumb)
--Grúnd (groin)
--Fúlwatos (genitals/groin area, lit. "hiddens")
---Blédr (bladder)
---Ársr (butt)
----Arskúlr (anus)
---Kwénir (woman)
----Slít (vagina)
----Wámb (womb)
---Mánnr (man)
----Sǽkkr (scrotum)
----Fýrnr (penis)
----Bállukr (testicle)
-Síðo (side)
--Hrýng (back)
--Fǿro (front)
--Hlǿmr (left)
--Ríhtr (right)
--Bóð (bottom)
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Waldkater
Tšur

Joined: 15 Oct 2002
Location: Leipzig
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Body - elwer - ellor
-Blood vessel - uía - clœya
--Artery - súloŋ
--Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed
--Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha
--Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@]
--Muscle - deuma - tóimma
--Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj]
--Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@]
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest - ámos
---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w]
---Lung - sválode - sbállod
--Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm
---Stomach - byallo - beáll
---Liver - bóyar - póughar
---Spleen - quellego
---Pancreas - felgeustar
---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@]
--Waist
-Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l]
-Extremity
--Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn]
---Hair - fille - híll
---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]
----Earhole
----Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma
---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]
----Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)
-----Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]
-----Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth
----Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth
-----Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag
----Eye socket - sattuce
----Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)
---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg
----Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog
---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga
----Jaw - vaugo - vóugh
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo
-----Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo
----Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág
-----Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)
----Tongue - maiga - máigga
--Limb
---Arm - lámo - láom
----Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]
----Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]
----Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]
-----Palm - yéna
---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]
----Hip - rωbe - rúaibh
----Knee - nébos - néobhas
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]
-----Sole - sumba
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-
----Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)
----Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)
---Toe - derdon
---Thumb - duntice
---Finger - dún - tún
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female - quenwe
----vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)
----womb - urwa - urbha
---male - donya
----penis - litto - líott [Lit]
----testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh
-Orifices
--anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis
pus - peugema
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TomHChappell
Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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bulbaquil wrote:

Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman)
tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`]
tongue - šuun [s`u:n]
alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L]
palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h]
velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm]
uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx]
glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s)
gums
palate
uvula
throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing)
throat, thrachea, windpipe
breast, tit, teat
nipple
belly button
tendon
forehead
temple
bladder
calf
butt, buttocks, ass/arse
pelvis
spine, backbone
skull
rib(s) / ribcage

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?

"Breast" might not apply to non-mammals.
Nevertheless it should be included. Thanks for bringing it up.
"Ass/arse" should obviously apply to nearly any animal, even sea-squirts.
Thanks for including it.

Turtlehead wrote:

Body Kanana
-Blood vessel aka
--Artery akala
--Vein akawana
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone ohakao
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala
--Skin lamaha
--Muscle kako
--Fat lapala
--Blood koko
-Trunk (torso) koho
--Chest hahaka
---Heart 'alona
---Lung lana
--Abdomen or Belly po'o
---Stomach 'ahakalo
---Liver lawala
---Spleen hapalana
---Intestines po'oloko
--Waist hopa
-Neck na'a
-Extremity
--Head opo'o
---Hair ma'awa
---Ear kalana
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye 'alo
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose aho
----Nostril
---Mouth waha
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm lana
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg wawa
----Hip
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--genitalia
---female
----vagina kala
----womb halapapa
---male
----penis ola
----testicle paopao
-Side kaha
--Back mola
--Front moa
--Left maoa
--Right makao
--Bottom (lower) lalo
--Top (upper) lona
--anus anoho

Interesting! Thanks.

Arunaza wrote:

Svannískar

Lik-hámar (body)
-Flǽskar (flesh)
--Bǽnar (bone)
--Flǽskar (flesh)
--Krígar (strength--muscle)
--Tálgar (fat)
--Bloðísøam (blood)
-Búlar (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso)
--Bármar (chest)
---Hérto (heart)
---Lúnġwar (lung)
--Hrǽfir (abdomen)
--Gérþu (waist)
-Hálsar (neck)
-Strǽkætiwir (limbs, lit. "extendeds")
--Haúbuðam (head)
---Hǽrar (hair)
---Aúro (ear)
---Aúġa (eye)
----Bréhwo (eyelash)
---Snútar (nose)
---Múnþar (mouth)
----Kaúko (jaw)
----Tánþar (tooth)
----Túngo (tongue)
--Límu (limb)
---Ármar (harm)
----Sklúðro (shoulder)
----Urístir (wrist)
----Múndar (hand)
-----Lófar (palm)
---Hýpir (hip)
---Kníwam (knee)
---Ánkulwar (ankle)
---Þýhar (thigh)
---Skíno (shin)
---Fótam (foot)
----Lǽstar (sole)
----Hahílar (heel)
--Fíngrar (toe or thumb or finger)
---Tǽhwo (toe)
---Ðúmo (thumb)
--Fúlwatar (genitals, lit. "hiddens")
---Kwénir (woman)
----Slítam (vagina)
----Wámbam
---Mánnar (man)
----Fýrnir (penis)
----Bállukar (testicle)
-Síðo (side)
--Hrýggam (back)
--Faúro (front)
--Hleúmar (left)
--Ríhtar (right)
--Bóðam (bottom)

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand.
Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

Waldkater wrote:

Body - elwer - ellor
-Blood vessel - uía - clœya
--Artery - súloŋ
--Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed
--Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha
--Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@]
--Muscle - deuma - tóimma
--Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj]
--Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@]
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest - ámos
---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w]
---Lung - sválode - sbállod
--Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm
---Stomach - byallo - beáll
---Liver - bóyar - póughar
---Spleen - quellego
---Pancreas - felgeustar
---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@]
--Waist
-Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l]
-Extremity
--Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn]
---Hair - fille - híll
---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]
----Earhole
----Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma
---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]
----Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)
-----Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]
-----Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth
----Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth
-----Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag
----Eye socket - sattuce
----Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)
---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg
----Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog
---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga
----Jaw - vaugo - vóugh
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo
-----Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo
----Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág
-----Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)
----Tongue - maiga - máigga
--Limb
---Arm - lámo - láom
----Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]
----Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]
----Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]
-----Palm - yéna
---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]
----Hip - rωbe - rúaibh
----Knee - nébos - néobhas
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]
-----Sole - sumba
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-
----Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)
----Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)
---Toe - derdon
---Thumb - duntice
---Finger - dún - tún
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female - quenwe
----vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)
----womb - urwa - urbha
---male - donya
----penis - litto - líott [Lit]
----testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh
-Orifices
--anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis
pus - peugema

Thanks for mentioning them.
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Waldkater
Tšur

Joined: 15 Oct 2002
Location: Leipzig
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject:

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Quote:
Waldkater wrote:

English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand.
Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

ohh... sorry -
Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial")
but i was too lazy later
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Radioguy wrote:
I should have my post here by the end of the week.

@Radioguy, did you ever post here?

Waldkater wrote:
Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial") but i was too lazy later

Thanks. Do you have any more you'd like to show us now?
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Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!

Head - dú
Nose - amar
Eye - škíol
Mouth - armu
Ear - níu
Chin - va
Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd
Throat / Neck - damá

Shoulder - issun
Chest / Stomach - núa
Sides - gatod
Back - rammrót
Hip / Waist - fúv

Arm / Leg - skaro
Back of arm / Back of leg - orga
Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét
Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull
Finger / Toe - ram
Knee / Elbow - aitait

Flaccid penis - pelúa
Erect penis - lakkuš
Scrotum / Testes - ssap
'Gooch' - emrát
Vagina - tlaš a feu
Anus - tlaš
Buttock - mappíok
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cromulant wrote:
My word for arm is khaib. I'll get back to you on all the others.

@Cromulant; Did you get back to us on the others yet? Or, how much of it is available elsewhere? and, if any, where?
Thanks.

doctrellor wrote:
I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail, like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on, so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem. I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

@Doc; Did you post a list for Drem? Or is one available somewhere else? Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote:
(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.
These are the ones I have words for:
Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:
---SNIP Muphridian---

@Goza Lesha; Thanks for the Muphridian. Thanks also for as much of the Zevino'shoma as you've posted. Do you have anything on-line telling about their anatomy? Or other interesting things about them?
In re the Zevino'shoma bodyparts, you said "I'll come back for the rest later". Have you some more bodypart terms for them available somewhere?
Thanks.

Radagast wrote:
Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.
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Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes
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(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

@Radagast; thanks. (Radagast the Brown, right?)
Do you have more Mèlw terms online somewhere? Or that you'd like to post here?

Delalyra wrote:
Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

@Delalyra; What else can you tell us about Vernaclerian bodypart terms etc.?

Eddy wrote:
Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

@Eddy; Do you have anything else you think we'd like to see yet?

sintau.tayua wrote:
The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

@sintau.tayua; What else do you know about Psinu that probably belongs on this thread?
Thanks.

Old Man Neek wrote:
TomHChappell wrote:

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.
The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.
The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:
* A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
* An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
* Direction.
This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.
The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.
When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.
Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.
I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

@You, Neek ('cause there is only one of you); Oh, yes, it surely does help; thanks. Have you been able to expand the vocabulary yet to any other names of organs that you'd like us to see? If so, where can we look for them?

-Klaivas- wrote:
Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!
Head - dú
Nose - amar
Eye - škíol
Mouth - armu
Ear - níu
Chin - va
Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd
Throat / Neck - damá
Shoulder - issun
Chest / Stomach - núa
Sides - gatod
Back - rammrót
Hip / Waist - fúv
Arm / Leg - skaro
Back of arm / Back of leg - orga
Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét
Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull
Finger / Toe - ram
Knee / Elbow - aitait
Flaccid penis - pelúa
Erect penis - lakkuš
Scrotum / Testes - ssap
'Gooch' - emrát
Vagina - tlaš a feu
Anus - tlaš
Buttock - mappíok

Thanks, -Klaivas-.
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".
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The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif
Hand kamr
Eye axr
Tongue lis
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TomHChappell wrote:
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
Haha, but of course they (I) do What else would I call it? Area-between-anus-and-front-genetalia ( etde-om-tlašos-om-[pelúas/lakkušos/tlaš-a-feus] ) ?
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TomHChappell wrote:
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".

When I was growing up, the male version was a "choad." (Hrm, can't blame that on regional differences either, can I?) But since then I've been introduced to the word "taint" ('t ain't one end and 't ain't the other) which appears to be gender-neutral.
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nebula wind phone wrote:
the male version was a "choad."
I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a penis which is wider than it is long".

Also, use thy "t"s consistently! 'T ain't one end and 't ain't t' other
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject:

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-Klaivas- wrote:
What else would I call it?

Perineum. Having kids introduces you to vocabulary you never knew existed.
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Amsel wrote:
The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif
Hand kamr
Eye axr
Tongue lis

You're doing well in other semantic fields; and in this one you're at least four ahead of me.
Thanks.
We'll be looking forward to seeing/hearing your expanded list.
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-Klaivas- wrote:
nebula wind phone wrote:
the male version was a "choad."
I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a which is wider than it is long".

Well, I wasn't "brought up" with the term, but I'd seen "choad" used to mean "jism" (or "semen" or "seed" or "ejaculate"(the noun)).
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Has anyone got anything new?
Has anyone who hasn't posted yet got anything responsive to the first 10 or 15 posts?
Has anyone who has already posted got anything new they haven't posted yet that fits in with the first 10 or so posts?
Does anyone want to change anything?
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What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?
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No offense, but I think nearly everyone will vote to let it die. It's not that it's not a great thread, it's just that hey, if we do it for this thread, why not 99 others? And then the museum would just be hard to browse though. I saved the thread to my hard drive though.
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So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?
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So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

booger slide?
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TomHChappell wrote:
What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?

I was happy to move the kinterms thread to the Museum because it contains some very useful information on the way different languages divide up the "kinship space" differently and how this correlates to cultural factors. I can't see any corresponding justification for indexing this thread; it's a nice collection, but it is just a collection of vocabulary from our conlangs.
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Wycoval wrote:
So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

A Uvula. Remember Google is your friend!

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Sorry, no.
The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

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Philtrum.
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Philtrum.

Obviously, we need to find a better English word for it. None of this Latiny-Greeky nonsense.
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Cénárol

nava- foot (pl. navam)*
paldo- hand (pl. paldom)*
qar'ta- finger
hir'da- head
ristai- arm (pl. ristím)**
nif- leg (pl. nífu)*

*NOTE: These terms are pluralized in the dual form only, unless when referenced in a group of people

**NOTE: Cénárol sound rule- ai>í
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Rav Shimon wrote:
Sorry, no.
The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

Oh then I have no idea what he's talking about nor what it looks like.

EDIT: Now that I've seen the pic I know what it is and what it looks like. Now I have a question:

What purpose does it serve?

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Serali wrote:
What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.
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Here are the words for body parts I have for Terpish so far:

Bol — belly
Jok — eye
Klit — clitoris
Kof — head
Kor — heart
Liöshan — brain
Mumbe — butt
Piej — foot

Naturally, the Terps understand biology well enough to understand the appropriate place for the seat of emotion and consciousness (the brain).
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boy #12 wrote:
Serali wrote:
What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

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Serali wrote:
WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

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Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible
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What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

Soap wrote:

--Fat blampilpim

lol

Sorry, I didn't intend to be mean, that word just sounds funny. Blampilpim.
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Qwynegold wrote:
What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.
-Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle."
-The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye.
-The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg.
-"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc.
-The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."
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Ok, here's a tricky question*: where's the canthus?

*extra points if you don't use wikipedia.
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Rav Shimon wrote:
Serali wrote:
WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

Thanks! Never knew that!

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Eddy wrote:
Klit — clitoris

Now why would they have borrowed this word?

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Now why would they have borrowed this word?

Same reason why English did? Actually, I was lazy and didn't feel like coining a new word at the time (happens a lot with Terpish).
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boy #12 wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:
What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.
-Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle."
-The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye.
-The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg.
-"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc.
-The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."

Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?
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Qwynegold wrote:
Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.
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In Zali ["Zali]

Body tem [tEm]
-Blood vessel
--Artery
--Vein
-Material of which it is composed pu [pu] (just means "stuff", "material")
--Bone zaik [Zajk]
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
--Skin
--Muscle mad [mad]
--Fat
--Blood eik [Ejk]
-Trunk (torso) jul [dZUl]
--Chest bus [bUS]
---Heart
---Lung
--Abdomen or Belly taun [tawn]
---Stomach
---Liver
---Spleen
---Intestines
--Waist edil ["EdIl]
-Neck stiv [StIv]
-Extremity
--Head pok [pOk]
---Hair iki ["iki] (= hair on head), tal [tal] (= hair on body, fur, general word for hair)
---Ear cok [tSOk]
----Earhole cokdvad ["tSOkdvad]
----Earlobe?
---Eye og [Og]
----Eyeball ogwel ["OgwEl]
-----Iris
-----Pupil ognol ["OgnOl] (= "eyeblack")
-----Sclera ogaigu ["Ogajgu] (= "eyewhite")
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash ogtal ["Ogtal] (= "eyehair")
----Eye socket ogdvad ["Ogdvad] (= "eyehole")
----Tear gland
---Nose penk [pENk]
----Nostril penkdvad ["pENkdvad]
---Mouth sab [Sab] (= externally visible part of the mouth, ie. the lips), cik [tSIk] (= oral cavity)
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth (!I think I had a word for this, but lost it when I lost my dictionary)
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue lamil ["lamIl]
--Limb
---Arm cad [tSad]
----Shoulder zut [ZUt]
----Elbow cadwelik ["tSadwElIk] (= "armjoint")
----Wrist logwelik ["lOgwElIk] (= "handjoint")
----Humerus (upper arm) yalcad ["jaltSad] (= "toparm")
----Lower Arm loncad ["lOntSad] (= "bottomarm")
----Hand log [lOg]
-----Palm
---Leg duk [dUk]
----Hip pois [pOjS]
----Knee dukwelik ["dUkwElIk] (= "legjoint")
----Ankle dezwelik ["dEZwElIk] (= "footjoint")
----Thigh (upper leg) yalduk ["jaldUk]
----Shin hilag ["hilag] (= shin, bony part at front), oboz ["ObOZ] (= calf, muscular part at back), lenduk ["lEndUk] (= "bottomleg")
----Foot dez [dEZ]
-----Sole dezlen ["dEZlEn] (= "footbottom")
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) ix [Its]
---Nail vask [vaSk]
----Fingernail log(ix)vask ["lOg(Its)vaSk] (= "hand(digit)nail")
----Toenail dez(ix)vask ["dEZ(Its)vaSk] (= "foot(digit)nail")
---Toe dezix ["dEZIts] (= "footdigit")
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) darix ["dazIts] (= "bigdigit"), dadezix ["dadEZIts] (= "bigfootdigit")
----Pinky toe or little toe posxirix ["pOStsizIts] (= "mostlittledigit")
----Other individual toes? xidezix ["tsidEZIts] (= "littlefootdigit")
---Thumb zadix ["ZadIts] (= "importantdigit")
----Thumbnail zadixvask ["ZadItsvaSk] (= "importantdigitnail")
---Finger logix ["lOgIts]
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---Female en [En]
----vagina munu ["munu]
----womb
---male az [aZ]
----penis wung [wUN]
----testicle
-Side vel
--Back (!don't remember offhand)
--Front (!don't remember offhand)
--Left
--Right
--Bottom (lower) len- ["lEn-]
--Top (upper) yal- ["jal-]
-Orifices
--anus dumfdvad ["dUmfdvad] (= "arsehole")
--urethral meatus?

Other
breast, boob bumba ["bUmba]
arse, buttocks, bum dumf ["dUmf]
skull pokzaik ["pOkZajk] (= "headbone")

As for the other questions - they are much like us, technologically and scientifically advanced, so they know the true function of each organ, but much like us, although they know the true situation, there still remain certain cultural attachments to organs. The heart and guts are the home of the emotions - the heart beats faster with just about any intense emotion, and when it gets even more intense, the stomach aches. Consciousness was associated with the eyes, although it then became associated with the brain because people who had lost their eyes still reported being conscious - the brain was the obvious choice, being behind the eyes, and able to see through them.
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I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

In my family, it was always called the "dribble drain", which kind of doesn't make sense, because ... um, gravity goes down, so ... I don't know.

Some guy in a pub told me one night that that was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ...
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boy #12 wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:
Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.

OK, now I understand. Thx!
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Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible

There are several conspecies around who cannot pronounce labials, and they don't seem to mind. Ollock's Xala, for a start.
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Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.

The oxygenation state is the other way round in the vessels going between the heart and the lungs. I dunno how it works before being born.

Oh, add "placenta" to the list if you want.
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Thanks, mavonduri, eddy, soap, imralu

Imralu wrote:
Some guy in a pub told me one night that that [the philtrum] was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ...
I heard that Plato or the Platonists said it was the "cavern angel" telling each newly-reborn soul not to tell any memories of its former lives.

So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list?
uvula
philtrum
artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart)
vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart)
portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart)
brain
back of the neck
front of the neck
back of the head
forehead
wisdom tooth
canthus
clitoris
breast
buttock
butt
skull
placenta
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Atalant wrote:
Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible
No philtrums on some Fetal Alcohol Syndrome people, but Ive never heard them have a problem with labial consonants.

I'll put up the Izda Mir body parts soon. (They'll be pretty similar to Pabappa's.)
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Here are the words in Lhueslue:

Body lu /lu:/ (human), rhu /ɻu:/ (animal)
-Blood vessel ueshie-echul /yʃə:etʃu:l/ (human), ueshie-echurh /yʃə:etʃuɻ/ (animal)
--Artery ueshie-echulxhe /yʃə:etʃulxe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhxhe /yʃə:etʃuɻxe:/ (animal)
--Vein ueshie-echulqe /yʃə:etʃulqe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhqe /yʃə:etʃuɻqe:/ (animal)
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pujchul /puʒtʃu:l/ (human), pujchurh /puʒtʃu: ɻ/ (animal)
--Gristle or cartilage pubchul /pubtʃu:l/ (human), pubchurh /pubtʃu: ɻ/ (animal)
--Skin xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonynous with front side of body), xhuchurh /xutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Muscle euchul /eutʃu:l/ (human), euchurh /eutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Fat bee-chulu /bɛ:tʃulu:/ (human), bee-churhu /bɛ:tʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Blood ueshie /yʃə:/
-Trunk (torso) yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Chest yuyuchulu /jujutʃulu:/ (human), yuxhuchurhu /juxutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
---Heart ije /iʒe:/
---Lung hichul /hitʃu:l/ (human), hichurh /hitʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Abdomen or Belly zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as stomach), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as stomach)
---Stomach zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as abdomen and belly), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as abdomen and belly)
---Liver ueshie-juch /yʃə:ʒutʃ/
---Spleen tyueshie-juch /tjyʃə:ʒutʃ/
---Intestines lhunyejuch /ðˡunjeʒutʃ/
--Waist ungtudlu /uŋtudlu:/ (human), ungtudrhu /uŋtudɻu:/ (animal)
-Neck huzchul /huztʃu:l/ (human), huzchurh /huztʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-Extremity chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as limb and bodypart), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as limb and bodypart)
--Head chyuel /tʃjy:l/ (human), chyuerh /tʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)
---Hair bochyul /botʃju:l/ (human), borh /bo:ɻ/ (animal, actually fur)
---Ear su /su:/
----Earhole sujung-ie /suʒuŋə:/
----Earlobe zungsu /zuŋsu:
---Eye wu /wu:/
----Eyeball wubuzuytud /wubuzujtu:d/
-----Iris wu-wuech /wu:wytʃ/
-----Pupil wu-miewuech /wu:məwytʃ/
-----Sclera wu-fwueh /wu:fwyh/
----Eyebrow boywu /bojwu:/
----Eyelid wuyeung /wujeuŋ/
-----Eyelash bowu /bowu:/
----Eye socket wujung-iechyuel /wuʒuŋətʃjy:l/ (human), wujung-iechyuerh /wuʒuŋətʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)
----Tear gland -
---Nose nyu /nju:/
----Nostril nyujung-ie /njuʒuŋə:/
---Mouth znu /znu:/
----Jaw zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) yuzuchyul /juzutʃju:l/ (human), yuzuchyurh /juzutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Mandible (lower jaw) zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human, same as jaw), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal, same as jaw)
----Tooth poznu /poznu:/
-----Incisor poznuxhu /poznuxu:/
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth poznupú /poznupǔ:/
-----Molar poznutud /poznutu:d/ (both molar and premolar), qupoznutud /qupoznutu:d/ (molar only)
-----Premolar xhupoznutud /xupoznutu:d/
----Tongue nub /nub/
--Limb/bodypart chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as extremity), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as extremity)
---Arm zyux /zjuχ/
----Shoulder xa /χa:/
----Elbow jungzyux /ʒuŋzjuχ/
----Wrist xua /χua/
----Humerus (upper arm) yux /juχ/
----Lower Arm zux /zuχ/
----Hand xu /χu:/
-----Palm xuz /χuz/
---Leg zechul /zetʃu:l/ (human), zechurh /zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Hip azuchulu /azutʃulu:/ (human), azuchurhu /azutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
----Knee jungzechul /ʒuŋzetʃu:l/ (human), jungzechurh /ʒuŋzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Ankle chae-pyuzechul /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-pyuzechurh /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Thigh (upper leg) yuzechul /juzetʃu:l/ (human), yuzechurh /juzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Shin -
----Foot chae-zechul /tʃæ:zetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zechurh /tʃæ:zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Sole chae-zuzechul /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zuzechurh /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Heel chae-quzechul /tʃæ:quzetʃu:l (human), chae-quzechurh /tʃæ:quzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Ball -
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) chochulu /tʃotʃulu:/ (human), chochurhu /tʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal)
---Nail puchochulu /putʃotʃulu:/ (human); puchochurhu /putʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal, also means claw)
----Fingernail puchoxu /putʃoχu:/
----Toenail puchozechul /putʃozetʃu:l/ (human)
---Toe chozechul /tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), chozechurh /tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) ochozechul /otʃozetʃu:l/ (human), ochozechurh /otʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Pinky toe or little toe oe-chozechul /ø:tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), oe-chozechurh /ø:tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Second toe chozechulowu /tʃozetʃulowu:/ (human), chozechurhowu /tʃozetʃuɻowu:/ (animal)
----Third toe chozechuloqaxh /tʃozetʃuloqa:χ/ (human), chozechurhoqaxh /tʃozetʃuɻoqa:χ/ (animal)
----Fourth toe chozechulo-rhuength /tʃozetʃulo:ɻyŋθ/ (human), chozechurho-rhuength /tʃozetʃuɻo:ɻyŋθ/ (animal)
---Thumb choxutud /tʃoχutu:d/ (human), choxu-oeue /tʃoχu:øy/ (animal)
----Thumbnail puchoxutud /putʃoχutu:d/
---Finger choxu /tʃoχu:/
----Index finger choxuowu /tʃoχuowu:/
----Pinky finger oe-choxu /ø:tʃoχu:/
----Middle finger choxuoqaxh /tʃoχuoqa:x/
----Ring finger choxuo-rhuength /tʃoχuoɻyŋθ/
--genitalia vichul /vitʃu:l/ (human), vichurh /vitʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
---female ci /ɕi:/
----vagina ciljung-ie /ɕilʒuŋə:/ (human), cirhjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋə:/ (animal)
----womb iájung-ie /iǎ:ʒuŋə:/
---male ri /ri:/
----penis vichri /vitʃri:/
----testicle buzuytudri /buzujtudri:/
-Side tud /tu:d/
--Back quchul /qutʃu:l/ (human), yuchurh /jutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Front xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonymous with skin), zuchurh /zutʃu:ɻ/ (animal, actually underside)
--Left tu /tu:/
--Right du /du:/
--Lower zuchulu (human) /zutʃulu:/, quchurhu /qutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Upper yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human, same as torso), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as torso)
-Orifices chulujung-ie /tʃuluʒuŋə:/ (human), churhujung-ie /tʃuɻuʒuŋə:/ (animal)
--anus jung-ieqae /ʒuŋəqæ:/
--urethral meatus vichrijung-ie /vitʃriʒuŋə:/ (male), ciljungjung-ie /ɕilʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (human, female) cirhjungjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (animal, female)

Heh! This is probably the only language that has three words for urethral meatus.

But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?
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Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a fully developed conlang with nearly as much /u/ as that. Is it because you just like /u/ or did you do it to set this language apart from others in your conworld?
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Heh! I didn't intend it to become so common from the beginning. In Lhueslue every phoneme bears a meaning and /u/ means material. As it happened, almost every noun gets an /u/.
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Thanks, Qwynegold.
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If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum?
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Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here. Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe. But the way it is now; nah.
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Thanks, Qwynegold.
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If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum?

Your welcome. Oh, and I had some questions too:
Qwynegold wrote:
But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?

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But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understand the picture.
Tears are the watery, salty secretion that keeps the eyes moist. The bulk of the refracting of light during focussing is done by a thin veil of tears; the lens just fine-tunes it. Tears also contain protein (and FAIK other biological ingredients); that is why it is necessary to clean contact lenses once a day.
When the eye is irritated the production and flow of tears is increased, to the point that they leak out of the eye; the usual result is to wash out whatever is irritating the eye. When someone weeps, they often over-produce tears this same way.
Tear-glands (aka lacrimal glands) are in the upper outer corners of the eyes. In the lower inner corners of the eyes are ducts that ordinarily take tears down into the nose; if the tear-glands aren't overproducing, this is where tears usually are disposed of.

Qwynegold wrote:
And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?
Just think either "bottom of body" and "top of body", or "lower half of body" and "upper half of body". If you want two pairs of terms, go ahead and provide both. Otherwise take your pick.

aardwolf wrote:
Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here.

If more people responded to the following questions, would it?

I wrote:
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

aardwolf wrote:
Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe.
Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?
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OK, I added upper and lower body to my post. I guess my conlang won't have a word for tear gland since it's something you can't see so the conpeople wouldn't know about it.
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:01 am Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
aardwolf wrote:
Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe.
Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?

I think you'd need things like discussion of (systematic) cultural associations (e.g. your original questions about the seat of emotion, etc.), strong cross-linguistic tendencies (always distinguishing certain body parts or not, words for the genitals being taboo/impolite), and derivation (e.g. how my conlang Old Gzho uses the same word for "arm" and "hand", but can also refer to the arm as the "hand-neck"). Also usage of body part terms for other things, i.e. verbal affixes, locative/directional expressions, etc. And investigating how changes to body structure would affect language, e.g. having no lips wouldn't just mean a lack of labial consonants - you also wouldn't be able to produce rounded vowels, which could have a big affect on the vowel inventory.
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I'm glad this thread is still around--I was thinking I might have to rederive all the Sdannískr body words, which would be irritating (and time-consuming, for that matter). I think this thread has just increased my new lexicon by half, or just about.
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I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.
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guitarplayer wrote:
I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.

Which items did you add? I'm pretty sure I included, or added, some of those; tear gland, upper and lower jaw, thigh, shin, two of the toes and "other individual toes?", and each of the fingers. I'm not sure what a shank is. I didn't include the calf, I don't think; I guess I should. I included the hips; I didn't distinguish the buttocks from the hips. I didn't get into internal organs that a layman couldn't tell were there and doing things without opening up the body; so that's why I left out the ovaries and the prostate, though I include the womb and the testes.

My last update on that was July 15 on Page 4.
TomHChappell wrote:
So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list?
uvula
philtrum
artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart)
vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart)
portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart)
brain
back of the neck
front of the neck
back of the head
forehead
wisdom tooth
canthus
clitoris
breast
buttock
butt
skull
placenta

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I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: Body parts

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My small dictionary has some basic body parts but nothing specific like artery.

ANKLE = TĀMA
ARM = RŌTA
BLOOD = PĀTA
CHEST = ShŌMĀ
ELBOW = JeĪTŌ

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guitarplayer wrote:
I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually :P
I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.
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TomHChappell wrote:
I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.

Ah, I see.

[edit] My list, so far [/edit]
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guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.
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TomHChappell wrote:
guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.

I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page.

*is puzzled*
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Rodlox wrote:
TomHChappell wrote:
guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.
I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page. *is puzzled*
If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to.
That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?
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TomHChappell wrote:
If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to.
That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?

I guess that my host doesn't allow direct linking to files other than HTML, just like Geocities. So much for free hosting.
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TomHChappell wrote:

That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?

not yet - *goes to try it*

thanks.
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I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:

For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use. Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.

People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. (I am thinking of Ilaksh in particular. How about it JQP? )
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What a smart idea!
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simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

simon.clarkstone wrote:
For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use.
For humans I don't believe more than 16 compass points in a plane are natural.
For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

simon.clarkstone wrote:
Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.
Are your Kigdatsi human?

simon.clarkstone wrote:
People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ...
Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker.
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Hel·lerà / Helleran

Body tol, estou

Blood guès
Blood vessel cabinyol guesetz “blood vessel”
Artery maxarva
Vein ôued

Bone tot
Cartilage martel•let
Skeleton gargamol, gaugamol

Skin fiu
Muscle rambe
Fat (corporal) lhud
Tendon tirant

Head pot, tuc, tuys, syet, arsyet (m), tuche, tutze (f)
Hair togès
Hair (a fiber) bli
Skull golag (m/f)
cranium raz
Neck lleg, nyoc

Ear onze, osye, oge
Earhole bosit na s’onze “hole of the ear”
Earlobe lhob na s’onze “lobe of the ear”

Eye oc, oig, uoc
Iris gavi
Pupil chelandé
Sclera bel na s’oc “white of the eye”; cýncolis (neolog)
Eyebrow tirse
Eyelid pedillou
Eyelash goume
Eye socket bou na s’oc “socket of the eye”
Tear gland dragole

Nose per
Nostril bosit nas per “hole of the nose”

Mouth tamà
Cheek guys
Jaw radagame (sg) or radagames (pl)
Maxilla (upper jaw) berosti
Mandible (lower jaw) carmazzi
Tooth gam
Incisor cartalh, gartalh “central incisor”; cartalet, gortalet “lateral incisor”
Eyetooth or Canine tooth anhac
Molar cheral “molar, second molar”; cheraló “first molar”
Tongue lheme. But "language, idiom" is lhambe
Lip jami

Trunk bros
Chest tor
Abdomen mablada
Belly beli
Lower abdomen naig beli “lower belly”; sabel

Heart lhò
Lung beloi
Stomach mansaghe
Liver sagé
Spleen vèdem
Intestines ganyalons (pl.)

Extremity, limb estighiu; espadelhe

Waist caradanç
Pelvis cadanche or tot nas caradanç “bone of the waist”
Buttock dabons (pl.) / dabó, bono and guys nas sat “cheek of the butt”
Bum, arse, butt sat
Hip bemuc
Leg (from hip to ankle) gambe
Thigh (upper leg, from hip to knee) gamays
Knee golde
Kneecap, patella gavanhol
Shank (lower leg, from knee to ankle) garme
Shin astanye
Calf tonsim na s’astanye “doughy part of the shin”
Ankle poghet
Foot pedh, madà
Heel garou
Sole mad

Shoulder espambelh (traditional), espemble (neolog)
Arm (from shoulder to wrist) ram
Arm (from shoulder to elbow) ramec
Elbow ajoc
Arm (from elbow to wrist) ramell
Wrist arbou
Hand badh
Palm pançou

Digit gartembi, cartempe (neolog)
Finger, toe ghez (traditional)
Toe (foot digit) ghez nas pedh “finger of the foot”
Finger (hand digit) ghez nas badh “finger of the hand”
Ball tonsim nas ghez “doughy part of the finger”
Thumb tigarembi, tigampó, garampó
Index finger ghez casarteu “managing/governative/guiding finger”
Middle finger ghez perís “middle finger”
Ring finger ghez nigançant “dependent finger”
Little finger ghez polzuc “small finger”

Genitalia zinyaroncs
Vagina begane
Womb gameu
Penis gozzi (traditional); felghe (neolog)
Testicle galló
Anus guada
Urethral meatus dragavàrie

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Does Helleran use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).

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Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of life?

Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of emotion?

The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of consciousness?

The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body.
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TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

North
North-one-quarter-east
North-by-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-north
North-north-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-east
North-east-by-north
North-east-one-quarter-north
North-east
&c
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Rav Shimon wrote:

North
North-one-quarter-east
North-by-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-north
North-north-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-east
North-east-by-north
North-east-one-quarter-north
North-east
&c

Hmm. I thought halfway between North and North-by-East was "North-a-half-East" rather than "North-a-quarter-East". And so on. You are making the (N,S,E,W,NE,NW,SE,SW)-by-(N,S,E,W) be half-points instead of points.
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North, north-north-east, north-east &c are the sixteen primary points of a compass. Halfway between north and north-north-east is north-by-east (that is, the next half-point east of north), and half of that (half of half being a quarter) is north-one-qaurter-east (said point being one quarter of the way from north to the next point in an easterly direction).
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TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points.
I could have been wrong about that, but the details don't matter here.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use.
For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

The system would necessarily be as irregular and wonky as the body is. Fortunately, their limbs all have the same basic structure, so analogising could reduce the set of needed roots. (It is not the same as the pentadactyl limb system.)

TBH I am not sure how I will actually do this, or how similar to the compass system it would actually be, though cylindrical co-ordinates look promising. I mean that (e.g.) there would be no root for "elbow", but something derived from "wrist" and "shoulder". And "knee" and one of the wing-joints would be the same word, with just one part changed because they are on different limbs. Or you could refer to (e.g.) "the bottom half of the upper-right quadrant of your back" in a simple way.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.
Are your Kigdatsi human?
No. They are not even evolved, but designed. This makes them odd in many ways, though mostly good ones. It also means I will need terms for secondary brains, telekinesis organs, etc.

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simon.clarkstone wrote:
People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ...
Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker.
Nice. Not available for inter-conworld cooperation over at conworlds.info are you?
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I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
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Izo wrote:
Hel·lerà / Helleran
---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks.
Izo wrote:
....Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).
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Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.
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Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.
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The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.
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The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body.
I found these especially interesting.

Zoris wrote:
I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?
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TomHChappell wrote:
Izo wrote:
Hel·lerà / Helleran
---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks.
Izo wrote:
[...]
I found these especially interesting.

Thanks to you!

TomHChappell wrote:
Zoris wrote:
I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?

Why not? I included it in the expansion of the Helleran Lexicon of Human Anatomy, which I will post in this thread as soon as I complete it (what I included on my last post was based on your list): it will include more organs, bodyparts and substances, including the names for all human bones and muscles, and a deep view of every major organ system.

The list, as I will show it, represents the medical knowledge of human anatomy as it was in the time where my novels take place.
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imbecilica
Mey

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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:

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UROBASICAN

Body Corpo
-Blood vessel Vessilo de Sango
--Artery Arterio
--Vein Veîno
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Oso
--Cartilage Cartilagio
--Skin Pelo
--Muscle Musclo
--Fat Lipido
--Blood Sango
-Trunk (torso) Trongo/Torso
--Chest Caffro
---Heart Coro
---Lung Pomeno
--Abdomen or Belly Abdomeno
---Stomach Estomaco
---Liver Fusjo
---Spleen Kescauro
---Intestines Intesnós
--Waist Dasrão
-Neck Collo
-Extremity
--Head Testo
---Hair Cavero
---Ear Orelo
----Earhole Casemo d'Orelo
----Earlobe? Lûbe
---Eye Optro
----Eyeball Globo d'Optro
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupiro
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Sobbrio
----Eyelid Pardigo
-----Eyelash Cyliu
----Eye socket Domecco d'Optro
----Tear gland Glando dè Plurós
---Nose Neso
----Nostril Nestrilo
---Mouth Boco
----Jaw Macco
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandiblo
----Tooth Dento
-----Incisor Incisèro
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Primca dento
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molaro
----Tongue Languo
--Limb Omembrio
---Arm Ièbro
----Shoulder Costrio
----Elbow Vikastrio
----Wrist Pristão
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus
----Lower Arm L'ièbro surina
----Hand Maño
-----Palm Paumo
---Leg J'azabo
----Hip Fahjo
-----buttock Destro
----Knee Noremo
----Ankle Cavliniro
----Thigh (upper leg) Ecaustro
----Shank Shánk
-----Shin Shimno
-----Calf Vecravo
----Foot Pedio
-----Sole Sôle
-----Heel Talono
-----Ball Balo
--Digit Dijéto
---Nail Otrís
----Fingernail Otrís de Dijéto
----Toenail Otrís de Puçavo
---Toe Puçavo
----Pollex Pollexo
----Pinky toe or little toe Granda Puçavo
----Other individual toes? None
---Thumb Puço
----Thumbnail Otrís de Puço
---Finger Dijéto
----Index finger Dijéto Indexo
----Pinky finger Dijéto Pestanda
----Middle finger Dijéto Midiena
----Ring finger Dijéto d'Annilo
---female femaraia
----vagina vajno
----womb utero
---male maraia
----penis peneso/penetraso/pestaso
----testicle testicuro
-Side Visjeiro
--Back Destra
--Front Avastra
--Left Gosca
--Right Diréjito
--Bottom (lower) Subina
--Top (upper) Surina
-Orifices Orifiçós
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject:

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Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):

My apologies, this was a neat table

In, inside of - Tendet (heart) /ˈtɛndət/
Out, outside of - Twizo (shell, skull) /ˈtwizoʊ/
Around (static) - Natan (skin, bark) /natɔn/
Through (static) - Ped (stick, rod) /pɛd/
On top of, Over (static) - Miye (hair) /ˈmijə/
Above, Over (static) - Aol (cloud) /ɔβ̞͡ɫ/
Underneath - Bundu (underside) /ˈbɵndʊw/
Below - Neeza (grass) /ˈniza/
Beside, Next to - Stabed (arm) /ˈstabəd/
In front of - Danćod (chest) /ˈdɔntɕɔd/
Behind - Kee (back) /k͜xi/
At (in a place; at a moment) - Se /sə/
Over (dynamic) - Meyl (wing) /ˈmɛil/
Under, Before - Asper (water) /ˈaspər/
Through (dynamic), During, While being in - Ense (spear) /ˈɛnsə/
Past, After - Huś (wind) /hʊɕ/
From elsewhere towards here - Sitei (source of river) /ˈsiti/
Towards a specific location Ula (gaze) /ˈʊla/
Away from here - Pridas (buttocks) /ˈpridas/
Alongside - Dedomheyet (lover, lit hand-holder) /dədɔˈmejət/ < relatively recent addition to the pronoun list, con-historically
Off - Away, from touching - Donin (fall) /ˈdɔnɘn/
Into (place, area, state) - Raowemelek (field of view) /rɔwəˈmeilək/ (always makes me think 'raw milk')
Out of (place, area, state) - Meśa (leaf bud) /ˈmeiɕa/
Around (dynamic) - Malman (orbit) /ˈmɔlmɔn/, dynamic form of /ˈmɔlma/, hug
Moving around the inside of area or place - Sefse (sniff around) /ˈsɛfsə/

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And no, this is not a confusing system. Talanese requires articles for nouns pretty much all the time (because nouns themselves don't inflect much), and of course prepositions don't have articles. It all came to me when I was reading a rather interesting text that had something to do with perception of time, progress and motion in Mediaeval paintings in the library. Actually, my whole TAM system is built upon inspiration drawn from that!
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As for the body parts list, well... I haven't filled out much, yet, because I've chosen to do it elaborately. I have more words for body parts than there are on this list, but I just haven't reached them yet while filling it out!

Thanks for providing it, though.
Here's what I have so far (.htm converted from .doc) http://www.by002.net/~neuteboo/bodyparts.htm

I'll get there... some time!

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This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise!
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Izo
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:39 am Post subject:

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Soap wrote:
This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise!

Two weeks ago I saw it was close of being pruned and I thought of posting here to retain it, but finally I forgot to do it... . Luckily I'm not the only one that will post soon here!
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TomHChappell
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Might it be a good idea to move this list to someplace it won't expire from, like a wiki? Maybe KneeQuickie? Or frathwiki? Or Chris Bates's linguistics wiki? Or the Conlang Wikia?
Or even L&L Museum?
I can move it to KneeQuickie, I think. I probably need Neek's permission first. Same with the others; maybe I can do it, but I probably need the owners' permission.
But I can't move it to the Museum.

dinnae wrote:
Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):
Hey, that's neat! Thanks.
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Quote:
I probably need Neek's permission first.
The KQ is down right now and Neek's doing basic training so he probably wont be able to fix it anytime soon. Nevertheless, I think that in the long term that or some other wiki might be a good idea.

Edit: the KQ is back; it looks like he has monthly bandwidth caps, and he exceeded it in April, but it's back now that it's May.
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Location: USA
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Here's some of the body parts that I have in Danšlağ. I haven't really gotten specific with them, although I have got the "main" ones.

body- ri
nose- nopu
ear- yakušu
mouth- slata
eye- aslo
tongue- zabu
teeth- clač
tonsils- kakraku
neck- uxač
hair- skoru
head- baru
shoulder- tuŵ
arm- cura
hand- ğeš
finger- baklaŵer
fingernail- baklaŵeruka
thumb- kuku
chest- orka
breast- ğuš
stomach- iču
lungs- abačeraku
leg- laŵe
ankle- etai
foot- teš
toe- kuklaŵer
toenail- kaklaŵeruka
genital- irosi
penis- bamu
vagina- omaru

That's pretty much all I have so far. I'm sure I'll add more after reading this, though.
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Mecislau
Šalea

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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject:

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Novegradian:

Body тѣло tiě́lo
-Blood vessel кревоносита жила krevonósita žíla (lit. "blood-carrying vessel")
--Artery артеря artiéria
--Vein вена véna
-Material of which it is composed матеряљ зе котраево состаулене materiáł ze kotrájevo sostáulene
--Bone кости kósti
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) хреце hréce
--Skin плоти plóti
--Muscle мишка míška
--Fat туке túke
--Blood крев krév
-Trunk (torso) торсе tórse
--Chest грандина дантина grándina dántina (lit. "breast cavity")
---Heart серце siérce
---Lung плуце plúce
--Abdomen or Belly желудок želudók (not distinguished from "stomach")
---Stomach желудок želudók
---Liver етро iétro
---Spleen слезени sleziéni
---Intestines есто iésto
--Waist таля tália
-Neck шия šíja
-Extremity концина kóncina
--Head глава gláva
---Hair власи vlási
---Ear оху óhu
----Earhole ---
----Earlobe? ---
---Eye око óko
----Eyeball оцное яблоко ócnoje iábloko (lit. "eye apple")
-----Iris оцное кољце ócnoje kołcé (lit. "eye ring")
-----Pupil оцней дѣде ócnej dědié (lit. "eye child")
-----Sclera бѣлое око bě́loje óko (lit. "white eye")
----Eyebrow брев brév
----Eyelid вѣко vě́ko
-----Eyelash ресница résnica or ресна résna
----Eye socket оцней доље ócnej dółe (lit. "eye pit")
----Tear gland слезная жлеза sléznaja žlezá
---Nose носе nóse
----Nostril носдера nosderá
---Mouth роте róte
----Jaw целусти célusti
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) верхеная целусти verhénaja célusti (lit. "upper jaw")
-----Mandible (lower jaw) нижная целусти nížnaja célusti (lit. "lower jaw")
----Tooth забе zábe
-----Incisor предней забе prédnej zábe (lit. "foretooth")
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth коле kóle
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) глауней забе gláunej zábe (lit. "headtooth")
----Tongue лизике lizíke
--Limb концина kóncina (not distinguished from "extremity")
---Arm рока róka (not distinguished from "hand")
----Shoulder плеѕо pledzó (not distinguished from "upper arm")
----Elbow лакоти lákoti
----Wrist подруцие podrucjé (lit. "beneath the hand")
----Humerus (upper arm) плеѕо pledzó (common usage, not distinguished from "shoulder") or надлакоцие nadlakocjé (lit. "above the elbow", in medical usage)
----Lower Arm предлакоцие predlakocjé (largely medical usage)
----Hand рока róka (not distinguished from "arm")
-----Palm длани dláni
---Leg нога nogá (not distinguished from "foot")
----Hip ланцо lancó
-----buttock (if different) заде záde (lit. "rear, behind")
----Knee колѣно kolě́no
----Ankle глезне glézne
----Thigh (upper leg) бедро bedró
----Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle) голени goléni (not distinguished from "shin")
-----Shin голени goléni (not distinguished from "shank")
-----Calf лиска líska
----Foot нога nogá (common usage, not distinguished from "leg") or пѣхе pě́he (largely medical usage)
-----Sole позпѣшие pozpěšjé (lit. "under the foot")
-----Heel пида pidá
-----Ball ---
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) порсте pórste
---Nail ноготи nógoti
----Fingernail ноготи рокѣ nógoti rókě (lit. "nail on the hand")
----Toenail ноготи ногѣ nógoti nogiě́ (lit. "nail on the foot")
---Toe порсте на ногѣ pórste nogiě́ (lit. "digit on the foot")
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) палоке ногѣ páloke nogiě́ (lit. "thumb on the foot")
----Pinky toe or little toe вейка ногѣ véjka nogiě́ (lit. "little digit on the foot")
----Other individual toes? -just find the equivalent finger name and add ногѣ; each finger name can refer to either the finger or the equivalent toe, though in common usage it is generally assumed that the hand is meant unless otherwise specified or context makes it clear
---Thumb палоке páloke
----Thumbnail ноготи палокѣ nógoti pálokě (lit. "nail on the thumb")
---Finger порсте pórste (like the individual fingers and toes, this term can refer to either a finger or toe in general, but by default is assumed to refer to the fingers)
----Index finger предовоке predovóke (lit. "the front one")
----Pinky finger вейка véjka (lit. "little twig")
----Middle finger срединоке sredinóke (lit. "the middle one")
----Ring finger безимѣнноке beziměnnóke (lit. "the unnamed one", a name you see in Russian and several Uralic languages)
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! плодовии plodóviji (lit. "[organs for] producing offspring")
---female женески плодовии žéneski plodóviji
----vagina туло túlo
----womb трево trévo
---male мужески плодовии múžeski plodóviji
----penis шлене šléne (lit. "member")
----testicle яйѕок iajdzók (lit. "little egg")
-Side страна straná
--Back заде záde (for the back part of the body) or спина spína (for the actual back/spine)
--Front преде préde
--Left лѣво lě́vo
--Right право právo
--Bottom (lower) низе níze
--Top (upper) верхе vérhe
-Orifices отуоре ótuore
--anus задней отуоре zádnej ótuore (lit. "rear orifice")
--urethral meatus? --

Misc:
--lap љону łónu
--kidney нерка niérka
--bladder пуғири puğíri (lit. "bubble")
--brain мозгѣ mozgiě́
--lip осту óstu
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What are the names of the days, months, weeks, ect in your conlang? Have you developed a special "ConCalendar"?

I will post my zzarnildarciz calendar, complete with the names of the months, days, festivals, ect ect soon, (But Im currently late for a rock show I'm playing at, so I'll post these later).

Tom Chappel (sp?) suggested this post be created.

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http://www.geocities.com/zarathustra47/Atragam/PACalendar.html
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What a great calendar! I like your website. I enjoyed reading about how they use 366 days in a year, and subtract.

Here is the Zzarnildarciz Calendar:

The Zzarnildarciz calendar is an observation based solar calendar that begins whenever the spring equinox occurs. It's very accurate, but difficult to predict when leap days occur.

The Zzarnildarciz year has 365 days, or 366 days on leap year. Leap years happen whenever the spring equinox occurs after noon. The 365 days are divided into 15 months of 24 days, and five extra festival days, including new years day. Each month contains eight weeks of 3 days each.

Names of the months:

RROIVcav-cal
MATTha-cav-cal
ZAELPna-cav-cal
TOORZcav-cal
ADvaid-na-cav-cal
TCCICvoitt-cav-cal
zaic-loMARflid-cav-ca
BONharm-cav-cal
ROCloi-cav-cal
MIPtzoo-cav-cal
fpailNORcav-cal
DDARLcav-cal
aeczNILcav-cal
TIRmadcc-cav-cal
VADnlairttd-cav-cal

Word for Week: orlzLAC (Means literally "A group of Days").

Days of the week:
TTAELbain
ANTi-clivc
ZINaih-glidd (People get off work on this day)
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Calendar

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leonsherlock wrote:

What are the names of the days, months, weeks, etc in your conlang? Have you developed a special "ConCalendar"?

I haven't created the actual names yet, sorry.
My conculture's calendar is lunisolar.
They have a cycle consisting of 57 years = 705 months = 20819 days.
Most months (374 out of each 705) are 30 days long, but some months (331 out of each 705) are 29 days long.
Most years (twelve out of each nineteen) are twelve months long, but some years (seven out of each nineteen) are thirteen months long.
(19 years = 235 months.)
(Two of the 19-year, 235-month thirds of each 57-year, 705-month cycle are 6940 days long; the other one is 6939 days long. The two longer thirds will have 125 30-day months and 110 29-day months; the shorter third will have 124 30-day months and 111 29-day months.)
So a twelve-month year is usually 354 days long but may be 355 days long; and a thirteen-month year is usually 384 days long but may be 383 days long.
It's going to be complicated. I meant it to be. But I expect it to turn out a little less complicated than it looks from this description.
They may not have "weeks" at all; if not, of course they won't have names for days of the week.
But they'll probably have names for years.
I'm thinking maybe 19 names for year-of-the-cycle, 13 names for month-of-the-year, and 30 names for day-of-the-month.

leonsherlock wrote:

I will post my zzarnildarciz calendar, complete with the names of the months, days, festivals, etc etc soon,

I look forward to it.

leonsherlock wrote:

(But I'm currently late for a rock show I'm playing at, so I'll post these later).

How'd it go? What music did you play? What instrument(s) do you play, and/or what part do you sing?

leonsherlock wrote:

Tom Chappell (sp?) suggested this post be created.

And I'm very glad you did, thank you.
I look forward to other people's contributions too.

leonsherlock wrote:

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(two 's and two <l>'s.)

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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject:

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In Arta, the only thing like here are the seconds. Every other thing is different.

(E) means Earth, (A) means Arta.

Code:

1 min (E) = 60 s
1 min (A) = 50 s

1 hour (E) = 60 min (E) = 3600 s
1 hour (A) = 50 min (A) = 2500 s

1 day (E) = 24 hour (E) = 1440 min (E) = 86400 s
1 day (A) = 20 hour (A) = 1000 min (A) = 50000 s

1 year (E) = 365 day (E) + 6 hour (E) = 8766 hour (E) = 525960 min (E) = 31557600 s
1 year (A) = 768 day (A) + 4 hour (A) = 15364 hour (A) = 768200 min (A) = 38410000 s

I'll post the months soon.
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Goza Lesha
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For Vinawasho, hours are the same length on both planets:
Code:
(E) 1 min = 60s
(V) 1 min = 30 s

(E) 1 hour = 60 min = 3600 s
(V) 1 hour = 30 min = 900 s

(E) 1 day = 24 hours = 1440 min = 86400 s
(V) 1 day = 30 hours = 900 min = 27000 s

(E) 1 week = 7 days = 168 hours = 10080 min = 604800 s
(V) 1 week = 8 days =240 hours = 7200 min = 216000 s

(E) 1 year = 52 weeks (+ 1 day) = 365 days (+ 6 hours) = 8766 hours = 525960 min = 31557600 s
(V) 1 year = 48 weeks = 384 days (+ 1 hour) = 11521 hours = 345630 min = 10368900 s

When a leap year comes around, the extra day is added to the end of the 1st month, forming a 9 day long week.

I don't have names for any of them yet.

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TomHChappell wrote:
leonsherlock wrote:
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(But I'm currently late for a rock show I'm playing at, so I'll post these later).

How'd it go? What music did you play? What instrument(s) do you play, and/or what part do you sing?

I play drumset. Ive been playing for 9 years. I consider myself pretty good. I specialize in jazz and rock, but enjoy playing all styles. I also play the electric kazoo, simultenously with the drums, by mounting it on a harmonica holder.

Are you a musician as well?
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Goza Lesha wrote:
For Vinawasho, hours are the same length on both planets:
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(E) 1 min = 60s
(V) 1 min = 30 s

(E) 1 hour = 60 min = 3600 s
(V) 1 hour = 30 min = 900 s

(E) 1 day = 24 hours = 1440 min = 86400 s
(V) 1 day = 30 hours = 900 min = 27000 s

(E) 1 week = 7 days = 168 hours = 10080 min = 604800 s
(V) 1 week = 8 days =240 hours = 7200 min = 216000 s

(E) 1 year = 52 weeks (+ 1 day) = 365 days (+ 6 hours) = 8766 hours = 525960 min = 31557600 s
(V) 1 year = 48 weeks = 384 days (+ 1 hour) = 11521 hours = 345630 min = 10368900 s

When a leap year comes around, the extra day is added to the end of the 1st month, forming a 9 day long week.

I don't have names for any of them yet.

Hey, what an original way of showing times in your conworld
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The months of the Earth (Tera):

??? — But I'd be very thankful if somebody could give the etymologies of January, February, April, May and June from Latin. I know that January comes from the Roman god Ianus — he's the equivalent of Chronos, isn't he?

The days of the week of the Earth (Tera):

Monday — Bahis Kolunena (Moon/Luna)
Tuesday — Bahis Kayanena (War < Tiu/Mars)
Wednesday — Bahis Bihanrengena (Middle of the Week)
Thursday — Bahis Rugonena (Thunder < Donar/Þor/Iuppiter?)
Friday — Bahis Tyānena (Love < Frigga/Venus)
Saturday — Bahis Kadanoena (Harvest < Saturnus)
Sunday — Bahis Perinena (Sun)

The months of Areka:

I — Talbang
II — Nankyu
III — Sirpang
IV — Limbuy
V — Dalming
VI — Tuvoang
VII — Sanam
VIII — Kardaying
IX — Nonamay
X — Dirlem
XI — Tayamang
XII — Yangtim
XIII — Lahang
XIV — Ihaloy
XV — Sintung
XVI — Rayam
XVII — Tyemuyang
XVIII — Pihaling
XIX — Ravikan

All of these have 24 days, making up a year of 456 days.

The days of the week of Areka:

Bahis Pinena (Sun)
Bahis Venena (Wind)
Bahis Palayena (Joy)
Bahis Siruena (Stars)
Bahis Tingraena (Music)
Bahis Tenena (Life, Soul)
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Calendar

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leonsherlock wrote:
What are the names of the days, months, weeks, ect in your conlang? Have you developed a special "ConCalendar"?

I will post my zzarnildarciz calendar, complete with the names of the months, days, festivals, ect ect soon, (But Im currently late for a rock show I'm playing at, so I'll post these later).

Tom Chappel (sp?) suggested this post be created.

There is not much of a calender I can make when the orbit is a whopping 15 1/2 days..lol

the "time" category or keeping track of time deals with biological items, and so it's relative generally
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15.5 days... lol
Does this mean the planet is really close to it's star? Does that mean it's really hot?
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leonsherlock wrote:
15.5 days... lol
Does this mean the planet is really close to it's star? Does that mean it's really hot?

the star is an MV5, pretty much like Proxima Centauri, so it's a very cool little red star...and so yeah, it really close in..lol
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seeing as my conworld isn't a world, but the small illuminated section of the infinitely sized skin of the universe, it's really hard to think in terms of we're used to. the measure of time, a "minute" so to say, the time it takes the beam from the Lighthouse Palace to rotate one degree, ançawwè. so there are 360 ançawwè in a "day" ançà, and 1000 ançà in a "year" or "cycle" bactà

the Yionyooxscer and Esstam use a religious calendar and a business calendar that divide the bactà differently. i'll repost when i finish both. mostly it's like the mayan calendar, and has been used to predict events untill the end of time. the Aa'aan Church and the Theitspund use different calendars as well, but not as sophisticated.
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I've forgotten most of what goes on in my calendar. It was the most detailed conthing I ever did, though. It's all in a spreadsheet somewhere at home.

I will say what I can remember off the top of my head, though...

um.. there's 489 days of the year; 12 months (though I've been thinking about changing this to match my moons a bit better) with days in the pattern 41-41-41-40-41-41-41-40-41-41-41-40. There's two leap years every five years, on the 2nd and 5th year of each cycle, on a different one of the 40-length months, and there's a special leap year every 160 years (next one's in 2017, I think).

489 days there is equivalent to 471 (IIRC) days here, so their days are shorter by about 51 minutes (IIRC).

The days are broken up into four quarters, morning/afternoon/evening/night, each of which is 6 earth-hours long, and each is broken into 16 "hours" (equiv. 22.5 earth-minutes each), each into 18 "minutes" (equiv 1.5 earth-minutes each), and each of those into 30 "seconds" (equiv 2.5 earth-seconds each). It should be noted that while it's equivalent to 2.5 earth-seconds, you also have to factor in that the day is slightly shorter overall.

What else? Um... the week of 8 days is based on the cycle of the largest moon, which repeats every 8 days. You get the New Moon day off work, and most places give the day or two days beforehand as well.

Oh, and it was new year around a month ago, on 23rd September; it's just turned 1112 K.Z. (though I'm not sure what that stands for yet, I just like it...). So a belated happy new year to all!

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Shigeru wrote:
seeing as my conworld isn't a world, but the small illuminated section of the infinitely sized skin of the universe, it's really hard to think in terms of we're used to. the measure of time, a "minute" so to say, the time it takes the beam from the Lighthouse Palace to rotate one degree, ançawwè. so there are 360 ançawwè in a "day" ançà, and 1000 ançà in a "year" or "cycle" bactà
This sounds like my kind of conworld! Do you have a website describing any of it?
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Calendar

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leonsherlock wrote:
What are the names of the days, months, weeks, ect in your conlang? Have you developed a special "ConCalendar"?
The Kigdatsi use the simplest possible calendar: counting from a particular point. They count in units of the Planck time since some point I haven't decided, but which is in our late 19th century, and is the instant of their creation (by the humans in their sub-universe). 1 Planck time (the shortest physically meaningful period of time) is a rather inconvinient 5.39121E-44s, so they will often work in units of 60^24 Planck times, about 1/4 of a second to us.
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The planet Ti Mahtinqmin, or better Hpimahttan IV, takes 24.98 Earth hours to complete 1 full revolution on its axis. To complete a full orbit around its host star, it takes approximately 466 days (465.98 if you want to fuss).

There are plenty of ways to count, though the most common (and thusly most pertinent) is the Qmuning reckoning (as they reckoned a lot).

First we must understand how the year is divided. The year is split into 4 parts coinciding with the 4 seasons. Each seasons takes approximately 116.5 days). The year is generally called a Qaqum, or a Span of 4 (seasons, or qate). Each season is named after one of the four stages of life, and starts with Fall:

I. Ahkninq, Birth (lit., Birth) :: Fall.
II. Hsamqoninq, Child (lit., Sees-not (the path)) :: Winter.
III. Tqasninq, Adult (lit., Walks (the path)) :: Spring.
IV. Qmunninq (lit., Ascends (the path)) :: Summer.

(The words listed here are generally classifiers used in modern context, in reality, these were featured in finite phrases, that is the first day of the year would be refered to as, "When the year was born," or when referencing the III month, "When the year walks.")

Each season can be further subdivided into 16 smaller spans, refered to as Hsepqum, or Spans of 7 (days, or o). Not each Hsepqum, though, is seven days long. Four Hsepqum have 8 days (the last Hsepqum of the Qate), while one (the first Hsepqum) have 9. Each Hsepqum can be numbered IV to I, where the IV is the first Hsepqum. Oftentimes, however, these are named. The function of an individual calendar generally dictates the name of each month; furthermore, the names of some are more

Similar to Roman calendars, the month is not dated from the day it starts and counts up until it reaches the end. Rather, there are three days out of the month that are named, while the rest are counted from the close of the month.

The first day of the Hsepqum is called the Ahko, or Initial-Day. The day before the last of the month is called Qmunemo, or the Day Near the Ascent. The last day is called the Qmuno, or Day of the Ascent. The other days of the Hsepqum are refered to as E Qmuno and the number, or x from the Ascent So, the first Hsepqum would be:

Code:
(This list also features modern names, transliterated from Hanáwenzo)
(Ahkninq) Ahko (Axníngu so) Áxu
E Qmuno VIII Kúno á VIII
E Qmuno VII Kúno á VII
E Qmuno VI Kúno á VI
E Qmuno V Kúno á V
E Qmuno IV Kúno á IV
E Qmuno III Kúno á III
Qmunemo Kúnemu
Qmuno Kúnu

* I don't have the numbers yet, I'm sorry

There'll be more about this later!
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simon.clarkstone wrote:
This sounds like my kind of conworld! Do you have a website describing any of it?

unfortunantly, i lack the funds to run a website. but i will get around to posting all my conworld's info and resources. i've always like concave world theories for their sci-fi and fantasy aspects, especially things like the Thule Society, wikipedia them sometimes. that was the inspiration for an entire concave universe, with people living on the inner shell.

because of that, i wanted to craft a world centered around a giant new york or tokyo, and that became Haal, a city on a floating island in the center of the Centre Sea. in the center of that, the Lighthouse Palace is the tallest structure in the universe, able to illuminate an area the diameter of neptune, like a candle in the bottom of a large bowl.
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Shigeru wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
This sounds like my kind of conworld! Do you have a website describing any of it?

unfortunantly, i lack the funds to run a website.

what do ya mean 'lack the funds'? there are loads of free site places out there where you can hang your hat until you can pay a few clams a month for a decent sized spot...
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There are 379.5 days per year.
These are divided into 19 months of twenty days, except on leap years (every other year) when one is only 19 days.

I havn't worked out the names yet; I'm still working on their etymologies.
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I have two calendars, one complete with names, for my conworld. A lunisolar calendar based on the northern solstice year; and a vernal-solar calendar.

http://www.sedesdraconis.com/index.cgi?Calendar
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The Wolven (Cénáre) had a calendar system consisting of four primary months of 79 days each, more or less corresponding to the different seasons throughout the year. In order, the months are: Oharel, Velókar, Adarel, Vaelar. After Vaelar, there is a seven-week "sub-month", which is used to honor the Seven Royal Lines (i.e. of the Kings of Ánovén).

Every four years (leap year), an additional day was added before these seven weeks began, which honored the first (and only) High King of Ánovén (Etheôn, of which the Seven Royal Lines were the descendants of his seven sons)

The Ánovénean New Year began on the 1st of Oharel, which corresponded approximately to June 21st (summer solstice). Each week consisted of seven days (the Wolven considered 7 to be the most sacred number), a tradition they brought with them to the Lands of Refuge (modern-day Europe and N. America) after the Lands of Émae (Ánovén and Kânavad) sunk into the ocean.
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the electric kazoo

They exist?! Wow!

Interesting calendar!
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Leap years happen whenever the spring equinox occurs after noon.

How would they determine this? A sort of stonehenge-like thing? Would that work?

The precise details of my conworld aren't decided on yet - its a planet around a real star in our galaxy [I had a few candidates a while ago but forgot what they were], so I don't know the precise length of the day year etc. But, the year length won't be too far off earth's, because in the story I have sketched out, it was chosen for it's earth-like ness. I also haven't got names for anything, unfortunately I'm having a bit of creative block in deciding how related my languages should be, and I can't get much further with them till that's resolved [have a look here if you'd liek to give me advice]. The calendar is pretty much applicable to any planet though.

The year is defined in terms of the observable cycle of four key features: ["day" here means the time betweeen sunrise and sunset, not the rotational period] the first day which is longer than the previous day, the first day which is longer than it's night, the first day shorter than the previous day, and the first day shorter than the previous night.

The year is split into 4 sections, each starting on one of those 4 key days. Each section is split up into 3 "months," giving the familiar twelve months of our calendar. But this is coincidence. The conrace involved have three fingers and a thumb, and as a result, tend to count in threes and twelves - their number systems are mostly base 12*. The lengths of the 3 months in each section are chosen such that they either (a) all have the same length, or (b) the first two have the same length, and the third is different. This means that at a maximum the last month can be 2 days different in length from the other two [better than our three day difference of 28 - 31].

The solstices and equinoxes always fall on the final day of each of the 4 sections. There are festivals on these days.

The calendar doesn't require leap years as the start date of each section is determined by the solstices and equinoxes, so it can never drift as ours would without leap days.

* They count to 12 on the fingers of one hand by extending their fingers as follows [they have little finger, middle finger and index finger, and thumb, abbreviated as L, M, I, T]

1: L 7: L T
2: L, M 8: L, M T
3: L, M, I 9: L, M, I, T
4: M, I 10: M, I T
5: I 11: I T
6: L, I 12: L I T
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Yes - Electric Kazoos Exist. I have a kazooka http://www.electrickazoo.com/ .

I am able to play drums and kazoo simultaneously by mounting the kazoo onto a harmonica neck holding thingy.

If you want to learn a strange instrument, I reccomend you buy one - they are only about 20 bucks. You will need an amp though. The Electric Kazoo is very hard to play, since there are no discreete pitches, but it's one of the most expressive instruments availible, besides the human voice.
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2008-05-19T22:36:10Z

Eldin raigmore: /* On re-reading all your converbs really look like converbs. */

== Talk:Kilda Kelen (comment) ==

1) Hi, Panchakahq.
2) I like what you've done to Kilda Kelen so far.
3) I commented on Yahoo! groups "aboriconlangs" and "eastasianconlangs".
4) You ought to post an announcement on Yahoo! group "frathwiki" as well.
5) IMO you should consider joining Yahoo! group "altaica", at least to lurk; and consider posting an announcement there.
6) Have you considered cross-referencing Kilda Kelen in the Conlang Wikia?
7) I'm looking forward to your "Kinship Terms". Why not just look up some R.L. ones in the Wikipedia, see how it's done, and then do it more-or-less that way here on Frathwiki? Then tell the Yahoo! groups what URL to look at. Worry _later_ about how to e-mail the kinterm-system itself to a Yahoo! group afterward.
8) If "this wasn't as hard as you expected", that encourages me to attempt further progress on Adpihi and/or Reptigan. So I'm _really_ looking forward to the kinterms.
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Hi, Eldin --
Thanks very much for all the positive feedback, encouragement, and ideas!
- I'm really reluctant to join yet more email lists, when so few have any activity, and when in turn so little of that activity is of much quality. And the "altaica" list (and its cousins and predecessors) has enough cranks without adding conlanging to the mix, IMO -- I'd like to see some forums with some serious, non-wingnut Altaistics discussion ;(
- Good idea about cross-listing or linking in other conlangy wikis; I just don't know which ones are actually lively and trafficked, and keep thinking I'm going to get more material together to post and *then* I'll work on linking and so forth!
- I didn't know that Wikipedia proper has a format set up for presenting kin terms or systems; I'll check that out for sure -- it could save me a lot of headache.
- Looking forward to reading more about Adpihi & Reptigan, myself, in whatever location!

== Aren't participles verbal ''adjectives''? ==

Aren't participles verbal ''adjectives''?
(Though not necessarily all verbal adjectives are participles, FAIK.)

Converbs are usually considered equivalent to gerunds (and vice versa).

Normally the "most important" (whatever that means) verbal noun is called "the (or an) ''infinitive''" IIUC; and other verbal nouns are usually called "''gerunds''".

If you've got one (or more) important non-finite form(s) of your verbs which is a verbal noun, and distinguish them from gerunds, shouldn't you call (one of) them "infinitives" (especially if in your opinion it's "more important" than the "gerunds") instead of "participles"?

(Other names for verbal nouns include "masdars", "supines", and "verbnouns".)

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If your 'lang allows using adjectives as nouns, then you may be able (and probably are able) to use participles as nouns, too. In that case your active participle could be used as your agent-nominalization and your passive participle could be used as your passive-nominalization.

What do you think?

(And incidentally I like your most recent update. Naturally people talk more about what they think you should change than what they think you got just perfect the first try; and I'm a "people", so I do that too.)

[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 16:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

=== Response to Eldin's 16 May 08 comments ===
First, no worries about the nature of your comments; actually I'd much prefer the "what you should change/why did you do it like THAT???" feedback than the "OMG thats liek so cool" kind :) So, thank you very much!

"Adjective" just is a pretty vague and marginally useful category, as Neo-Khitanese parts-of-speech go, so it didn't occur to me to describe these things as "verbal *adjectives*" instead of as nouns/nominals. It's more a matter of "my lang allows using nouns as adjectives" than vice versa -- and, for that matter, there's not really a distinction between "the active participle" and "the passive participle" as such.

I'm honestly not familiar with the term "verbal adjective" in general linguistic literature, but from that position of ignorance, I can't see any reason to prefer "verbal adjective" over "verbal noun" here.

And, frankly, a factor in using "participle" was simply to mimic the terminology used by other (English-language, at least) writers on Mongol/Tungusic languages. I'm well aware it's not pukka terminology, but I sacrificed descriptive perfection to try to simulate real-world documentation of a real-world language :) Though I modernized a *little* bit, and used "converb" instead of "gerund" to distinguish the non-nounish/adjectivish, non-finite verbal forms. I'm reluctant to use the term infinitive, except in scare quotes, because I don't think there's a really good match between any of the NK candidates and other languages' "infinitives". Maybe the "Purposive Converbs"... but I just can't see much advantage in slapping such a vague label on them.

==== Response to response; recommend "supine", recommend against "converb", but your reasons sufficient. ====

"to mimic the terminology used by other (English-language, at least) writers on Mongol/Tungusic languages" is a perfectly sufficient reason to do as you have done. And so is "to simulate real-world documentation of a real-world language".

Not all languages have "adjectives" as a separate open class. Many languages use verbs where other languages would use adjectives; many languages use nouns where other languages would use adjectives. It appears NK is one of the latter? ("Polysynthetic" languages seem particularly prone to do without adjectives, I have read.) Anyway, I've also read objections to distinguishing adjectives from nouns, that say they should really be "adjective nouns" vs "substantive nouns".

: ''You make a good point here, and I think a lot of the confusion you’re detecting is simply a result of my throwing out snippets onto a webpage without all the context. In my grammatical materials on NK, what I actually use is the term “nominal”, to cover both of “adjective nouns” and “substantive nouns”. “Words that modify nouns” in NK are for the most part either nominals or “verbal nouns/participles”; there’s only a very small residual class of words that could really be called adjectives and aren’t either nominals or verbal derivations. (“Big”, “little”, etc.) NK isn’t polysynthetic, at least not in the senses of the term I’m familiar with – certainly no more so than Turkish or Japanese. -- K.''
:: I thought that might be, and it does indeed explain everything. There are languages with a small closed class of "adjectives" (some people don't like to call a class "adjectives" unless it's an open class, but they modify nouns, aren't nouns, and aren't verbs). It looks like NK is one of them? Do you have a list of these "adjectives" somewhere? How many are there? About a dozen, maybe? Or about as many as English has adpositions or as Korean has light verbs? It would be interesting to know. --[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 17:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The difference, if there is one, is that adjectives modify noun-phrases. Many languages have a case for most of their nouns which is adnominal rather than adverbial; the noun in that case is used to modify another noun or noun-phrase, rather than a verb or a clause or some other multi-word constituent than a noun-phrase. The genitive is probably the most popular name for such a case. So "allowing nouns to be used as adjectives" is also a pretty popular strategy cross-linguistically, even among languages which do distinguish between nouns and adjectives.

If X is a part of speech, a "verbal X" is an X derived from a verb which still has some of the properties of a verb; for instance, maybe it's able to take an object. "Verbal nouns" are nouns derived from verbs which still act somewhat like verbs; "verbal adjectives" are adjectives derived from verbs which still act somewhat like verbs. (In a parallel sense there can be adjectival adverbs, adjectival nouns, adjectival verbs, adverbal adjectives, adverbal nouns, adverbal verbs, nominal adjectives, nominal adverbs, nominal verbs, verbal adverbs. Some of those won't be very big or very interesting or very common.) One of the distinctions is between the "verbal adj" and the "deverbal adj"; a "deverbal adj" is also derived from a verb, but may have no verb-like properties. Similarly a "deverbal noun" is a noun derived from a verb, but need not have any verb-like properties.

Participles are usually considered verbal adjectives; they are the only kind of verbal adjective ''of which I am aware'' that frequently occur cross-linguistically. It is a personal conceit of mine that the category of participle should be based on the meaning "the modified noun was/is/couldbe a participant in the root verb". Participles can have tense, aspect, mood, and voice. An active participle modifies a noun to say that that noun was(or other form of the verb "to be") an agent of the root verb; a passive participle means that the noun was a patient of the root verb. In English, active participles tend to end with -ing, and sound and look exactly like present participles and imperfective participles and gerunds ("I am killing"); passive participles tend to end with -ed, and sound and look exactly like past participles and perfective participles ("I am killed").

: ''Yes. This is why I’ve accepted the term “participle” for NK, and why other (English-language, at least) writers on related languages generally used the term. I think the only difference of opinion you and I are having is that, because I’m largely rolling “adjective(al)” into the category of “nominal” for NK, I think it’s clearer to think of “participles” as “verbal ‘nouns’” (or “nominals”, if you like) than “verbal ‘adjectives’”. In actual use, their attributive or noun-modifying function is only one of the roles they play. And, as I mentioned, NK doesn't make a rigorous distinction on the level of morphology between active and passive participles; so it's another categorization that's perfectly valid in the abstract but just not very relevant to the matter at hand. -- K.''
:: That all makes sense and explains it all. These participles are "verbal nominals", where "nominals" is the class that includes both "substantive nouns" and "adjective nouns". It's interesting, though, that NK's participles can inflect for most of the categories finite verbs can inflect for (if I understand correctly what you said below). That's one of the things that makes them "verbal" instead of "deverbal". (Though I think taking participants is the main such thing.)--[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 17:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

EUROTYP says "converb" and "gerund" might as well be synonyms for the use they make of these terms; but they might not be synonyms when trying to typologize non-European languages. NK is Northeast Asian, right?

: ''Yep – basically it’s just North Tungusic with funny substrata & adstrata :) -- K.''

"Converb" was first introduced (or so it is my impression; I could be mistaken) to describe the completely morphology-less forms of verbs used in serial verb constructions in many SVC languages; for some serial-verbs, only one of the verbs in the series is inflected for anything, and the others all appear as converbs. It rather resembles the "construct state" of some Semitic languages, in which the root of the noun appears with as little inflection as possible. I think the lack of inflection is more important, considered world-wide, than the use as a noun, for purposes of calling something a "converb"; a "converb" is the most non-finite or least finite possible form of a non-finite verb.

While I am personally aware of only one type of verbal adjective that reappears in several languages (to wit "participles", though inflecting these for aspect mood number polarity tense and voice makes several sub-types), I am aware of several types of verbal nouns. There are infinitives and gerunds to start with; there are also masdars and supines and gerundives. Normally the most important kind of verbal noun is called "the infinitive" and the others are all called "gerunds", but obviouslly there are exceptions; some languages traditionallly have a "first infinitive" and a "second infinitive" and so on, and some have a "first gerund" and a "second gerund" and so on. I don't know what the customs are regarding "masdars", but there just aren't a lot of customs regarding "supines"; some grammarians analyzing some languages use "supine" for a type of verbal adverb rather than a type of verbal noun, in particular for a non-finite form of the verb intended to express purpose. (For instance, "it is good to drink", in some languages, what English accomplishes with the infinitive "to drink" would be accomplished with a supine instead.)

The term infinitive is never applied to a finite form of the verb. The infinitive must be missing some of the inflection ordinarily required for the nucleus of a main clause. Of course what's "ordinarily required" changes from language to language. But, for preference, if some non-finite forms lack agreement with (some or all) participant(s) (e.g. in number or person or gender), and others instead are "untensed" (lacking, for example, aspect and/or mood and/or polarity and/or tense and/or voice), the term "infinitive" goes to one of the forms specifically lacking agreement. (This doesn't apply to languages where no verb ever has to agree with any of its participants.)

In what other ways do you think none of NK's verbal nouns fit the idea of "infinitive"?
: ''Most of them can serve as finite verbs, e.g. as the sole predicate of an utterance; they have TAM and voice marking only slightly reduced from the range of finite verbs in the strict sense – actually, they make ‘more’ tense and aspect distinctions than finite verbs; they usually retain the same arguments as the verbal stems they’re derived from; they’re usually inflected to agree with their subject. From what I understand of SAE linguistic tradition, these are "things infinitives don't do." -- K.''
:: ''Most of them can serve as finite verbs, e.g. as the sole predicate of an utterance'' -- then those certainly can't be infinitives.
:: ''they have TAM and voice marking only slightly reduced from the range of finite verbs in the strict sense – actually, they make ‘more’ tense and aspect distinctions than finite verbs'' -- I think that constrains against, but does not block, calling them "infinitives".
:: ''they usually retain the same arguments as the verbal stems they’re derived from'' -- the more they participants they retain, the bigger a constraint against calling them "infinitives". If they just retain one that makes them "verbal" rather than "deverbal" nominals, but is probably a non-weighty constraint against being called "infinitives"; if they retain all then that ''is'' a weighty constraint against being called "infinitives".
:: ''they’re usually inflected to agree with their subject.'' -- To my way of thinking, then, those almost certainly can't be called "infinitives". If a form of the verb agrees with all of the participants a finite verb agrees with (assuming a finite verb would have to agree with some), it might as well be "nearly finite" for this purpose; certainly not an "infinitive". OTOH I might not be correct about this. --[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 17:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I think your "Purposive Converbs", or at least "purposive verbal nouns", could well be called "supines". It would fit. The term "supine" is a bit obscure (not well known), and also a bit vague. You might want to consider it anyway.

: ''I honestly don't see why. There’s nothing special, morphologically or syntactically, about that one verb form that would seem to merit being singled out. Just because there’s a specialized term available from Greco-Latin linguistics doesn’t mean it’s useful or meaningful to use out that context. In NK, or in other Mongolian or Tungusic languages I know of, for that matter, I don’t see the point of highlighting form X or Y as an “infinitive” or “supine”. It's artificial until proven otherwise :) -- K.''
:: Then don't do it. I just thought it couldn't hurt; I actually didn't see a benefit myself, except that I thought it would do better than "converb". But on looking it over again I decided that "converb" was the better term after all. As you say; the LORD gives us the language but we make up the metalanguage. "Infinitive" and "supine" (''especially'' "supine") are artificial, at least when applied to languages they aren't already traditionally applied to. --[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 17:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know that you really want to call anything a "converb", unless its for one of the two reasons I mentioned at the top of this response. Are the things you're calling "converbs" really totally without any verbal morphology -- really bare roots? If not, or not almost, you might want to consider some other term. ''Edit: your "uninflected converbs" probably should still be called "converbs". Maybe your "inflected converbs" should be called something else?''

The term "verbnoun" is frequently used e.g. in discussing Celtic languages. There are a few other families where it is commonly used. If a language's verb lexicon consists mostly of "lightverb + contentword" combinations, as e.g. Korean's does, then perhaps the content-word is usually a noun, or very nounlike, and can usually be used as a verbal noun; if so it's likely to be called a "verbnoun".
[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 19:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
: ''That makes sense in its own terms, but again, I don’t see a practical advantage to that term over others; and more importantly, to me it would damage the “emic plausibility” of the NK materials. Introducing technical jargon from Celtic linguistics is kind of a red flag of conlangery :) -- K.''
:: I wasn't really recommending "verbnoun", I was just mentioning it FYI in case you wanted to consider it. It looks like you did consider it. And had good reasons for deciding against it.
:: BTW it's not ''only'' Celtic languages that term is used to talk about, is it? Not that I can think of any others at the moment. --[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 17:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

===== On re-reading all your converbs really look like converbs. =====

On re-reading all your converbs really look like converbs, because "Switch-reference or different-subject" and "co-reference or same-subject" is the only inflection they take.

I think, though, it would make better sense to call them "co-referent" vs "switch-reference", or "same-subject" vs "different-subject", or some such, rather than "uninflected" vs "inflected".

At least if you'd done so I wouldn't have been confused; OTOH maybe I'm not typical.
--[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 18:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
: ''Well, at very least, you’re more attentive to high-precision nomenclature than I am :)''
:: And maybe more than some professional linguists as well; in other words, maybe too attentive. Oh, well. --[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 16:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
: ''Thanks for your critique; it really has been helpful, and pointed out a lot of sloppiness in my presentation. It's a good reminder to me to clean things up and translate out of my private shorthand, instead of just cutting and pasting from my notes! -- K.''
:: I bet I'm sloppier than you! Wanna have a contest? --[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 16:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

BTW Wikipedia says that what I called co'''n'''verbs should really be called coverbs.

I don't know how to make the link, so I'm going to quote. I hope this isn't a copyright violation; since this is in the "talk" part, it probably isn't. I'd make the link instead if I knew how.

:Converb
:From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
:In general linguistics, a converb is a non-finite verb form that serves to express adverbial subordination, i.e. notions like 'when', 'because', 'after', 'while'.
:Converbs are not to be confused with Coverbs.
:The term converb was coined for Mongolian by Ramstedt (1903) and until recently was mostly used by specialists of Mongolic and Turkic languages to describe non-finite verbs that could be used either for coordination or subordination. Nedjalkov & Nedjalkov (1987) first adopted the term for general typological use, followed by Haspelmath & König (1995).
:A converb depends syntactically on another verb form, but is not its argument. It can be an adjunct, i.e. an adverbial, but can neither be the only predicate of a simple sentence, nor clausal argument (i.e. it cannot depend on predicates such as ‘begin’, ‘order’, etc.), nor a nominal argument (i.e. it does not occur in subject and object position) (Nedjalkov 1995: 97).

:Coverb
:From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
:Coverbs is a term of General linguistics most often applied in languages with serial verb construction, but also for complex predicates consisting of two verbs with one of them being an auxiliary verb contributing different kinds of information like modality, direction or aktionsart. It fulfills a similar function as adpositions would in many Indogermanic languages like Dutch or Russian. Coverbs exist in a number of east and south-east Asian languages (e.g. Chinese), as well as west African languages (e.g. Yoruba).
:Coverbs must not be confused with Converbs.

Possibly the Wiki people are confused; possibly the people I thought I was quoting were confused. (I am deliberately ignoring the high probability that it was ''me'' who was confused.)
--[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 22:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Kilda Kelen

2008-05-19T17:18:33Z

Eldin raigmore: /* Response to response; recommend "supine", recommend against "converb", but your reasons sufficient. */

Talk:Kilda Kelen

2008-05-19T16:57:48Z

Eldin raigmore: /* On re-reading all your converbs really look like converbs. */

== Talk:Kilda Kelen (comment) ==

1) Hi, Panchakahq.
2) I like what you've done to Kilda Kelen so far.
3) I commented on Yahoo! groups "aboriconlangs" and "eastasianconlangs".
4) You ought to post an announcement on Yahoo! group "frathwiki" as well.
5) IMO you should consider joining Yahoo! group "altaica", at least to lurk; and consider posting an announcement there.
6) Have you considered cross-referencing Kilda Kelen in the Conlang Wikia?
7) I'm looking forward to your "Kinship Terms". Why not just look up some R.L. ones in the Wikipedia, see how it's done, and then do it more-or-less that way here on Frathwiki? Then tell the Yahoo! groups what URL to look at. Worry _later_ about how to e-mail the kinterm-system itself to a Yahoo! group afterward.
8) If "this wasn't as hard as you expected", that encourages me to attempt further progress on Adpihi and/or Reptigan. So I'm _really_ looking forward to the kinterms.
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eldin

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Hi, Eldin --
Thanks very much for all the positive feedback, encouragement, and ideas!
- I'm really reluctant to join yet more email lists, when so few have any activity, and when in turn so little of that activity is of much quality. And the "altaica" list (and its cousins and predecessors) has enough cranks without adding conlanging to the mix, IMO -- I'd like to see some forums with some serious, non-wingnut Altaistics discussion ;(
- Good idea about cross-listing or linking in other conlangy wikis; I just don't know which ones are actually lively and trafficked, and keep thinking I'm going to get more material together to post and *then* I'll work on linking and so forth!
- I didn't know that Wikipedia proper has a format set up for presenting kin terms or systems; I'll check that out for sure -- it could save me a lot of headache.
- Looking forward to reading more about Adpihi & Reptigan, myself, in whatever location!

== Aren't participles verbal ''adjectives''? ==

Aren't participles verbal ''adjectives''?
(Though not necessarily all verbal adjectives are participles, FAIK.)

Converbs are usually considered equivalent to gerunds (and vice versa).

Normally the "most important" (whatever that means) verbal noun is called "the (or an) ''infinitive''" IIUC; and other verbal nouns are usually called "''gerunds''".

If you've got one (or more) important non-finite form(s) of your verbs which is a verbal noun, and distinguish them from gerunds, shouldn't you call (one of) them "infinitives" (especially if in your opinion it's "more important" than the "gerunds") instead of "participles"?

(Other names for verbal nouns include "masdars", "supines", and "verbnouns".)

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If your 'lang allows using adjectives as nouns, then you may be able (and probably are able) to use participles as nouns, too. In that case your active participle could be used as your agent-nominalization and your passive participle could be used as your passive-nominalization.

What do you think?

(And incidentally I like your most recent update. Naturally people talk more about what they think you should change than what they think you got just perfect the first try; and I'm a "people", so I do that too.)

[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 16:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

=== Response to Eldin's 16 May 08 comments ===
First, no worries about the nature of your comments; actually I'd much prefer the "what you should change/why did you do it like THAT???" feedback than the "OMG thats liek so cool" kind :) So, thank you very much!

"Adjective" just is a pretty vague and marginally useful category, as Neo-Khitanese parts-of-speech go, so it didn't occur to me to describe these things as "verbal *adjectives*" instead of as nouns/nominals. It's more a matter of "my lang allows using nouns as adjectives" than vice versa -- and, for that matter, there's not really a distinction between "the active participle" and "the passive participle" as such.

I'm honestly not familiar with the term "verbal adjective" in general linguistic literature, but from that position of ignorance, I can't see any reason to prefer "verbal adjective" over "verbal noun" here.

And, frankly, a factor in using "participle" was simply to mimic the terminology used by other (English-language, at least) writers on Mongol/Tungusic languages. I'm well aware it's not pukka terminology, but I sacrificed descriptive perfection to try to simulate real-world documentation of a real-world language :) Though I modernized a *little* bit, and used "converb" instead of "gerund" to distinguish the non-nounish/adjectivish, non-finite verbal forms. I'm reluctant to use the term infinitive, except in scare quotes, because I don't think there's a really good match between any of the NK candidates and other languages' "infinitives". Maybe the "Purposive Converbs"... but I just can't see much advantage in slapping such a vague label on them.

==== Response to response; recommend "supine", recommend against "converb", but your reasons sufficient. ====

"to mimic the terminology used by other (English-language, at least) writers on Mongol/Tungusic languages" is a perfectly sufficient reason to do as you have done. And so is "to simulate real-world documentation of a real-world language".

Not all languages have "adjectives" as a separate open class. Many languages use verbs where other languages would use adjectives; many languages use nouns where other languages would use adjectives. It appears NK is one of the latter? ("Polysynthetic" languages seem particularly prone to do without adjectives, I have read.) Anyway, I've also read objections to distinguishing adjectives from nouns, that say they should really be "adjective nouns" vs "substantive nouns".

: ''You make a good point here, and I think a lot of the confusion you’re detecting is simply a result of my throwing out snippets onto a webpage without all the context. In my grammatical materials on NK, what I actually use is the term “nominal”, to cover both of “adjective nouns” and “substantive nouns”. “Words that modify nouns” in NK are for the most part either nominals or “verbal nouns/participles”; there’s only a very small residual class of words that could really be called adjectives and aren’t either nominals or verbal derivations. (“Big”, “little”, etc.) NK isn’t polysynthetic, at least not in the senses of the term I’m familiar with – certainly no more so than Turkish or Japanese. -- K.''

The difference, if there is one, is that adjectives modify noun-phrases. Many languages have a case for most of their nouns which is adnominal rather than adverbial; the noun in that case is used to modify another noun or noun-phrase, rather than a verb or a clause or some other multi-word constituent than a noun-phrase. The genitive is probably the most popular name for such a case. So "allowing nouns to be used as adjectives" is also a pretty popular strategy cross-linguistically, even among languages which do distinguish between nouns and adjectives.

If X is a part of speech, a "verbal X" is an X derived from a verb which still has some of the properties of a verb; for instance, maybe it's able to take an object. "Verbal nouns" are nouns derived from verbs which still act somewhat like verbs; "verbal adjectives" are adjectives derived from verbs which still act somewhat like verbs. (In a parallel sense there can be adjectival adverbs, adjectival nouns, adjectival verbs, adverbal adjectives, adverbal nouns, adverbal verbs, nominal adjectives, nominal adverbs, nominal verbs, verbal adverbs. Some of those won't be very big or very interesting or very common.) One of the distinctions is between the "verbal adj" and the "deverbal adj"; a "deverbal adj" is also derived from a verb, but may have no verb-like properties. Similarly a "deverbal noun" is a noun derived from a verb, but need not have any verb-like properties.

Participles are usually considered verbal adjectives; they are the only kind of verbal adjective ''of which I am aware'' that frequently occur cross-linguistically. It is a personal conceit of mine that the category of participle should be based on the meaning "the modified noun was/is/couldbe a participant in the root verb". Participles can have tense, aspect, mood, and voice. An active participle modifies a noun to say that that noun was(or other form of the verb "to be") an agent of the root verb; a passive participle means that the noun was a patient of the root verb. In English, active participles tend to end with -ing, and sound and look exactly like present participles and imperfective participles and gerunds ("I am killing"); passive participles tend to end with -ed, and sound and look exactly like past participles and perfective participles ("I am killed").

: ''Yes. This is why I’ve accepted the term “participle” for NK, and why other (English-language, at least) writers on related languages generally used the term. I think the only difference of opinion you and I are having is that, because I’m largely rolling “adjective(al)” into the category of “nominal” for NK, I think it’s clearer to think of “participles” as “verbal ‘nouns’” (or “nominals”, if you like) than “verbal ‘adjectives’”. In actual use, their attributive or noun-modifying function is only one of the roles they play. And, as I mentioned, NK doesn't make a rigorous distinction on the level of morphology between active and passive participles; so it's another categorization that's perfectly valid in the abstract but just not very relevant to the matter at hand. -- K.''

EUROTYP says "converb" and "gerund" might as well be synonyms for the use they make of these terms; but they might not be synonyms when trying to typologize non-European languages. NK is Northeast Asian, right?

: ''Yep – basically it’s just North Tungusic with funny substrata & adstrata :) -- K.''

"Converb" was first introduced (or so it is my impression; I could be mistaken) to describe the completely morphology-less forms of verbs used in serial verb constructions in many SVC languages; for some serial-verbs, only one of the verbs in the series is inflected for anything, and the others all appear as converbs. It rather resembles the "construct state" of some Semitic languages, in which the root of the noun appears with as little inflection as possible. I think the lack of inflection is more important, considered world-wide, than the use as a noun, for purposes of calling something a "converb"; a "converb" is the most non-finite or least finite possible form of a non-finite verb.

While I am personally aware of only one type of verbal adjective that reappears in several languages (to wit "participles", though inflecting these for aspect mood number polarity tense and voice makes several sub-types), I am aware of several types of verbal nouns. There are infinitives and gerunds to start with; there are also masdars and supines and gerundives. Normally the most important kind of verbal noun is called "the infinitive" and the others are all called "gerunds", but obviouslly there are exceptions; some languages traditionallly have a "first infinitive" and a "second infinitive" and so on, and some have a "first gerund" and a "second gerund" and so on. I don't know what the customs are regarding "masdars", but there just aren't a lot of customs regarding "supines"; some grammarians analyzing some languages use "supine" for a type of verbal adverb rather than a type of verbal noun, in particular for a non-finite form of the verb intended to express purpose. (For instance, "it is good to drink", in some languages, what English accomplishes with the infinitive "to drink" would be accomplished with a supine instead.)

The term infinitive is never applied to a finite form of the verb. The infinitive must be missing some of the inflection ordinarily required for the nucleus of a main clause. Of course what's "ordinarily required" changes from language to language. But, for preference, if some non-finite forms lack agreement with (some or all) participant(s) (e.g. in number or person or gender), and others instead are "untensed" (lacking, for example, aspect and/or mood and/or polarity and/or tense and/or voice), the term "infinitive" goes to one of the forms specifically lacking agreement. (This doesn't apply to languages where no verb ever has to agree with any of its participants.)

In what other ways do you think none of NK's verbal nouns fit the idea of "infinitive"?
: ''Most of them can serve as finite verbs, e.g. as the sole predicate of an utterance; they have TAM and voice marking only slightly reduced from the range of finite verbs in the strict sense – actually, they make ‘more’ tense and aspect distinctions than finite verbs; they usually retain the same arguments as the verbal stems they’re derived from; they’re usually inflected to agree with their subject. From what I understand of SAE linguistic tradition, these are "things infinitives don't do." -- K.''

I think your "Purposive Converbs", or at least "purposive verbal nouns", could well be called "supines". It would fit. The term "supine" is a bit obscure (not well known), and also a bit vague. You might want to consider it anyway.

: ''I honestly don't see why. There’s nothing special, morphologically or syntactically, about that one verb form that would seem to merit being singled out. Just because there’s a specialized term available from Greco-Latin linguistics doesn’t mean it’s useful or meaningful to use out that context. In NK, or in other Mongolian or Tungusic languages I know of, for that matter, I don’t see the point of highlighting form X or Y as an “infinitive” or “supine”. It's artificial until proven otherwise :) -- K.''

I don't know that you really want to call anything a "converb", unless its for one of the two reasons I mentioned at the top of this response. Are the things you're calling "converbs" really totally without any verbal morphology -- really bare roots? If not, or not almost, you might want to consider some other term. ''Edit: your "uninflected converbs" probably should still be called "converbs". Maybe your "inflected converbs" should be called something else?''

The term "verbnoun" is frequently used e.g. in discussing Celtic languages. There are a few other families where it is commonly used. If a language's verb lexicon consists mostly of "lightverb + contentword" combinations, as e.g. Korean's does, then perhaps the content-word is usually a noun, or very nounlike, and can usually be used as a verbal noun; if so it's likely to be called a "verbnoun".

: ''That makes sense in its own terms, but again, I don’t see a practical advantage to that term over others; and more importantly, to me it would damage the “emic plausibility” of the NK materials. Introducing technical jargon from Celtic linguistics is kind of a red flag of conlangery :) -- K.''

[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 19:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

===== On re-reading all your converbs really look like converbs. =====

On re-reading all your converbs really look like converbs, because "Switch-reference or different-subject" and "co-reference or same-subject" is the only inflection they take.

I think, though, it would make better sense to call them "co-referent" vs "switch-reference", or "same-subject" vs "different-subject", or some such, rather than "uninflected" vs "inflected".

At least if you'd done so I wouldn't have been confused; OTOH maybe I'm not typical.
--[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 18:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
: ''Well, at very least, you’re more attentive to high-precision nomenclature than I am :)''
:: And maybe more than some professional linguists as well; in other words, maybe too attentive. Oh, well. --[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 16:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
: ''Thanks for your critique; it really has been helpful, and pointed out a lot of sloppiness in my presentation. It's a good reminder to me to clean things up and translate out of my private shorthand, instead of just cutting and pasting from my notes! -- K.''
:: I bet I'm sloppier than you! Wanna have a contest? --[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 16:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Kilda Kelen

2008-05-18T18:45:08Z

Eldin raigmore: New section wasn't what I wanted; deleted it, re-inserted it as sub-section.

Talk:Kilda Kelen

2008-05-18T18:43:38Z

Eldin raigmore: Didn't want new section; deleted it, re-inserted as subsection.

Talk:Kilda Kelen

2008-05-18T18:42:05Z

Eldin raigmore: On re-reading all your converbs really look like converbs.

Talk:Kilda Kelen

2008-05-18T18:40:29Z

Eldin raigmore: /* On re-reading all your converbs really look like converbs. */ new section

Talk:Kilda Kelen

2008-05-18T18:33:41Z

Eldin raigmore: your "uninflected converbs" probably should still be called "converbs".

Talk:Kilda Kelen

2008-05-17T19:55:01Z

Eldin raigmore: /* Response to response; recommend "supine", recommend against "converb", but your reasons sufficient. */

Talk:Kilda Kelen

2008-05-17T19:53:52Z

Eldin raigmore: /* Response to response; recommend "supine", recommend against "converb", but your reasons sufficient. */ new section

Talk:Velyan

2008-05-16T16:20:26Z

Eldin raigmore: /* The suffix shows person/number/gender of the possessor of the suffixed noun. */ new section

Looks good.
You might want to join Muke Tever's Frathwiki Yahoo! egroup.

== Velar nasal "eng" ==

ŋ is an IPA symbol that does, in fact, exist here on Frathwiki.

== Certain hooked IPA symbols. ==

ɧɱŋɳɲ
are all there;
ɲ n with a left hook on the left leg,
ɳ n with a right hook on the right leg,
ŋ n with a left hook on the right leg (a.k.a. eng).
Start editing your page and go down to "special character insertion" just below the new-text frame.
Look at the top "IPA" row, just to the right of its middle.
The symbol you've used ƞ is not in the top row; it's far to the right in the fourth "Latin" row.
But there's an "eng" in the Latin too: look in the third row just about a quarter to a third from the right. You have both an uppercase Ŋ and a lowercase ŋ there.

== I made some minor edits ==

Maybe I shouldn't have, but, since you seemed to be having trouble, I have just now changed some of your n to eng and also changed some of your eta to eng.
It's easy to change back if you don't like it.
Maybe you don't want to change back but you still wish I hadn't done it. If that's so, tell me; and also, I apologize.
I hope I did it right.

== Some questions ==

Why are some of the consonants listed with parenetheses? Does that indicate allophones, or what? Also, what precisely is the distinction between "human" and "professional" in the noun class section? And, are these noun classes a gender system? [[User:Nik|Nik]] 16:04, 7 October 2007 (PDT)

== The suffix shows person/number/gender of the possessor of the suffixed noun. ==

Although any reader would eventually figure it out, it's probably worth mentioning explicitly that the suffix shows person/number/gender of the ''possessor'' of the suffixed noun; not of the noun itself. The noun is suffixed ''provided'' it is possessed.

Have you considered having the suffix (optionally) also show the ''case'' of the possessor?

Good stuff so far!

[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 16:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Kilda Kelen

2008-05-16T16:13:01Z

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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Again, apologies to Janko.
This goes with his "Numbers ..."; it also goes with the threads "Kinterms ..." and "Colorterms ..." which I started in this forum.

How many, and who, among us have more-or-less completish vocabularies for body parts in some of our conlangs? And which conlangs?

("Not me, yet", is, I'm afraid, my first contribution.)

Here's my attempt at an outline. If you find it incomplete, add stuff; if you find a different order would be better, re-arrange it; and if you find it makes "different" things your conlang would make "same", edit it.

Body
-Blood vessel
--Artery
--Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
--Skin
--Muscle
--Fat
--Blood
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest
---Heart
---Lung
--Abdomen or Belly
---Stomach
---Liver
---Spleen
---Intestines
--Waist
-Neck
-Extremity
--Head
---Hair
---Ear
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose
----Nostril
---Mouth
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg
----Hip
-----buttock (if different)
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle)
-----Shin
-----Calf
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
-Side
--Back
--Front
--Left
--Right
--Bottom (lower)
--Top (upper)
-Orifices
--anus
--urethral meatus?
--vagina was covered under "genitalia".
--mouth and nose and ear were covered under "head". So was "eye", but your conlang might not consider that an orifice.

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I am looking forward to the answers!

Thanks, in advance.
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<EDIT:>
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)
</EDIT>

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<EDIT:>
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".
</EDIT>

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Soap
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
-Blood vessel tamapop
--Artery tamap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pansa
--Skin perebi
--Muscle soppi
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
--Blood tapema
-Trunk (torso) sumpobi
--Chest pammum
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
---Stomach pemarapupi
---Liver pabapi
---Spleen barrampi
---Intestines wampupi
--Waist pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Hair wesum
---Ear uma, sobopi
----Earhole umabosadepi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Iris pispadapi
-----Pupil pispaliapi
-----Sclera no word yet
----Eyebrow pisamblesum
----Eyelid osinipi
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
----Eye socket opposadepi
----Tear gland liblapampi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Nostril taposadepi
---Mouth popopi
----Jaw poposopi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Tongue blampi
--Limb pemia
---Arm pemia
----Shoulder maba
----Elbow pemiabimbra
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
---Leg pampipi
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Knee pimbra
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
----Shin no word yet
----Foot aspi
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
---Nail ebbi
----Fingernail ebbi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
----Thumbnail arpebbi
---Finger sempi
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Side popapitabi
--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--Front jubipi
--Left blumperbap
--Right porpubat
--Bottom (lower) purpa
--Top (upper) pimpampi
-Orifices
--anus parpab
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More:
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
clitoris: pubi
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi
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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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cromulant wrote:

Your forgot the Isles of Langerhans.

I tried to leave out most things that were microscopic (like the Islets), and most things that were not visible on the surface (like the Islets).

(I also left out the Organ of Zuckerkandl, which resides in the arch of the aorta. Nobody seems to know what it's for.)

(And I left out the voicebox or larynx, and other parts of the speech system. Perhaps I should have included some of them. Others are welcome to, if they feel it would be good to do so.)

Bones and blood and stomachs-and-or-intestines and hearts and wombs, however, seemed like I should include them.

Blood is often visible on the surface, after a minor injury.

If bone is visible on the surface, a major injury has occurred; but one can detect the bone from the outside by touch.

Hearts move and make a sound detectable from the outside.

The same is true of the stomach-and-or-intestines; furthermore the owner of the stomach can often tell when it's empty, or when it wants to operate in reverse (the name of that sensation is "nausea").

Wombs have visible results; and their owners know what's going on in them. (Actually, I've been kicked awake by an unborn baby whose mother slept through the kick!)

As for livers and spleens and sweetbreads and so on: They are often referred to in old-fashioned conversations preceding the advent of modern medicine; I assume that the practice of butchery, together with those of surgery and veterinary and medicine, familiarized people with some of them. In some Native North American languages, for instance, an automobile's battery is referred to as its "liver".

It would be reasonable for some conlangs not to have all of these, and for others to have body-part terms in addition to these.

cromulant wrote:

My word for arm is khaib.
I'll get back to you on all the others.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
-Blood vessel tamapop
--Artery tamap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pansa
--Skin perebi
--Muscle soppi
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
--Blood tapema
-Trunk (torso) sumpobi
--Chest pammum
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
---Stomach pemarapupi
---Liver pabapi
---Spleen barrampi
---Intestines wampupi
--Waist pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Hair wesum
---Ear uma, sobopi
----Earhole umabosadepi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Iris pispadapi
-----Pupil pispaliapi
-----Sclera no word yet
----Eyebrow pisamblesum
----Eyelid osinipi
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
----Eye socket opposadepi
----Tear gland liblapampi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Nostril taposadepi
---Mouth popopi
----Jaw poposopi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Tongue blampi
--Limb pemia
---Arm pemia
----Shoulder maba
----Elbow pemiabimbra
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
---Leg pampipi
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Knee pimbra
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
----Shin no word yet
----Foot aspi
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
---Nail ebbi
----Fingernail ebbi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
----Thumbnail arpebbi
---Finger sempi
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Side popapitabi
--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--Front jubipi
--Left blumperbap
--Right porpubat
--Bottom (lower) purpa
--Top (upper) pimpampi
-Orifices
--anus parpab
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More:
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
clitoris: pubi
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Thanks.
What's the name of your conlang?

Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Ear uma, sobopi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Why more than one word?
In some cases, viz.
Kuvdamos wrote:

--Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Neck pia pawa palidapa
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
-----Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
----Wrist pia webes pampsam
-----Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
---Toe saweman sampi pia
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem

it looks like you need a phrase to distinguish from some other body-part;
but in some cases, viz.
Kuvdamos wrote:

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Heart wepse, wawa
---Lung ebo, ebobi
--Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
-Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
--Head wibu, pawapi
---Ear uma, sobopi
---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
---female pupap, labap
----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
---male nope, palsip, lupap
----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

it looks like you have more than one term which are interpretable by the same "English" term.
In the latter cases, is that because your conlang makes a distinction "English" doesn't (actually, that I didn't?)
Or do you have two different synonyms? In which case when is it appropriate to use the one, and when the other?

Kuvdamos wrote:

-----Sclera no word yet
-----Incisor no word yet
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
----Lower Arm no word yet
----Shin no word yet
-----Sole no word yet
-----Ball no word yet
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
----Other toes? no word yet
----Index finger no word yet
----Pinky finger no word yet
----Middle finger no word yet
----Ring finger no word yet

Fine. Not all languages have words for these. Yours may end up needing phrases for some of these.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
----testicle lespapi (plural only)

Fine. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
--urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

OK. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Eyebrow pisamblesum
-----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)

That's fine, probably.

Kuvdamos wrote:

----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?

Yes!
I have edited it.
Do you have a word for "thigh" in your conlang?

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Tom H.C. in MI
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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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(Accidental duplicate post I was not able to delete.)
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doctrellor
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Joined: 19 Oct 2003
Location: Land of 10,000 lakes..:)
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)

I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail

like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on

so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem

I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject:

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Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?

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TomHChappell
Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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doctrellor wrote:

TomHChappell wrote:

Does your conlang ... use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail
like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on
so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem
I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

Thanks. I look forward to it.
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Tom H.C. in MI
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Goza Lesha
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Joined: 08 Oct 2006

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject:

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(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.

These are the ones I have words for:

Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:

Body Body
-Blood vessel Bleed Vessel
--Artery Artery
--Vein Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Bone
--Skin Skin
--Muscle Muscle
--Fat Fat
--Blood Bleed
-Trunk (torso) Torso
--Chest Chest
---Heart Heart
---Lung Lung
--Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly
---Stomach Stomach
---Liver Liver
---Spleen Sploon
---Intestines Intestines
--Waist Waist
-Neck Neck
-Extremity Extremity
--Head Hed
---Hair Hair
---Ear Ear
----Earhole Ear Canal
---Eye Eye
----Eyeball Eyeball
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupil
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Eyebrow
----Eyelid Eyelid
-----Eyelash Eyelash
----Eye socket Eye socket
----Tear gland Tear Gland
---Nose Nose
----Nostril Nostril
---Mouth Mouth
----Jaw Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw
----Tooth Tooth
-----Incisor Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar
----Tongue Tongue
--Limb Limb
---Arm Arm
----Shoulder Shoulder
----Elbow Elbow
----Wrist Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm
----Lower Arm Lower Arm
----Hand Hand
-----Palm Palm
---Leg Leg
----Hip Hip
----Knee Knoo
----Ankle Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg
----Shin Shin
----Foot Foot
-----Sole Sole
-----Ball Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit
---Nail Nail
----Fingernail Fingernail
----Toenail Toenail
---Toe Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe
----Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe
----Other toes? Toes
---Thumb Thumb
----Thumbnail Thumbnail
---Finger Finger
----Index finger Index Finger
----Pinky finger Pinky Finger
----Middle finger Middle Finger
----Ring finger Ring Finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals
---female Female
----vagina Vagina
----womb Womb
---male Male
----penis Penis
----testicle Testicle
-Side Side
--Back Back
--Front Front
--Left Left
--Right Right
--Bottom (lower) Bottom
--Top (upper) Top
-Orifices Orifices
--anus Anus
--urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

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Sploon! Fabulous! (But shouldn't it be weemb?)
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What about the oonus?

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Wow, I've got almost nothing....

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis)
eye - simah
eyes - soemaef
lip - zilh
muscle - hacaz (also means meat)
fat - jeikosc
throat - vezop
genitalia - vuseis
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TomHChappell
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:19 am Post subject:

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Goza Lesha wrote:

(For Zevino'shoma)
This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.
These are the ones I have words for:
Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

Great! Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote:

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:
Body Body
-Blood vessel Bleed Vessel
--Artery Artery
--Vein Vein
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Bone
--Skin Skin
--Muscle Muscle
--Fat Fat
--Blood Bleed
-Trunk (torso) Torso
--Chest Chest
---Heart Heart
---Lung Lung
--Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly
---Stomach Stomach
---Liver Liver
---Spleen Sploon
---Intestines Intestines
--Waist Waist
-Neck Neck
-Extremity Extremity
--Head Hed
---Hair Hair
---Ear Ear
----Earhole Ear Canal
---Eye Eye
----Eyeball Eyeball
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupil
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Eyebrow
----Eyelid Eyelid
-----Eyelash Eyelash
----Eye socket Eye socket
----Tear gland Tear Gland
---Nose Nose
----Nostril Nostril
---Mouth Mouth
----Jaw Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw
----Tooth Tooth
-----Incisor Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar
----Tongue Tongue
--Limb Limb
---Arm Arm
----Shoulder Shoulder
----Elbow Elbow
----Wrist Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm
----Lower Arm Lower Arm
----Hand Hand
-----Palm Palm
---Leg Leg
----Hip Hip
----Knee Knoo
----Ankle Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg
----Shin Shin
----Foot Foot
-----Sole Sole
-----Ball Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit
---Nail Nail
----Fingernail Fingernail
----Toenail Toenail
---Toe Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe
----Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe
----Other toes? Toes
---Thumb Thumb
----Thumbnail Thumbnail
---Finger Finger
----Index finger Index Finger
----Pinky finger Pinky Finger
----Middle finger Middle Finger
----Ring finger Ring Finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals
---female Female
----vagina Vagina
----womb Womb
---male Male
----penis Penis
----testicle Testicle
-Side Side
--Back Back
--Front Front
--Left Left
--Right Right
--Bottom (lower) Bottom
--Top (upper) Top
-Orifices Orifices
--anus Anus
--urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

Weird! Thanks. I look forward to seeing what the diachronic relationship to English is.

schwhatever wrote:

Wow, I've got almost nothing....

I've got you beat; I've got exactly nothing!

schwhatever wrote:

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis)
eye - simah
eyes - soemaef
lip - zilh
muscle - hacaz (also means meat)
fat - jeikosc
throat - vezop
genitalia - vuseis

What's the name of your conlang?

schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah
eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it?
I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

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Thanks, schwhatever.
Thanks, everyone.

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:

<EDIT>
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)
</EDIT>

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

TomHChappell wrote:

<EDIT>
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".
</EDIT>

Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)
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TomHChappell
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Radagast wrote:

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

That's the kind of thing I wanted to know about.
What's the answer for Mèlw?

Radagast wrote:

Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes

Thanks.

Radagast wrote:

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

Interesting!
Thanks.

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:53 am Post subject:

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Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject:

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THC wrote:
What's the name of your conlang?
Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Quote:
Why more than one word?
The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually. Is this all going to a database somewhere or are you just curious?

cromulant wrote:
Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?
Yes. Pabappa started as a jokelang three years ago, but I got too attached to it to let it remain as such.
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Delalyra
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."
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Goza Lesha
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject:

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Terran humans for this: (Muphridian language)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Brain

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Location: Kansas
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

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I have a few in Palhàwan:

body - ë̀yro
head - ë̀yròi
hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar
mouth - lhàma
nose - tìa
eye - àsþol
ear - fazs
tooth - b̀àma
tongue )- dàðel
neck - wonh
arm - telumàrel
hand - telùmar
knee - wòxin
leg - wòxel
foot - woxh
heart - selùmel
skin -nìam
blood -mìrim

Seat of Life:
Head

Seat of Emotion:
Heart

Seat of Consciousness:
Head

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TomHChappell
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:28 am Post subject:

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Radagast wrote:

Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

THC wrote:

What's the name of your conlang?

Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Quote:

Why more than one word?

The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

Kind of what I thought. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually.

Let us know? Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Is this all going to a database somewhere

I wish!

Kuvdamos wrote:

or are you just curious?

'Fraid so.
My own computer has no internet connection; "my" internet connection is not on my own computer. It takes more technical skill than I have been able to acquire as yet to put all this in a database someplace. But, if Janko can do it, I should be able to as well, shouldn't I? I just don't know how.

Delalyra wrote:

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

Interesting; thanks.
(I have been told -- I don't know whether it's true -- that in "modern western" societies, men tend to see certain parts of their bodies as the "center of their sexual attractiveness", whereas women OTOH see each and every part of their bodies as the "center(?) of their sexual attractiveness". Your Vernaclerians' thinking that each part of their body is the "seat of life" sounds a little like the latter. But do they feel that way about hair and nails? And excretions such as sweat and saliva and earwax?)

Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this:
(Muphridian language)
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

Raluv wrote:

I have a few in Palhàwan:
body - ë̀yro
head - ë̀yròi
hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar
mouth - lhàma
nose - tìa
eye - àsþol
ear - fazs
tooth - b̀àma
tongue )- dàðel
neck - wonh
arm - telumàrel
hand - telùmar
knee - wòxin
leg - wòxel
foot - woxh
heart - selùmel
skin -nìam
blood -mìrim

Seat of Life: Head
Seat of Emotion: Heart
Seat of Consciousness: Head

Thanks.
"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they?
"wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they?
Are there other relationships I've missed?
Thanks again.

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:44 am Post subject:

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Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject:

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Here u go

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Oric
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
...I...have ...penis

By the way, what city are you from? SE is nowhere close to where I visit- I go to West Branch (the smiley-face city) annually.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject:

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Gevey does better than I expected on body parts - lots of words/concepts still missing, though. Most of these words have been generated to meet various translation exercise requirements:

Simple animate status body parts:
aelne (aeln) ear
bazhjarhe (bazhjarh) thumb
bazhve (bazhev) finger
becye (beceey) skin
khuane (khuant) womb
me'he (met) throat
shaawe (shaawg) hand
shkipe (shkip) heart
shlune (shlum) nose, snout
slofre (slofehr) head
wanhe (wang) eye
woole (wool) face, visage
yeetse (yeetes) tongue
zwi'he (zwit) blood

Inanimate status body parts:
cesuu (cesk) body, torso
drestuu (drest) forehead
ezekuu (ezek) foot, paw
friskuu (frisk) guts, intestines
ghimuu (ghim) muscle
grupuu (grup) hair, fur, wool
joejuu (joej) leg
koguu (kog) bone
osucuu (osuc) stomach, belly
poyuu (poy) chin
raekhwuu (raekhouwg) shoulder
rhuuluu (rhuul) tooth
shewuu (shewg) back, saddle
shnaathuu (shnaath) placenta
storuu (stor) chest
ubulhuu (ubul) neck
vroiduu (vroid) arm
zdanuu (zdant) skull

Body products (all inanimate status):
thakluu becyizhuu (yuu becyizhuu thakel) spot, zit
ma'haelhuu (ma'hael) urine, piss
ma'haelhuu zdanizhuu (yuu zdanizhuu ma'hael) phlegm
mabecyuu (mabeceey) sweat
zwibecyuu (zwibeceey) scab

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Delalyra
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject:

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daryush wrote:
amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject:

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daryush wrote:
Here u go

That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

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Delalyra wrote:

daryush wrote:

amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.

Whimemsz wrote:

daryush wrote:

Here u go

That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?

What they said. Amazing, Turkish-oid, all of it.

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It was originally an auxlang for Turkish before I decided to build a conworld around it ... so yeah, its absurdly heavily influenced (there is quite a bit of con- in it, though )

Thanks for the comments btw
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this:
(Muphridian language)
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

I don't have much of the history of the Muphridian language (or the Muphridians), but there is a general overview there of the history, and the language here: http://scjuwiki.azivelar.net/wiki/Muphridian_Language. (under construction)

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
What's the name of your conlang?

Faranit. Although there is a little ambiguity.

TomHChappell wrote:
schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah
eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

It's left over from an older plural system similar to German's lengthening system. I haven't worked out the specifics yet, unfortunately. It irregular, but with some method to its madness, as you can see the remnents of the earlier plural system, but also a worn down version of the later -(I/E)b system.

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schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it?
I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

Maybe? It was buried in my lexicon and I thought I might as well...

Quote:
schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

No, it's the same.

Quote:
schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

Thanks.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:41 pm Post subject:

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Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject:

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MustangDan15 wrote:
Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.
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Thanks, Sano.

Sano wrote:

MustangDan15 wrote:
Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.

Qatama: English:

anaq head
anuq ear(s)
ongo eye(s)
okota heart
toru back
taruya hip/waist
tara belly/stomach
utar chest/breast
nogra feet/toes
anuja leg
udan hand/arm
qongo joint
gan bone
gua mouth/face
ogua facial hair
uha skin
udanju fingers/knuckles
dong nose
g'tla shoulder
qono muscle
anaqra neck
guata teeth
guaja tongue
unuq hair

-Khang

1) Did I do that right?

2) Why did you quote yourself?
2a) Apparently you had already answered this question in some other post. Where? and what post?

3) The word "nogra feet/toes" reminds me a bit of Russian; but the rest of the list doesn't remind me of any language in particular. Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Again, Thanks.
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Quote:
Did I do that right?

Better than I did.

Quote:
Why did you quote yourself?, Where?

ease, CBB

Quote:
Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Not at all.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

1) the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

2)The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

3) The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

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Location: im itësin
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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TomHChappell wrote:
What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.

The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.

The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:
* A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
* An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
* Direction.

This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.

The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.

When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.

Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.

I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

[Edit]Dumb grammar.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject:

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Quote:

"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they?
"wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they?
Are there other relationships I've missed?

The suffix "-el" means something like "the source of." So "telùmar" is hand, and "telumàrel" is literally "hand source", or the arm. With "woxh," which is foot, the h is silent and then dropped when the suffix is added making "wòxel," or leg. "Wòxin" is foot with the suffix for what equates to "middle." There are a few more like "ë̀ro" and "ë̀roi" for body and head. "ërotelùmar," meaning hair, is also related believe it or not, to hand, literally meaning "little hands."

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject:

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I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!
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Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject:

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Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no;
it just slipped my mind completely!
I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started.
The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject:

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TomHChappell wrote:
Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these
---female
----vagina
----womb
---male
----penis
----testicle
but capitalizes all the others.
Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no;
it just slipped my mind completely!
I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started.
The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

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It's awwwwwwwwwwwwwright
I should have my post here by the end of the week.
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject:

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Radioguy wrote:

I should have my post here by the end of the week.

I'm still looking forward to it.
Thanks.
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Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman)
tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`]
tongue - šuun [s`u:n]
alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L]
palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h]
velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm]
uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx]
glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875
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I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s)
gums
palate
uvula
throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing)
throat, thrachea, windpipe
breast, tit, teat
nipple
belly button
tendon
forehead
temple
bladder
calf
butt, buttocks, ass/arse
pelvis
spine, backbone
skull
rib(s) / ribcage

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?
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Location: Aotearoa
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Body Kanana
-Blood vessel aka
--Artery akala
--Vein akawana
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone ohakao
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala
--Skin lamaha
--Muscle kako
--Fat lapala
--Blood koko
-Trunk (torso) koho
--Chest hahaka
---Heart 'alona
---Lung lana
--Abdomen or Belly po'o
---Stomach 'ahakalo
---Liver lawala
---Spleen hapalana
---Intestines po'oloko
--Waist hopa
-Neck na'a
-Extremity
--Head opo'o
---Hair ma'awa
---Ear kalana
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye 'alo
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose aho
----Nostril
---Mouth waha
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm lana
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg wawa
----Hip
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--genitalia
---female
----vagina kala
----womb halapapa
---male
----penis ola
----testicle paopao
-Side kaha
--Back mola
--Front moa
--Left maoa
--Right makao
--Bottom (lower) lalo
--Top (upper) lona
--anus anoho
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Sdannískr

Lihhámr (body)
-Flǽskr (flesh)
--Bǽnr (bone)
--Flǽskr (flesh)
--Kríǥr (strength--muscle)
--Tálgr (fat)
--Bloðís (blood)
-Búlr (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso)
--Bármr (chest)
---Hǽrto (heart)
---Lúnǥwr (lung)
---Brýstr (breast)
--Hrǽfr (abdomen)
--Gérþ (waist)
-Hálsr (neck)
-Strǽkætiwr (limbs, lit. "extendeds")
--Hǿvuð (head)
---Hǽrr (hair)
---Ǿro (ear)
---Ǿǥa (eye)
----Bréhwo (eyelash)
---Snútr (nose)
---Múnþr (mouth)
----Kǿko (jaw)
----Tánþr (tooth)
----Túngo (tongue)
--Lím (limb)
---Ármr (harm)
----Sklúðro (shoulder)
----Wrístr (wrist)
----Múndr (hand)
-----Lófr (palm)
---Hýpr (hip)
---Kníw (knee)
---Ánkulwr (ankle)
---Þýhr (thigh)
---Skíno (shin)
---Fót (foot)
----Lǽstr (sole)
----Hahílr (heel)
--Fíngrr (toe or thumb or finger)
---Tǽhwo (toe)
---Ðúmo (thumb)
--Grúnd (groin)
--Fúlwatos (genitals/groin area, lit. "hiddens")
---Blédr (bladder)
---Ársr (butt)
----Arskúlr (anus)
---Kwénir (woman)
----Slít (vagina)
----Wámb (womb)
---Mánnr (man)
----Sǽkkr (scrotum)
----Fýrnr (penis)
----Bállukr (testicle)
-Síðo (side)
--Hrýng (back)
--Fǿro (front)
--Hlǿmr (left)
--Ríhtr (right)
--Bóð (bottom)
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Body - elwer - ellor
-Blood vessel - uía - clœya
--Artery - súloŋ
--Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed
--Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha
--Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@]
--Muscle - deuma - tóimma
--Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj]
--Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@]
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest - ámos
---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w]
---Lung - sválode - sbállod
--Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm
---Stomach - byallo - beáll
---Liver - bóyar - póughar
---Spleen - quellego
---Pancreas - felgeustar
---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@]
--Waist
-Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l]
-Extremity
--Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn]
---Hair - fille - híll
---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]
----Earhole
----Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma
---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]
----Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)
-----Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]
-----Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth
----Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth
-----Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag
----Eye socket - sattuce
----Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)
---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg
----Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog
---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga
----Jaw - vaugo - vóugh
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo
-----Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo
----Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág
-----Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)
----Tongue - maiga - máigga
--Limb
---Arm - lámo - láom
----Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]
----Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]
----Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]
-----Palm - yéna
---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]
----Hip - rωbe - rúaibh
----Knee - nébos - néobhas
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]
-----Sole - sumba
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-
----Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)
----Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)
---Toe - derdon
---Thumb - duntice
---Finger - dún - tún
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female - quenwe
----vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)
----womb - urwa - urbha
---male - donya
----penis - litto - líott [Lit]
----testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh
-Orifices
--anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis
pus - peugema
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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bulbaquil wrote:

Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman)
tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`]
tongue - šuun [s`u:n]
alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L]
palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h]
velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm]
uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx]
glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s)
gums
palate
uvula
throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing)
throat, thrachea, windpipe
breast, tit, teat
nipple
belly button
tendon
forehead
temple
bladder
calf
butt, buttocks, ass/arse
pelvis
spine, backbone
skull
rib(s) / ribcage

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?

"Breast" might not apply to non-mammals.
Nevertheless it should be included. Thanks for bringing it up.
"Ass/arse" should obviously apply to nearly any animal, even sea-squirts.
Thanks for including it.

Turtlehead wrote:

Body Kanana
-Blood vessel aka
--Artery akala
--Vein akawana
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone ohakao
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala
--Skin lamaha
--Muscle kako
--Fat lapala
--Blood koko
-Trunk (torso) koho
--Chest hahaka
---Heart 'alona
---Lung lana
--Abdomen or Belly po'o
---Stomach 'ahakalo
---Liver lawala
---Spleen hapalana
---Intestines po'oloko
--Waist hopa
-Neck na'a
-Extremity
--Head opo'o
---Hair ma'awa
---Ear kalana
----Earhole
----Earlobe?
---Eye 'alo
----Eyeball
-----Iris
-----Pupil
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash
----Eye socket
----Tear gland
---Nose aho
----Nostril
---Mouth waha
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue
--Limb
---Arm lana
----Shoulder
----Elbow
----Wrist
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand
-----Palm
---Leg wawa
----Hip
----Knee
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot
-----Sole
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail
----Fingernail
----Toenail
---Toe
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
----Pinky toe or little toe
----Other individual toes?
---Thumb
----Thumbnail
---Finger
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--genitalia
---female
----vagina kala
----womb halapapa
---male
----penis ola
----testicle paopao
-Side kaha
--Back mola
--Front moa
--Left maoa
--Right makao
--Bottom (lower) lalo
--Top (upper) lona
--anus anoho

Interesting! Thanks.

Arunaza wrote:

Svannískar

Lik-hámar (body)
-Flǽskar (flesh)
--Bǽnar (bone)
--Flǽskar (flesh)
--Krígar (strength--muscle)
--Tálgar (fat)
--Bloðísøam (blood)
-Búlar (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso)
--Bármar (chest)
---Hérto (heart)
---Lúnġwar (lung)
--Hrǽfir (abdomen)
--Gérþu (waist)
-Hálsar (neck)
-Strǽkætiwir (limbs, lit. "extendeds")
--Haúbuðam (head)
---Hǽrar (hair)
---Aúro (ear)
---Aúġa (eye)
----Bréhwo (eyelash)
---Snútar (nose)
---Múnþar (mouth)
----Kaúko (jaw)
----Tánþar (tooth)
----Túngo (tongue)
--Límu (limb)
---Ármar (harm)
----Sklúðro (shoulder)
----Urístir (wrist)
----Múndar (hand)
-----Lófar (palm)
---Hýpir (hip)
---Kníwam (knee)
---Ánkulwar (ankle)
---Þýhar (thigh)
---Skíno (shin)
---Fótam (foot)
----Lǽstar (sole)
----Hahílar (heel)
--Fíngrar (toe or thumb or finger)
---Tǽhwo (toe)
---Ðúmo (thumb)
--Fúlwatar (genitals, lit. "hiddens")
---Kwénir (woman)
----Slítam (vagina)
----Wámbam
---Mánnar (man)
----Fýrnir (penis)
----Bállukar (testicle)
-Síðo (side)
--Hrýggam (back)
--Faúro (front)
--Hleúmar (left)
--Ríhtar (right)
--Bóðam (bottom)

Interesting! Thanks.

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English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand.
Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

Waldkater wrote:

Body - elwer - ellor
-Blood vessel - uía - clœya
--Artery - súloŋ
--Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed
--Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha
--Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@]
--Muscle - deuma - tóimma
--Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj]
--Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@]
-Trunk (torso)
--Chest - ámos
---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w]
---Lung - sválode - sbállod
--Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm
---Stomach - byallo - beáll
---Liver - bóyar - póughar
---Spleen - quellego
---Pancreas - felgeustar
---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@]
--Waist
-Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l]
-Extremity
--Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn]
---Hair - fille - híll
---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]
----Earhole
----Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma
---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]
----Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)
-----Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]
-----Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]
-----Sclera
----Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth
----Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth
-----Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag
----Eye socket - sattuce
----Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)
---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg
----Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog
---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga
----Jaw - vaugo - vóugh
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo
-----Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo
----Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág
-----Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)
----Tongue - maiga - máigga
--Limb
---Arm - lámo - láom
----Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]
----Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]
----Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]
----Humerus (upper arm)
----Lower Arm
----Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]
-----Palm - yéna
---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]
----Hip - rωbe - rúaibh
----Knee - nébos - néobhas
----Ankle
----Thigh (upper leg)
----Shin
----Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]
-----Sole - sumba
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-
----Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)
----Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)
---Toe - derdon
---Thumb - duntice
---Finger - dún - tún
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---female - quenwe
----vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)
----womb - urwa - urbha
---male - donya
----penis - litto - líott [Lit]
----testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh
-Orifices
--anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis
pus - peugema

Thanks for mentioning them.
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English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand.
Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

ohh... sorry -
Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial")
but i was too lazy later
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Radioguy wrote:
I should have my post here by the end of the week.

@Radioguy, did you ever post here?

Waldkater wrote:
Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial") but i was too lazy later

Thanks. Do you have any more you'd like to show us now?
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Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!

Head - dú
Nose - amar
Eye - škíol
Mouth - armu
Ear - níu
Chin - va
Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd
Throat / Neck - damá

Shoulder - issun
Chest / Stomach - núa
Sides - gatod
Back - rammrót
Hip / Waist - fúv

Arm / Leg - skaro
Back of arm / Back of leg - orga
Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét
Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull
Finger / Toe - ram
Knee / Elbow - aitait

Flaccid penis - pelúa
Erect penis - lakkuš
Scrotum / Testes - ssap
'Gooch' - emrát
Vagina - tlaš a feu
Anus - tlaš
Buttock - mappíok
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cromulant wrote:
My word for arm is khaib. I'll get back to you on all the others.

@Cromulant; Did you get back to us on the others yet? Or, how much of it is available elsewhere? and, if any, where?
Thanks.

doctrellor wrote:
I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail, like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on, so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem. I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

@Doc; Did you post a list for Drem? Or is one available somewhere else? Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote:
(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.
These are the ones I have words for:
Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga
Brain: Shogatu
Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:
---SNIP Muphridian---

@Goza Lesha; Thanks for the Muphridian. Thanks also for as much of the Zevino'shoma as you've posted. Do you have anything on-line telling about their anatomy? Or other interesting things about them?
In re the Zevino'shoma bodyparts, you said "I'll come back for the rest later". Have you some more bodypart terms for them available somewhere?
Thanks.

Radagast wrote:
Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.
...
Mèlw:
Seat of life: blood
Seat of emotion: stomach
Seat of conciousness: eyes
...
(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

@Radagast; thanks. (Radagast the Brown, right?)
Do you have more Mèlw terms online somewhere? Or that you'd like to post here?

Delalyra wrote:
Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

@Delalyra; What else can you tell us about Vernaclerian bodypart terms etc.?

Eddy wrote:
Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

@Eddy; Do you have anything else you think we'd like to see yet?

sintau.tayua wrote:
The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

@sintau.tayua; What else do you know about Psinu that probably belongs on this thread?
Thanks.

Old Man Neek wrote:
TomHChappell wrote:

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.
The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.
The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:
* A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
* An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
* Direction.
This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.
The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.
When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.
Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.
I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

@You, Neek ('cause there is only one of you); Oh, yes, it surely does help; thanks. Have you been able to expand the vocabulary yet to any other names of organs that you'd like us to see? If so, where can we look for them?

-Klaivas- wrote:
Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!
Head - dú
Nose - amar
Eye - škíol
Mouth - armu
Ear - níu
Chin - va
Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd
Throat / Neck - damá
Shoulder - issun
Chest / Stomach - núa
Sides - gatod
Back - rammrót
Hip / Waist - fúv
Arm / Leg - skaro
Back of arm / Back of leg - orga
Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét
Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull
Finger / Toe - ram
Knee / Elbow - aitait
Flaccid penis - pelúa
Erect penis - lakkuš
Scrotum / Testes - ssap
'Gooch' - emrát
Vagina - tlaš a feu
Anus - tlaš
Buttock - mappíok

Thanks, -Klaivas-.
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".
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The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif
Hand kamr
Eye axr
Tongue lis
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TomHChappell wrote:
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
Haha, but of course they (I) do What else would I call it? Area-between-anus-and-front-genetalia ( etde-om-tlašos-om-[pelúas/lakkušos/tlaš-a-feus] ) ?
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TomHChappell wrote:
I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch.
I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".

When I was growing up, the male version was a "choad." (Hrm, can't blame that on regional differences either, can I?) But since then I've been introduced to the word "taint" ('t ain't one end and 't ain't the other) which appears to be gender-neutral.
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nebula wind phone wrote:
the male version was a "choad."
I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a penis which is wider than it is long".

Also, use thy "t"s consistently! 'T ain't one end and 't ain't t' other
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-Klaivas- wrote:
What else would I call it?

Perineum. Having kids introduces you to vocabulary you never knew existed.
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Amsel wrote:
The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif
Hand kamr
Eye axr
Tongue lis

You're doing well in other semantic fields; and in this one you're at least four ahead of me.
Thanks.
We'll be looking forward to seeing/hearing your expanded list.
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-Klaivas- wrote:
nebula wind phone wrote:
the male version was a "choad."
I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a which is wider than it is long".

Well, I wasn't "brought up" with the term, but I'd seen "choad" used to mean "jism" (or "semen" or "seed" or "ejaculate"(the noun)).
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Has anyone got anything new?
Has anyone who hasn't posted yet got anything responsive to the first 10 or 15 posts?
Has anyone who has already posted got anything new they haven't posted yet that fits in with the first 10 or so posts?
Does anyone want to change anything?
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What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?
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No offense, but I think nearly everyone will vote to let it die. It's not that it's not a great thread, it's just that hey, if we do it for this thread, why not 99 others? And then the museum would just be hard to browse though. I saved the thread to my hard drive though.
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So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?
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Wycoval wrote:
So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

booger slide?
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TomHChappell wrote:
What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?

I was happy to move the kinterms thread to the Museum because it contains some very useful information on the way different languages divide up the "kinship space" differently and how this correlates to cultural factors. I can't see any corresponding justification for indexing this thread; it's a nice collection, but it is just a collection of vocabulary from our conlangs.
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Wycoval wrote:
So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

A Uvula. Remember Google is your friend!

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Sorry, no.
The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

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Philtrum.
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Philtrum.

Obviously, we need to find a better English word for it. None of this Latiny-Greeky nonsense.
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Cénárol

nava- foot (pl. navam)*
paldo- hand (pl. paldom)*
qar'ta- finger
hir'da- head
ristai- arm (pl. ristím)**
nif- leg (pl. nífu)*

*NOTE: These terms are pluralized in the dual form only, unless when referenced in a group of people

**NOTE: Cénárol sound rule- ai>í
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Rav Shimon wrote:
Sorry, no.
The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

Oh then I have no idea what he's talking about nor what it looks like.

EDIT: Now that I've seen the pic I know what it is and what it looks like. Now I have a question:

What purpose does it serve?

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Serali wrote:
What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.
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Here are the words for body parts I have for Terpish so far:

Bol — belly
Jok — eye
Klit — clitoris
Kof — head
Kor — heart
Liöshan — brain
Mumbe — butt
Piej — foot

Naturally, the Terps understand biology well enough to understand the appropriate place for the seat of emotion and consciousness (the brain).
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boy #12 wrote:
Serali wrote:
What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

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Rav Shimon
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
Location: Sydney
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:00 am Post subject:

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Serali wrote:
WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

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Atalant
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:20 am Post subject:

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Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible
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Qwynegold
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Joined: 24 May 2007
Location: Sweden
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

Soap wrote:

--Fat blampilpim

lol

Sorry, I didn't intend to be mean, that word just sounds funny. Blampilpim.
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boy #12
Tšur

Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Location: Brooklyn/Vassar College, Poughkeepsie, NY
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Qwynegold wrote:
What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.
-Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle."
-The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye.
-The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg.
-"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc.
-The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."
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Atalant
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject:

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Ok, here's a tricky question*: where's the canthus?

*extra points if you don't use wikipedia.
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Serali
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Joined: 26 Feb 2006
Location: New York City
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject:

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Rav Shimon wrote:
Serali wrote:
WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

Thanks! Never knew that!

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Shm Jay
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Joined: 14 Nov 2002
Location: 5.4.5.2
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject:

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Eddy wrote:
Klit — clitoris

Now why would they have borrowed this word?

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Eddy
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Joined: 11 Aug 2003
Location: In the middle of the American empire
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject:

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Now why would they have borrowed this word?

Same reason why English did? Actually, I was lazy and didn't feel like coining a new word at the time (happens a lot with Terpish).
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Qwynegold
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Joined: 24 May 2007
Location: Sweden
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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boy #12 wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:
What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.
-Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle."
-The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye.
-The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg.
-"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc.
-The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."

Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?
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boy #12
Tšur

Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Location: Brooklyn/Vassar College, Poughkeepsie, NY
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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Qwynegold wrote:
Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.
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Imralu
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Joined: 28 Mar 2006
Location: here
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject:

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In Zali ["Zali]

Body tem [tEm]
-Blood vessel
--Artery
--Vein
-Material of which it is composed pu [pu] (just means "stuff", "material")
--Bone zaik [Zajk]
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
--Skin
--Muscle mad [mad]
--Fat
--Blood eik [Ejk]
-Trunk (torso) jul [dZUl]
--Chest bus [bUS]
---Heart
---Lung
--Abdomen or Belly taun [tawn]
---Stomach
---Liver
---Spleen
---Intestines
--Waist edil ["EdIl]
-Neck stiv [StIv]
-Extremity
--Head pok [pOk]
---Hair iki ["iki] (= hair on head), tal [tal] (= hair on body, fur, general word for hair)
---Ear cok [tSOk]
----Earhole cokdvad ["tSOkdvad]
----Earlobe?
---Eye og [Og]
----Eyeball ogwel ["OgwEl]
-----Iris
-----Pupil ognol ["OgnOl] (= "eyeblack")
-----Sclera ogaigu ["Ogajgu] (= "eyewhite")
----Eyebrow
----Eyelid
-----Eyelash ogtal ["Ogtal] (= "eyehair")
----Eye socket ogdvad ["Ogdvad] (= "eyehole")
----Tear gland
---Nose penk [pENk]
----Nostril penkdvad ["pENkdvad]
---Mouth sab [Sab] (= externally visible part of the mouth, ie. the lips), cik [tSIk] (= oral cavity)
----Jaw
-----Maxilla (upper jaw)
-----Mandible (lower jaw)
----Tooth (!I think I had a word for this, but lost it when I lost my dictionary)
-----Incisor
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
-----Molar (and/or premolar?)
----Tongue lamil ["lamIl]
--Limb
---Arm cad [tSad]
----Shoulder zut [ZUt]
----Elbow cadwelik ["tSadwElIk] (= "armjoint")
----Wrist logwelik ["lOgwElIk] (= "handjoint")
----Humerus (upper arm) yalcad ["jaltSad] (= "toparm")
----Lower Arm loncad ["lOntSad] (= "bottomarm")
----Hand log [lOg]
-----Palm
---Leg duk [dUk]
----Hip pois [pOjS]
----Knee dukwelik ["dUkwElIk] (= "legjoint")
----Ankle dezwelik ["dEZwElIk] (= "footjoint")
----Thigh (upper leg) yalduk ["jaldUk]
----Shin hilag ["hilag] (= shin, bony part at front), oboz ["ObOZ] (= calf, muscular part at back), lenduk ["lEndUk] (= "bottomleg")
----Foot dez [dEZ]
-----Sole dezlen ["dEZlEn] (= "footbottom")
-----Heel
-----Ball
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) ix [Its]
---Nail vask [vaSk]
----Fingernail log(ix)vask ["lOg(Its)vaSk] (= "hand(digit)nail")
----Toenail dez(ix)vask ["dEZ(Its)vaSk] (= "foot(digit)nail")
---Toe dezix ["dEZIts] (= "footdigit")
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) darix ["dazIts] (= "bigdigit"), dadezix ["dadEZIts] (= "bigfootdigit")
----Pinky toe or little toe posxirix ["pOStsizIts] (= "mostlittledigit")
----Other individual toes? xidezix ["tsidEZIts] (= "littlefootdigit")
---Thumb zadix ["ZadIts] (= "importantdigit")
----Thumbnail zadixvask ["ZadItsvaSk] (= "importantdigitnail")
---Finger logix ["lOgIts]
----Index finger
----Pinky finger
----Middle finger
----Ring finger
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
---Female en [En]
----vagina munu ["munu]
----womb
---male az [aZ]
----penis wung [wUN]
----testicle
-Side vel
--Back (!don't remember offhand)
--Front (!don't remember offhand)
--Left
--Right
--Bottom (lower) len- ["lEn-]
--Top (upper) yal- ["jal-]
-Orifices
--anus dumfdvad ["dUmfdvad] (= "arsehole")
--urethral meatus?

Other
breast, boob bumba ["bUmba]
arse, buttocks, bum dumf ["dUmf]
skull pokzaik ["pOkZajk] (= "headbone")

As for the other questions - they are much like us, technologically and scientifically advanced, so they know the true function of each organ, but much like us, although they know the true situation, there still remain certain cultural attachments to organs. The heart and guts are the home of the emotions - the heart beats faster with just about any intense emotion, and when it gets even more intense, the stomach aches. Consciousness was associated with the eyes, although it then became associated with the brain because people who had lost their eyes still reported being conscious - the brain was the obvious choice, being behind the eyes, and able to see through them.
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Imralu
Šalea

Joined: 28 Mar 2006
Location: here
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject:

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boy #12 wrote:
I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

In my family, it was always called the "dribble drain", which kind of doesn't make sense, because ... um, gravity goes down, so ... I don't know.

Some guy in a pub told me one night that that was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ...
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Qwynegold
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Joined: 24 May 2007
Location: Sweden
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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boy #12 wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:
Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.

OK, now I understand. Thx!
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simon.clarkstone
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Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Location: England
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject:

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Atalant wrote:
Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible

There are several conspecies around who cannot pronounce labials, and they don't seem to mind. Ollock's Xala, for a start.
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simon.clarkstone
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Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Location: England
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

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boy #12 wrote:
Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.

The oxygenation state is the other way round in the vessels going between the heart and the lungs. I dunno how it works before being born.

Oh, add "placenta" to the list if you want.
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TomHChappell
Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005
Location: South-East Michigan
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:10 am Post subject:

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Thanks, mavonduri, eddy, soap, imralu

Imralu wrote:
Some guy in a pub told me one night that that [the philtrum] was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ...
I heard that Plato or the Platonists said it was the "cavern angel" telling each newly-reborn soul not to tell any memories of its former lives.

So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list?
uvula
philtrum
artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart)
vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart)
portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart)
brain
back of the neck
front of the neck
back of the head
forehead
wisdom tooth
canthus
clitoris
breast
buttock
butt
skull
placenta
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Soap
Šalea

Joined: 16 Feb 2003
Location: Soapatopia
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:16 am Post subject:

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Atalant wrote:
Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible
No philtrums on some Fetal Alcohol Syndrome people, but Ive never heard them have a problem with labial consonants.

I'll put up the Izda Mir body parts soon. (They'll be pretty similar to Pabappa's.)
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Qwynegold
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Location: Sweden
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:39 am Post subject:

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Here are the words in Lhueslue:

Body lu /lu:/ (human), rhu /ɻu:/ (animal)
-Blood vessel ueshie-echul /yʃə:etʃu:l/ (human), ueshie-echurh /yʃə:etʃuɻ/ (animal)
--Artery ueshie-echulxhe /yʃə:etʃulxe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhxhe /yʃə:etʃuɻxe:/ (animal)
--Vein ueshie-echulqe /yʃə:etʃulqe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhqe /yʃə:etʃuɻqe:/ (animal)
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone pujchul /puʒtʃu:l/ (human), pujchurh /puʒtʃu: ɻ/ (animal)
--Gristle or cartilage pubchul /pubtʃu:l/ (human), pubchurh /pubtʃu: ɻ/ (animal)
--Skin xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonynous with front side of body), xhuchurh /xutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Muscle euchul /eutʃu:l/ (human), euchurh /eutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Fat bee-chulu /bɛ:tʃulu:/ (human), bee-churhu /bɛ:tʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Blood ueshie /yʃə:/
-Trunk (torso) yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Chest yuyuchulu /jujutʃulu:/ (human), yuxhuchurhu /juxutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
---Heart ije /iʒe:/
---Lung hichul /hitʃu:l/ (human), hichurh /hitʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Abdomen or Belly zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as stomach), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as stomach)
---Stomach zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as abdomen and belly), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as abdomen and belly)
---Liver ueshie-juch /yʃə:ʒutʃ/
---Spleen tyueshie-juch /tjyʃə:ʒutʃ/
---Intestines lhunyejuch /ðˡunjeʒutʃ/
--Waist ungtudlu /uŋtudlu:/ (human), ungtudrhu /uŋtudɻu:/ (animal)
-Neck huzchul /huztʃu:l/ (human), huzchurh /huztʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-Extremity chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as limb and bodypart), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as limb and bodypart)
--Head chyuel /tʃjy:l/ (human), chyuerh /tʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)
---Hair bochyul /botʃju:l/ (human), borh /bo:ɻ/ (animal, actually fur)
---Ear su /su:/
----Earhole sujung-ie /suʒuŋə:/
----Earlobe zungsu /zuŋsu:
---Eye wu /wu:/
----Eyeball wubuzuytud /wubuzujtu:d/
-----Iris wu-wuech /wu:wytʃ/
-----Pupil wu-miewuech /wu:məwytʃ/
-----Sclera wu-fwueh /wu:fwyh/
----Eyebrow boywu /bojwu:/
----Eyelid wuyeung /wujeuŋ/
-----Eyelash bowu /bowu:/
----Eye socket wujung-iechyuel /wuʒuŋətʃjy:l/ (human), wujung-iechyuerh /wuʒuŋətʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)
----Tear gland -
---Nose nyu /nju:/
----Nostril nyujung-ie /njuʒuŋə:/
---Mouth znu /znu:/
----Jaw zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) yuzuchyul /juzutʃju:l/ (human), yuzuchyurh /juzutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Mandible (lower jaw) zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human, same as jaw), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal, same as jaw)
----Tooth poznu /poznu:/
-----Incisor poznuxhu /poznuxu:/
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth poznupú /poznupǔ:/
-----Molar poznutud /poznutu:d/ (both molar and premolar), qupoznutud /qupoznutu:d/ (molar only)
-----Premolar xhupoznutud /xupoznutu:d/
----Tongue nub /nub/
--Limb/bodypart chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as extremity), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as extremity)
---Arm zyux /zjuχ/
----Shoulder xa /χa:/
----Elbow jungzyux /ʒuŋzjuχ/
----Wrist xua /χua/
----Humerus (upper arm) yux /juχ/
----Lower Arm zux /zuχ/
----Hand xu /χu:/
-----Palm xuz /χuz/
---Leg zechul /zetʃu:l/ (human), zechurh /zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Hip azuchulu /azutʃulu:/ (human), azuchurhu /azutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
----Knee jungzechul /ʒuŋzetʃu:l/ (human), jungzechurh /ʒuŋzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Ankle chae-pyuzechul /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-pyuzechurh /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Thigh (upper leg) yuzechul /juzetʃu:l/ (human), yuzechurh /juzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Shin -
----Foot chae-zechul /tʃæ:zetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zechurh /tʃæ:zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Sole chae-zuzechul /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zuzechurh /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Heel chae-quzechul /tʃæ:quzetʃu:l (human), chae-quzechurh /tʃæ:quzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
-----Ball -
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) chochulu /tʃotʃulu:/ (human), chochurhu /tʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal)
---Nail puchochulu /putʃotʃulu:/ (human); puchochurhu /putʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal, also means claw)
----Fingernail puchoxu /putʃoχu:/
----Toenail puchozechul /putʃozetʃu:l/ (human)
---Toe chozechul /tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), chozechurh /tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) ochozechul /otʃozetʃu:l/ (human), ochozechurh /otʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Pinky toe or little toe oe-chozechul /ø:tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), oe-chozechurh /ø:tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
----Second toe chozechulowu /tʃozetʃulowu:/ (human), chozechurhowu /tʃozetʃuɻowu:/ (animal)
----Third toe chozechuloqaxh /tʃozetʃuloqa:χ/ (human), chozechurhoqaxh /tʃozetʃuɻoqa:χ/ (animal)
----Fourth toe chozechulo-rhuength /tʃozetʃulo:ɻyŋθ/ (human), chozechurho-rhuength /tʃozetʃuɻo:ɻyŋθ/ (animal)
---Thumb choxutud /tʃoχutu:d/ (human), choxu-oeue /tʃoχu:øy/ (animal)
----Thumbnail puchoxutud /putʃoχutu:d/
---Finger choxu /tʃoχu:/
----Index finger choxuowu /tʃoχuowu:/
----Pinky finger oe-choxu /ø:tʃoχu:/
----Middle finger choxuoqaxh /tʃoχuoqa:x/
----Ring finger choxuo-rhuength /tʃoχuoɻyŋθ/
--genitalia vichul /vitʃu:l/ (human), vichurh /vitʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
---female ci /ɕi:/
----vagina ciljung-ie /ɕilʒuŋə:/ (human), cirhjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋə:/ (animal)
----womb iájung-ie /iǎ:ʒuŋə:/
---male ri /ri:/
----penis vichri /vitʃri:/
----testicle buzuytudri /buzujtudri:/
-Side tud /tu:d/
--Back quchul /qutʃu:l/ (human), yuchurh /jutʃu:ɻ/ (animal)
--Front xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonymous with skin), zuchurh /zutʃu:ɻ/ (animal, actually underside)
--Left tu /tu:/
--Right du /du:/
--Lower zuchulu (human) /zutʃulu:/, quchurhu /qutʃuɻu:/ (animal)
--Upper yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human, same as torso), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as torso)
-Orifices chulujung-ie /tʃuluʒuŋə:/ (human), churhujung-ie /tʃuɻuʒuŋə:/ (animal)
--anus jung-ieqae /ʒuŋəqæ:/
--urethral meatus vichrijung-ie /vitʃriʒuŋə:/ (male), ciljungjung-ie /ɕilʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (human, female) cirhjungjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (animal, female)

Heh! This is probably the only language that has three words for urethral meatus.

But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?
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Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a fully developed conlang with nearly as much /u/ as that. Is it because you just like /u/ or did you do it to set this language apart from others in your conworld?
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Heh! I didn't intend it to become so common from the beginning. In Lhueslue every phoneme bears a meaning and /u/ means material. As it happened, almost every noun gets an /u/.
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Thanks, Qwynegold.
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If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum?
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Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here. Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe. But the way it is now; nah.
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TomHChappell wrote:
Thanks, Qwynegold.
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If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum?

Your welcome. Oh, and I had some questions too:
Qwynegold wrote:
But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?

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Qwynegold wrote:
But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understand the picture.
Tears are the watery, salty secretion that keeps the eyes moist. The bulk of the refracting of light during focussing is done by a thin veil of tears; the lens just fine-tunes it. Tears also contain protein (and FAIK other biological ingredients); that is why it is necessary to clean contact lenses once a day.
When the eye is irritated the production and flow of tears is increased, to the point that they leak out of the eye; the usual result is to wash out whatever is irritating the eye. When someone weeps, they often over-produce tears this same way.
Tear-glands (aka lacrimal glands) are in the upper outer corners of the eyes. In the lower inner corners of the eyes are ducts that ordinarily take tears down into the nose; if the tear-glands aren't overproducing, this is where tears usually are disposed of.

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And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?
Just think either "bottom of body" and "top of body", or "lower half of body" and "upper half of body". If you want two pairs of terms, go ahead and provide both. Otherwise take your pick.

aardwolf wrote:
Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here.

If more people responded to the following questions, would it?

I wrote:
Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
(I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?
Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?
Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

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Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe.
Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?
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OK, I added upper and lower body to my post. I guess my conlang won't have a word for tear gland since it's something you can't see so the conpeople wouldn't know about it.
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TomHChappell wrote:
aardwolf wrote:
Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe.
Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?

I think you'd need things like discussion of (systematic) cultural associations (e.g. your original questions about the seat of emotion, etc.), strong cross-linguistic tendencies (always distinguishing certain body parts or not, words for the genitals being taboo/impolite), and derivation (e.g. how my conlang Old Gzho uses the same word for "arm" and "hand", but can also refer to the arm as the "hand-neck"). Also usage of body part terms for other things, i.e. verbal affixes, locative/directional expressions, etc. And investigating how changes to body structure would affect language, e.g. having no lips wouldn't just mean a lack of labial consonants - you also wouldn't be able to produce rounded vowels, which could have a big affect on the vowel inventory.
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I'm glad this thread is still around--I was thinking I might have to rederive all the Sdannískr body words, which would be irritating (and time-consuming, for that matter). I think this thread has just increased my new lexicon by half, or just about.
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I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.
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guitarplayer wrote:
I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.

Which items did you add? I'm pretty sure I included, or added, some of those; tear gland, upper and lower jaw, thigh, shin, two of the toes and "other individual toes?", and each of the fingers. I'm not sure what a shank is. I didn't include the calf, I don't think; I guess I should. I included the hips; I didn't distinguish the buttocks from the hips. I didn't get into internal organs that a layman couldn't tell were there and doing things without opening up the body; so that's why I left out the ovaries and the prostate, though I include the womb and the testes.

My last update on that was July 15 on Page 4.
TomHChappell wrote:
So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list?
uvula
philtrum
artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart)
vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart)
portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart)
brain
back of the neck
front of the neck
back of the head
forehead
wisdom tooth
canthus
clitoris
breast
buttock
butt
skull
placenta

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I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually
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My small dictionary has some basic body parts but nothing specific like artery.

ANKLE = TĀMA
ARM = RŌTA
BLOOD = PĀTA
CHEST = ShŌMĀ
ELBOW = JeĪTŌ

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guitarplayer wrote:
I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually :P
I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.
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TomHChappell wrote:
I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.

Ah, I see.

[edit] My list, so far [/edit]
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guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.
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TomHChappell wrote:
guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.

I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page.

*is puzzled*
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Rodlox wrote:
TomHChappell wrote:
guitarplayer wrote:
http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far
Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.
I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page. *is puzzled*
If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to.
That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?
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TomHChappell wrote:
If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to.
That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?

I guess that my host doesn't allow direct linking to files other than HTML, just like Geocities. So much for free hosting.
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TomHChappell wrote:

That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it.
Did you try pasting the URL?

not yet - *goes to try it*

thanks.
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I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:

For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use. Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.

People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. (I am thinking of Ilaksh in particular. How about it JQP? )
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What a smart idea!
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simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

simon.clarkstone wrote:
For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use.
For humans I don't believe more than 16 compass points in a plane are natural.
For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

simon.clarkstone wrote:
Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.
Are your Kigdatsi human?

simon.clarkstone wrote:
People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ...
Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker.
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Hel·lerà / Helleran

Body tol, estou

Blood guès
Blood vessel cabinyol guesetz “blood vessel”
Artery maxarva
Vein ôued

Bone tot
Cartilage martel•let
Skeleton gargamol, gaugamol

Skin fiu
Muscle rambe
Fat (corporal) lhud
Tendon tirant

Head pot, tuc, tuys, syet, arsyet (m), tuche, tutze (f)
Hair togès
Hair (a fiber) bli
Skull golag (m/f)
cranium raz
Neck lleg, nyoc

Ear onze, osye, oge
Earhole bosit na s’onze “hole of the ear”
Earlobe lhob na s’onze “lobe of the ear”

Eye oc, oig, uoc
Iris gavi
Pupil chelandé
Sclera bel na s’oc “white of the eye”; cýncolis (neolog)
Eyebrow tirse
Eyelid pedillou
Eyelash goume
Eye socket bou na s’oc “socket of the eye”
Tear gland dragole

Nose per
Nostril bosit nas per “hole of the nose”

Mouth tamà
Cheek guys
Jaw radagame (sg) or radagames (pl)
Maxilla (upper jaw) berosti
Mandible (lower jaw) carmazzi
Tooth gam
Incisor cartalh, gartalh “central incisor”; cartalet, gortalet “lateral incisor”
Eyetooth or Canine tooth anhac
Molar cheral “molar, second molar”; cheraló “first molar”
Tongue lheme. But "language, idiom" is lhambe
Lip jami

Trunk bros
Chest tor
Abdomen mablada
Belly beli
Lower abdomen naig beli “lower belly”; sabel

Heart lhò
Lung beloi
Stomach mansaghe
Liver sagé
Spleen vèdem
Intestines ganyalons (pl.)

Extremity, limb estighiu; espadelhe

Waist caradanç
Pelvis cadanche or tot nas caradanç “bone of the waist”
Buttock dabons (pl.) / dabó, bono and guys nas sat “cheek of the butt”
Bum, arse, butt sat
Hip bemuc
Leg (from hip to ankle) gambe
Thigh (upper leg, from hip to knee) gamays
Knee golde
Kneecap, patella gavanhol
Shank (lower leg, from knee to ankle) garme
Shin astanye
Calf tonsim na s’astanye “doughy part of the shin”
Ankle poghet
Foot pedh, madà
Heel garou
Sole mad

Shoulder espambelh (traditional), espemble (neolog)
Arm (from shoulder to wrist) ram
Arm (from shoulder to elbow) ramec
Elbow ajoc
Arm (from elbow to wrist) ramell
Wrist arbou
Hand badh
Palm pançou

Digit gartembi, cartempe (neolog)
Finger, toe ghez (traditional)
Toe (foot digit) ghez nas pedh “finger of the foot”
Finger (hand digit) ghez nas badh “finger of the hand”
Ball tonsim nas ghez “doughy part of the finger”
Thumb tigarembi, tigampó, garampó
Index finger ghez casarteu “managing/governative/guiding finger”
Middle finger ghez perís “middle finger”
Ring finger ghez nigançant “dependent finger”
Little finger ghez polzuc “small finger”

Genitalia zinyaroncs
Vagina begane
Womb gameu
Penis gozzi (traditional); felghe (neolog)
Testicle galló
Anus guada
Urethral meatus dragavàrie

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Does Helleran use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).

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Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of life?

Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of emotion?

The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.

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What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of consciousness?

The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body.
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TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

North
North-one-quarter-east
North-by-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-north
North-north-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-east
North-east-by-north
North-east-one-quarter-north
North-east
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Rav Shimon wrote:

North
North-one-quarter-east
North-by-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-north
North-north-east
North-north-east-one-quarter-east
North-east-by-north
North-east-one-quarter-north
North-east
&c

Hmm. I thought halfway between North and North-by-East was "North-a-half-East" rather than "North-a-quarter-East". And so on. You are making the (N,S,E,W,NE,NW,SE,SW)-by-(N,S,E,W) be half-points instead of points.
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North, north-north-east, north-east &c are the sixteen primary points of a compass. Halfway between north and north-north-east is north-by-east (that is, the next half-point east of north), and half of that (half of half being a quarter) is north-one-qaurter-east (said point being one quarter of the way from north to the next point in an easterly direction).
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TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:
I'm only familiar with 32 points.
I could have been wrong about that, but the details don't matter here.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use.
For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

The system would necessarily be as irregular and wonky as the body is. Fortunately, their limbs all have the same basic structure, so analogising could reduce the set of needed roots. (It is not the same as the pentadactyl limb system.)

TBH I am not sure how I will actually do this, or how similar to the compass system it would actually be, though cylindrical co-ordinates look promising. I mean that (e.g.) there would be no root for "elbow", but something derived from "wrist" and "shoulder". And "knee" and one of the wing-joints would be the same word, with just one part changed because they are on different limbs. Or you could refer to (e.g.) "the bottom half of the upper-right quadrant of your back" in a simple way.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.
Are your Kigdatsi human?
No. They are not even evolved, but designed. This makes them odd in many ways, though mostly good ones. It also means I will need terms for secondary brains, telekinesis organs, etc.

TomHChappell wrote:
simon.clarkstone wrote:
People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ...
Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker.
Nice. Not available for inter-conworld cooperation over at conworlds.info are you?
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I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
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Izo wrote:
Hel·lerà / Helleran
---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks.
Izo wrote:
....Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).
....
Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.
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Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.
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The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.
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The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body.
I found these especially interesting.

Zoris wrote:
I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?
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TomHChappell wrote:
Izo wrote:
Hel·lerà / Helleran
---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks.
Izo wrote:
[...]
I found these especially interesting.

Thanks to you!

TomHChappell wrote:
Zoris wrote:
I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word?
I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?

Why not? I included it in the expansion of the Helleran Lexicon of Human Anatomy, which I will post in this thread as soon as I complete it (what I included on my last post was based on your list): it will include more organs, bodyparts and substances, including the names for all human bones and muscles, and a deep view of every major organ system.

The list, as I will show it, represents the medical knowledge of human anatomy as it was in the time where my novels take place.
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imbecilica
Mey

Joined: 10 Jan 2008

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:

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UROBASICAN

Body Corpo
-Blood vessel Vessilo de Sango
--Artery Arterio
--Vein Veîno
-Material of which it is composed
--Bone Oso
--Cartilage Cartilagio
--Skin Pelo
--Muscle Musclo
--Fat Lipido
--Blood Sango
-Trunk (torso) Trongo/Torso
--Chest Caffro
---Heart Coro
---Lung Pomeno
--Abdomen or Belly Abdomeno
---Stomach Estomaco
---Liver Fusjo
---Spleen Kescauro
---Intestines Intesnós
--Waist Dasrão
-Neck Collo
-Extremity
--Head Testo
---Hair Cavero
---Ear Orelo
----Earhole Casemo d'Orelo
----Earlobe? Lûbe
---Eye Optro
----Eyeball Globo d'Optro
-----Iris Iris
-----Pupil Pupiro
-----Sclera Sclera
----Eyebrow Sobbrio
----Eyelid Pardigo
-----Eyelash Cyliu
----Eye socket Domecco d'Optro
----Tear gland Glando dè Plurós
---Nose Neso
----Nostril Nestrilo
---Mouth Boco
----Jaw Macco
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla
-----Mandible (lower jaw) Mandiblo
----Tooth Dento
-----Incisor Incisèro
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Primca dento
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) Molaro
----Tongue Languo
--Limb Omembrio
---Arm Ièbro
----Shoulder Costrio
----Elbow Vikastrio
----Wrist Pristão
----Humerus (upper arm) Humerus
----Lower Arm L'ièbro surina
----Hand Maño
-----Palm Paumo
---Leg J'azabo
----Hip Fahjo
-----buttock Destro
----Knee Noremo
----Ankle Cavliniro
----Thigh (upper leg) Ecaustro
----Shank Shánk
-----Shin Shimno
-----Calf Vecravo
----Foot Pedio
-----Sole Sôle
-----Heel Talono
-----Ball Balo
--Digit Dijéto
---Nail Otrís
----Fingernail Otrís de Dijéto
----Toenail Otrís de Puçavo
---Toe Puçavo
----Pollex Pollexo
----Pinky toe or little toe Granda Puçavo
----Other individual toes? None
---Thumb Puço
----Thumbnail Otrís de Puço
---Finger Dijéto
----Index finger Dijéto Indexo
----Pinky finger Dijéto Pestanda
----Middle finger Dijéto Midiena
----Ring finger Dijéto d'Annilo
---female femaraia
----vagina vajno
----womb utero
---male maraia
----penis peneso/penetraso/pestaso
----testicle testicuro
-Side Visjeiro
--Back Destra
--Front Avastra
--Left Gosca
--Right Diréjito
--Bottom (lower) Subina
--Top (upper) Surina
-Orifices Orifiçós
--anus anús

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Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):

My apologies, this was a neat table

In, inside of - Tendet (heart) /ˈtɛndət/
Out, outside of - Twizo (shell, skull) /ˈtwizoʊ/
Around (static) - Natan (skin, bark) /natɔn/
Through (static) - Ped (stick, rod) /pɛd/
On top of, Over (static) - Miye (hair) /ˈmijə/
Above, Over (static) - Aol (cloud) /ɔβ̞͡ɫ/
Underneath - Bundu (underside) /ˈbɵndʊw/
Below - Neeza (grass) /ˈniza/
Beside, Next to - Stabed (arm) /ˈstabəd/
In front of - Danćod (chest) /ˈdɔntɕɔd/
Behind - Kee (back) /k͜xi/
At (in a place; at a moment) - Se /sə/
Over (dynamic) - Meyl (wing) /ˈmɛil/
Under, Before - Asper (water) /ˈaspər/
Through (dynamic), During, While being in - Ense (spear) /ˈɛnsə/
Past, After - Huś (wind) /hʊɕ/
From elsewhere towards here - Sitei (source of river) /ˈsiti/
Towards a specific location Ula (gaze) /ˈʊla/
Away from here - Pridas (buttocks) /ˈpridas/
Alongside - Dedomheyet (lover, lit hand-holder) /dədɔˈmejət/ < relatively recent addition to the pronoun list, con-historically
Off - Away, from touching - Donin (fall) /ˈdɔnɘn/
Into (place, area, state) - Raowemelek (field of view) /rɔwəˈmeilək/ (always makes me think 'raw milk')
Out of (place, area, state) - Meśa (leaf bud) /ˈmeiɕa/
Around (dynamic) - Malman (orbit) /ˈmɔlmɔn/, dynamic form of /ˈmɔlma/, hug
Moving around the inside of area or place - Sefse (sniff around) /ˈsɛfsə/

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And no, this is not a confusing system. Talanese requires articles for nouns pretty much all the time (because nouns themselves don't inflect much), and of course prepositions don't have articles. It all came to me when I was reading a rather interesting text that had something to do with perception of time, progress and motion in Mediaeval paintings in the library. Actually, my whole TAM system is built upon inspiration drawn from that!
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As for the body parts list, well... I haven't filled out much, yet, because I've chosen to do it elaborately. I have more words for body parts than there are on this list, but I just haven't reached them yet while filling it out!

Thanks for providing it, though.
Here's what I have so far (.htm converted from .doc) http://www.by002.net/~neuteboo/bodyparts.htm

I'll get there... some time!

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This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise!
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Izo
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Soap wrote:
This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise!

Two weeks ago I saw it was close of being pruned and I thought of posting here to retain it, but finally I forgot to do it... . Luckily I'm not the only one that will post soon here!
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Might it be a good idea to move this list to someplace it won't expire from, like a wiki? Maybe KneeQuickie? Or frathwiki? Or Chris Bates's linguistics wiki? Or the Conlang Wikia?
Or even L&L Museum?
I can move it to KneeQuickie, I think. I probably need Neek's permission first. Same with the others; maybe I can do it, but I probably need the owners' permission.
But I can't move it to the Museum.

dinnae wrote:
Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):
Hey, that's neat! Thanks.
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Quote:
I probably need Neek's permission first.
The KQ is down right now and Neek's doing basic training so he probably wont be able to fix it anytime soon. Nevertheless, I think that in the long term that or some other wiki might be a good idea.

Edit: the KQ is back; it looks like he has monthly bandwidth caps, and he exceeded it in April, but it's back now that it's May.
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Here's some of the body parts that I have in Danšlağ. I haven't really gotten specific with them, although I have got the "main" ones.

body- ri
nose- nopu
ear- yakušu
mouth- slata
eye- aslo
tongue- zabu
teeth- clač
tonsils- kakraku
neck- uxač
hair- skoru
head- baru
shoulder- tuŵ
arm- cura
hand- ğeš
finger- baklaŵer
fingernail- baklaŵeruka
thumb- kuku
chest- orka
breast- ğuš
stomach- iču
lungs- abačeraku
leg- laŵe
ankle- etai
foot- teš
toe- kuklaŵer
toenail- kaklaŵeruka
genital- irosi
penis- bamu
vagina- omaru

That's pretty much all I have so far. I'm sure I'll add more after reading this, though.
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject:

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Novegradian:

Body тѣло tiě́lo
-Blood vessel кревоносита жила krevonósita žíla (lit. "blood-carrying vessel")
--Artery артеря artiéria
--Vein вена véna
-Material of which it is composed матеряљ зе котраево состаулене materiáł ze kotrájevo sostáulene
--Bone кости kósti
--Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) хреце hréce
--Skin плоти plóti
--Muscle мишка míška
--Fat туке túke
--Blood крев krév
-Trunk (torso) торсе tórse
--Chest грандина дантина grándina dántina (lit. "breast cavity")
---Heart серце siérce
---Lung плуце plúce
--Abdomen or Belly желудок želudók (not distinguished from "stomach")
---Stomach желудок želudók
---Liver етро iétro
---Spleen слезени sleziéni
---Intestines есто iésto
--Waist таля tália
-Neck шия šíja
-Extremity концина kóncina
--Head глава gláva
---Hair власи vlási
---Ear оху óhu
----Earhole ---
----Earlobe? ---
---Eye око óko
----Eyeball оцное яблоко ócnoje iábloko (lit. "eye apple")
-----Iris оцное кољце ócnoje kołcé (lit. "eye ring")
-----Pupil оцней дѣде ócnej dědié (lit. "eye child")
-----Sclera бѣлое око bě́loje óko (lit. "white eye")
----Eyebrow брев brév
----Eyelid вѣко vě́ko
-----Eyelash ресница résnica or ресна résna
----Eye socket оцней доље ócnej dółe (lit. "eye pit")
----Tear gland слезная жлеза sléznaja žlezá
---Nose носе nóse
----Nostril носдера nosderá
---Mouth роте róte
----Jaw целусти célusti
-----Maxilla (upper jaw) верхеная целусти verhénaja célusti (lit. "upper jaw")
-----Mandible (lower jaw) нижная целусти nížnaja célusti (lit. "lower jaw")
----Tooth забе zábe
-----Incisor предней забе prédnej zábe (lit. "foretooth")
-----Eyetooth or Canine Tooth коле kóle
-----Molar (and/or premolar?) глауней забе gláunej zábe (lit. "headtooth")
----Tongue лизике lizíke
--Limb концина kóncina (not distinguished from "extremity")
---Arm рока róka (not distinguished from "hand")
----Shoulder плеѕо pledzó (not distinguished from "upper arm")
----Elbow лакоти lákoti
----Wrist подруцие podrucjé (lit. "beneath the hand")
----Humerus (upper arm) плеѕо pledzó (common usage, not distinguished from "shoulder") or надлакоцие nadlakocjé (lit. "above the elbow", in medical usage)
----Lower Arm предлакоцие predlakocjé (largely medical usage)
----Hand рока róka (not distinguished from "arm")
-----Palm длани dláni
---Leg нога nogá (not distinguished from "foot")
----Hip ланцо lancó
-----buttock (if different) заде záde (lit. "rear, behind")
----Knee колѣно kolě́no
----Ankle глезне glézne
----Thigh (upper leg) бедро bedró
----Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle) голени goléni (not distinguished from "shin")
-----Shin голени goléni (not distinguished from "shank")
-----Calf лиска líska
----Foot нога nogá (common usage, not distinguished from "leg") or пѣхе pě́he (largely medical usage)
-----Sole позпѣшие pozpěšjé (lit. "under the foot")
-----Heel пида pidá
-----Ball ---
--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) порсте pórste
---Nail ноготи nógoti
----Fingernail ноготи рокѣ nógoti rókě (lit. "nail on the hand")
----Toenail ноготи ногѣ nógoti nogiě́ (lit. "nail on the foot")
---Toe порсте на ногѣ pórste nogiě́ (lit. "digit on the foot")
----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) палоке ногѣ páloke nogiě́ (lit. "thumb on the foot")
----Pinky toe or little toe вейка ногѣ véjka nogiě́ (lit. "little digit on the foot")
----Other individual toes? -just find the equivalent finger name and add ногѣ; each finger name can refer to either the finger or the equivalent toe, though in common usage it is generally assumed that the hand is meant unless otherwise specified or context makes it clear
---Thumb палоке páloke
----Thumbnail ноготи палокѣ nógoti pálokě (lit. "nail on the thumb")
---Finger порсте pórste (like the individual fingers and toes, this term can refer to either a finger or toe in general, but by default is assumed to refer to the fingers)
----Index finger предовоке predovóke (lit. "the front one")
----Pinky finger вейка véjka (lit. "little twig")
----Middle finger срединоке sredinóke (lit. "the middle one")
----Ring finger безимѣнноке beziměnnóke (lit. "the unnamed one", a name you see in Russian and several Uralic languages)
--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! плодовии plodóviji (lit. "[organs for] producing offspring")
---female женески плодовии žéneski plodóviji
----vagina туло túlo
----womb трево trévo
---male мужески плодовии múžeski plodóviji
----penis шлене šléne (lit. "member")
----testicle яйѕок iajdzók (lit. "little egg")
-Side страна straná
--Back заде záde (for the back part of the body) or спина spína (for the actual back/spine)
--Front преде préde
--Left лѣво lě́vo
--Right право právo
--Bottom (lower) низе níze
--Top (upper) верхе vérhe
-Orifices отуоре ótuore
--anus задней отуоре zádnej ótuore (lit. "rear orifice")
--urethral meatus? --

Misc:
--lap љону łónu
--kidney нерка niérka
--bladder пуғири puğíri (lit. "bubble")
--brain мозгѣ mozgiě́
--lip осту óstu
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2007-09-13T18:53:58Z

Eldin raigmore: /* Old Adpihi's Consonants */

==Proto-Adpihi's Consonants==

Most of Proto-Adpihi's consonants, like all of Old and Middle Adpihi's and Reptigan's consonants, were on an egressive pulmonic airstream.

'''Pulmonic Consonants'''
{|
| || Bilabial || Labiodental || Dental || Alveolar || Postalveolar || Retroflex || Palatal || Velar || Uvular || Pharyngeal || Glottal
|-
| Plosive || [[Voiceless bilabial stop|p]] [[Voiced bilabial stop|b]] || || [[Voiceless dental stop|t̪]] [[Voiced dental stop|d̪]] || [[Voiceless alveolar stop|t]] [[Voiced alveolar stop|d]] || || || [[Voiceless palatal stop|c]] || [[Voiceless velar stop|k]] [[Voiced velar stop|ɡ]] || || || [[Glottal stop|ʔ]]
|-
| Nasal || [[Bilabial nasal|m]] || || [[Dental nasal|n̪]] || [[Alveolar nasal|n]] || || || [[Palatal nasal|ɲ]] || [[Velar nasal|ŋ]] ||
|-
| Trill || || || || [[Alveolar trill|r]] || || || ||
|-
| Tap or Flap || || || || || || [[Retroflex flap|ɽ]]
|-
| Fricative || || [[Voiceless labiodental fricative|f]] [[Voiced labiodental fricative|v]] || [[Voiceless dental fricative|θ]] || [[Voiceless alveolar fricative|s]] [[Voiced alveolar fricative|z]] || [[Voiceless postalveolar fricative|ʃ]] [[Voiced postalveolar fricative|ʒ]] || || || [[Voiceless velar fricative|x]] || || || [[Voiceless glottal fricative|h]]
|-
| Lateral fricative || || || || || || || ||
|-
| Approximant || [[Bilabial approximant|β̞]] || || || || || || [[Palatal approximant|j]] || || ||
|-
| Lateral approximant || || || || [[Lateral alveolar approximant|l]] || || || ||
|}

Proto-Adpihi apparently had one ejective consonant.

'''Non-pulmonic Consonants'''
{|
| Clicks || Voiced Implosives || Ejectives
|-
| || ||
|-
| || ||
|-
| || ||
|-
| || || [[Velar ejective|kʼ]] Velar
|-
| || ||
|}

Also there were, apparently;
[[Aspirated voiceless velar stop|kʰ]]
[[Aspirated voiceless bilabial stop|pʰ]]
[[Voiceless postalveolar affricate|t̠ʃ]]
[[Voiced postalveolar affricate|d̠ʒ]]

==Old Adpihi's Consonants==

All of Old and Middle Adpihi's and Reptigan's consonants, were on an egressive pulmonic airstream.

'''Pulmonic Consonants'''
{|
| || Bilabial || Labiodental || Dental || Alveolar || Postalveolar || Retroflex || Palatal || Velar || Uvular || Pharyngeal || Glottal
|-
| Plosive || [[Voiceless bilabial stop|p]] [[Voiced bilabial stop|b]] || || [[Voiceless dental stop|t̪]] [[Voiced dental stop|d̪]] || [[Voiceless alveolar stop|t]] [[Voiced alveolar stop|d]] || || || [[Voiceless palatal stop|c]] || [[Voiceless velar stop|k]] [[Voiced velar stop|ɡ]] || || || [[Glottal stop|ʔ]]
|-
| Nasal || [[Bilabial nasal|m]] || || [[Dental nasal|n̪]] || [[Alveolar nasal|n]] || || || [[Palatal nasal|ɲ]] || [[Velar nasal|ŋ]] ||
|-
| Trill || || || || [[Alveolar trill|r]] || || || ||
|-
| Tap or Flap || || || || || || [[Retroflex flap|ɽ]]
|-
| Fricative || || [[Voiceless labiodental fricative|f]] [[Voiced labiodental fricative|v]] || [[Voiceless dental fricative|θ]] || [[Voiceless alveolar fricative|s]] [[Voiced alveolar fricative|z]] || [[Voiceless postalveolar fricative|ʃ]] || || || [[Voiceless velar fricative|x]] || || || [[Voiceless glottal fricative|h]]
|-
| Lateral fricative || || || || || || || ||
|-
| Approximant || [[Bilabial approximant|β̞]] || || || || || || [[Palatal approximant|j]] || || ||
|-
| Lateral approximant || || || || [[Lateral alveolar approximant|l]] || || || ||
|}

Old and Middle Adpihi had no ejective consonants.

Old and Middle Adpihi had no aspirated consonants, nor any affricates.

==Old Adpihi's Vowels==

'''Vowels'''
{|
| || Front || || Central || || Back
|-
| Close || i || || || || u
|-
| || || || ||
|-
| Close-mid || || || || ||
|-
| || ɛ̝ || || || || ɔ̝
|-
| Open-mid || || || || ||
|-
| || || ||
|-
| Open || || || ɐ̞ || ||
|}

Talk:Faraneit

2007-07-23T13:41:52Z

Eldin raigmore: Base Twelve

Adpihi will also be base-twelve; they'll count the joints of the fingers (three joints per finger, four fingers per hand, so twelve joints per hand).

Talk:Velyan

2007-07-08T18:15:34Z

Eldin raigmore: I made some minor edits

Velyan

2007-07-08T18:10:58Z

Eldin raigmore: /* Orthography */ Changed ƞ to ŋ

Velyan is one of the two main [[Wikipedia:Classical_language|classical languages]] of the continent Pellargos, on the planet Máa. Máa is an alternate Earth planet.

==Phonology==
===Vowels===

There are 12 vowels, each of which can be short or long.

 
<div style="text-align: center;">

{| style="text-align: center; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1pt solid #c0c0c0;"
!colspan=11 style="text-align:center; background: #efefef;"| Vowels
|- style="vertical-align: center; font-size: x-small; height: 2em"
| ||colspan=2| Front ||colspan=2| Near-front ||colspan=2| Central ||colspan=2| Near-back ||colspan=2| Back
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| High || {{IPA|i}} || {{IPA|y}} || || || || || || || || {{IPA|u}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Near-high || || || || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| High-mid || || || {{IPA|e}} || {{IPA|ø}} || || || || || || {{IPA|o}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Mid || || || || || {{IPA|ə}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Low-mid || || || {{IPA|ɛ}} || {{IPA|œ}} || || || || || || {{IPA|ɔ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Near-low || || || {{IPA|æ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Low || || || || || {{IPA|a}}
|}

</div>

=== Consonants ===

 
<div style="text-align: center;">

{| style="text-align: center; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1pt solid #c0c0c0;"
!colspan=17 style="text-align:center; background: #efefef;"| Consonants
|- style="vertical-align: center; font-size: x-small; height: 2em"
| ||colspan=2| Bilabial ||colspan=2| Labiod. ||colspan=2| Dental ||colspan=2| Alveolar ||colspan=2| Post-alv. ||colspan=2| Palatal ||colspan=2| Velar ||colspan=2|Uvular ||colspan=2| Glottal
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Nasal || || {{IPA|m}} || || || || {{IPA|n}} || || || || || || {{IPA|ɲ}} || {{IPA|ŋ}} ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Nasal || || {{IPA|mʲ}} || || || || {{IPA|nʲ}} || || || || || || || ŋʲ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Labialised Nasal || || {{IPA|mʷ}} || || || || {{IPA|nʷ}} || || || || || || {{IPA|ɲʷ}} || {{IPA|ŋʷ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Plosive || {{IPA|p}} ({{IPA|b}}) || || || || || {{IPA|t}} ({{IPA|d}}) || || || || || || {{IPA|c}} ({{IPA|ɟ}}) || {{IPA|k}} ({{IPA|g}}) || || {{IPA|q}} ({{IPA|ɢ}}) ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Aspirated Plosive || {{IPA|pʰ}} ({{IPA|bʰ}}) || || || || || {{IPA|tʰ}} ({{IPA|dʰ}}) || || || || || || || {{IPA|kʰ}} ({{IPA|gʰ}}) || || {{IPA|qʰ}} ({{IPA|ɢʰ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Palatalised Plosive || {{IPA|pʲ}} ({{IPA|bʲ}}) || || || || || {{IPA|tʲ}} ({{IPA|dʲ}}) || || || || || || || {{IPA|kʲ}} ({{IPA|gʲ}}) || || ({{IPA|qʲ}}) ({{IPA|ɢʲ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Plosive || {{IPA|pʷ}} ({{IPA|bʷ}}) || || || || || {{IPA|tʷ}} ({{IPA|dʷ}}) || || || || || || {{IPA|cʷ}} ({{IPA|ɟʷ}}) || {{IPA|kʷ}} ({{IPA|gʷ}}) || || {{IPA|qʷ}} ({{IPA|ɢʷ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Fricative || || || || || || {{IPA|s}} ({{IPA|z}}) || ({{IPA|ʃ}}) ({{IPA|ʒ}}) || || || || || ({{IPA|x}}) || {{IPA|h}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Fricative || || || || || || {{IPA|sʲ}} ({{IPA|zʲ}}) || {{IPA|ʃʲ}} ({{IPA|ʒʲ}}) || || || || || ({{IPA|xʲ}}) || ({{IPA|hʲ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Labialised Fricative || || || || || || {{IPA|sʷ}} ({{IPA|zʷ}}) || {{IPA|ʃʷ}} ({{IPA|ʒʷ}}) || || || || || ({{IPA|xʲ}}) || ({{IPA|hʷ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Approximant || {{IPA|ʋ}} || {{IPA|ʍ}} || || || {{IPA|ð}} || || || || || || || {{IPA|j}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Approximant || {{IPA|ʋʲ}}|| || || || {{IPA|ðʲ}} || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Approximant || || || || || {{IPA|ðʷ}} || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rː}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Aspirated Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rːʰ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rːʲ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Labialised Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rːʷ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Aspirated Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾʰ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Palatalised Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾʲ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾʷ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || {{IPA|l}} || || || || {{IPA|ʎ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Palatalised Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || {{IPA|lʲ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || {{IPA|lʷ}}
|}
</div>

===Vowel harmony===
===Consonant Gradation===
The phenomenon of ''consonant gradation'' arises due to a restriction in Velyan words, that prohibits a "strong" syllable from ending in a consonant. A '''strong syllable''' is a syllable that begins with a consonant and is preceded by another ending in (at least) one consonant. When this happens, the consonant or cluster at the beginning of the final syllable undergoes '''lenition''' or softening (although it can be historically explained as a process of '''fortition''' or hardening).

The following changes occur as a result of consonant gradation:
#Geminate phonemes change to simplex ones, e.g. ''tt'' -> ''t'', ''rr'' -> ''r'', ''ss'' -> ''s''.
#''w'' disappears and labialises the preceding consonant.
#''j'' disappears and palatalises the preceding consonant.
#''ḣ'' disappears and aspirates the preceding consonant.

Clusters change as follows:
#Nasals:
##Nasal + voiceless plosive changes to nasal + voiced plosive, e.g. ''mp'' -> ''mb'', ''nt'' -> ''nd'' (or ''nð'')
##Nasal + voiced plosive changes to geminate nasal, e.g. ''mb'' -> ''mm'', ''nd'' -> ''nn'', ''ŋg'' -> ''ŋŋ''
#Liquids:
##''lt'' -> ''ld'' (or ''lð'')
##''ld'' -> ''ll''
##''lp'' -> ''lv''
##''lkU'' -> ''lv''
##''rkU'' -> ''rv''
##''lkI'' -> ''lj''
##''rkI'' -> ''lj''
#Consonant clusters beginning with ''s'':
##''sp'' -> ''sv''
##''st'' -> ''*sr'' -> ''rs''
##''sk'' -> ''ss''
#Consonant clusters ending with ''s'':
##''ps'' -> ''*vs'' -> ''sv''
##''ts'' -> ''rs''
##''ks'' -> ''sy''
#Simplex consonants
##''t'' -> ''r'' (or ''ð'')
##''p'' -> ''v''
##''k'' -> Ø
##''iki'' -> ''iji''
##-UkU'' -> ''UvU''
##''v'' -> ''w''

==Orthography==
Below is a table of the IPA sounds of Velyan, with transcription.

{|
!IPA||Letter||IPA||Letter
|-
|{{IPA|a}}||a||{{IPA|ŋ}}||ŋ
|-
|{{IPA|æ}}||ä||{{IPA|o}}||o
|-
|{{IPA|b}}||b||{{IPA|ø}}||ö
|-
|{{IPA|c}}||c||{{IPA|ᴐ}}||ᴐ
|-
|{{IPA|d}}||d||{{IPA|œ}}||œ
|-
|{{IPA|e}}||e||{{IPA|p}}||p
|-
|{{IPA|ə}}||ə||{{IPA|q}}||q
|-
|{{IPA|ɛ}}||ɛ||{{IPA|ɾ}}||r
|-
|{{IPA|g}}||g||{{IPA|rː}}||rr
|-
|{{IPA|ɢ}}||ɠ||{{IPA|s}}||s
|-
|{{IPA|h}}||ḣ||{{IPA|ʃ}}||š
|-
|{{IPA|i}}||i||{{IPA|t}}||t
|-
|{{IPA|j}}||j||{{IPA|u}}||u
|-
|{{IPA|k}}||k||{{IPA|ʋ}}||v
|-
|{{IPA|l}}||l||{{IPA|ʍ}}||w
|-
|{{IPA|ʎ}}||ll||{{IPA|y}}||ÿ
|-
|{{IPA|m}}||m||{{IPA|z}}||z
|-
|{{IPA|n}}||n||{{IPA|ʒ}}||ž
|-
|{{IPA|ɲ}}||ñ||
|}

Notes:
#Long vowels and geminate consonants are written double, e.g. ''aa'', ''cc'', except for {{IPA|/lː/}}, which is written '''l·l''' to avoid confusion with {{IPA|/ʎ/}}, written ''ll''.
#Palatalised, labialised, and aspirated consonants, and tone marks, are not shown. These are explained below.

===Marking Aspiration, Labialisation, and Palatalisation===
*Palatalisation is marked by writing a '''y''' (without a diaeresis) after the letter, except at the end of a word or before another consonant or '''ÿ''', when it is marked by writing '.
*Labialisation is marked by writing '''ʍ''' after the letter.
*Aspiration is marked by writing '''h''' (without a dot) after the letter.

Velyan

2007-07-08T18:09:21Z

Eldin raigmore: /* Consonants */ changed n to ŋ

Velyan is one of the two main [[Wikipedia:Classical_language|classical languages]] of the continent Pellargos, on the planet Máa. Máa is an alternate Earth planet.

==Phonology==
===Vowels===

There are 12 vowels, each of which can be short or long.

 
<div style="text-align: center;">

{| style="text-align: center; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1pt solid #c0c0c0;"
!colspan=11 style="text-align:center; background: #efefef;"| Vowels
|- style="vertical-align: center; font-size: x-small; height: 2em"
| ||colspan=2| Front ||colspan=2| Near-front ||colspan=2| Central ||colspan=2| Near-back ||colspan=2| Back
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| High || {{IPA|i}} || {{IPA|y}} || || || || || || || || {{IPA|u}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Near-high || || || || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| High-mid || || || {{IPA|e}} || {{IPA|ø}} || || || || || || {{IPA|o}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Mid || || || || || {{IPA|ə}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Low-mid || || || {{IPA|ɛ}} || {{IPA|œ}} || || || || || || {{IPA|ɔ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Near-low || || || {{IPA|æ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Low || || || || || {{IPA|a}}
|}

</div>

=== Consonants ===

 
<div style="text-align: center;">

{| style="text-align: center; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1pt solid #c0c0c0;"
!colspan=17 style="text-align:center; background: #efefef;"| Consonants
|- style="vertical-align: center; font-size: x-small; height: 2em"
| ||colspan=2| Bilabial ||colspan=2| Labiod. ||colspan=2| Dental ||colspan=2| Alveolar ||colspan=2| Post-alv. ||colspan=2| Palatal ||colspan=2| Velar ||colspan=2|Uvular ||colspan=2| Glottal
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Nasal || || {{IPA|m}} || || || || {{IPA|n}} || || || || || || {{IPA|ɲ}} || {{IPA|ŋ}} ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Nasal || || {{IPA|mʲ}} || || || || {{IPA|nʲ}} || || || || || || || ŋʲ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Labialised Nasal || || {{IPA|mʷ}} || || || || {{IPA|nʷ}} || || || || || || {{IPA|ɲʷ}} || {{IPA|ŋʷ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Plosive || {{IPA|p}} ({{IPA|b}}) || || || || || {{IPA|t}} ({{IPA|d}}) || || || || || || {{IPA|c}} ({{IPA|ɟ}}) || {{IPA|k}} ({{IPA|g}}) || || {{IPA|q}} ({{IPA|ɢ}}) ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Aspirated Plosive || {{IPA|pʰ}} ({{IPA|bʰ}}) || || || || || {{IPA|tʰ}} ({{IPA|dʰ}}) || || || || || || || {{IPA|kʰ}} ({{IPA|gʰ}}) || || {{IPA|qʰ}} ({{IPA|ɢʰ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Palatalised Plosive || {{IPA|pʲ}} ({{IPA|bʲ}}) || || || || || {{IPA|tʲ}} ({{IPA|dʲ}}) || || || || || || || {{IPA|kʲ}} ({{IPA|gʲ}}) || || ({{IPA|qʲ}}) ({{IPA|ɢʲ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Plosive || {{IPA|pʷ}} ({{IPA|bʷ}}) || || || || || {{IPA|tʷ}} ({{IPA|dʷ}}) || || || || || || {{IPA|cʷ}} ({{IPA|ɟʷ}}) || {{IPA|kʷ}} ({{IPA|gʷ}}) || || {{IPA|qʷ}} ({{IPA|ɢʷ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Fricative || || || || || || {{IPA|s}} ({{IPA|z}}) || ({{IPA|ʃ}}) ({{IPA|ʒ}}) || || || || || ({{IPA|x}}) || {{IPA|h}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Fricative || || || || || || {{IPA|sʲ}} ({{IPA|zʲ}}) || {{IPA|ʃʲ}} ({{IPA|ʒʲ}}) || || || || || ({{IPA|xʲ}}) || ({{IPA|hʲ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Labialised Fricative || || || || || || {{IPA|sʷ}} ({{IPA|zʷ}}) || {{IPA|ʃʷ}} ({{IPA|ʒʷ}}) || || || || || ({{IPA|xʲ}}) || ({{IPA|hʷ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Approximant || {{IPA|ʋ}} || {{IPA|ʍ}} || || || {{IPA|ð}} || || || || || || || {{IPA|j}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Approximant || {{IPA|ʋʲ}}|| || || || {{IPA|ðʲ}} || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Approximant || || || || || {{IPA|ðʷ}} || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rː}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Aspirated Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rːʰ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rːʲ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Labialised Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rːʷ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Aspirated Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾʰ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Palatalised Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾʲ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾʷ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || {{IPA|l}} || || || || {{IPA|ʎ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Palatalised Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || {{IPA|lʲ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || {{IPA|lʷ}}
|}
</div>

===Vowel harmony===
===Consonant Gradation===
The phenomenon of ''consonant gradation'' arises due to a restriction in Velyan words, that prohibits a "strong" syllable from ending in a consonant. A '''strong syllable''' is a syllable that begins with a consonant and is preceded by another ending in (at least) one consonant. When this happens, the consonant or cluster at the beginning of the final syllable undergoes '''lenition''' or softening (although it can be historically explained as a process of '''fortition''' or hardening).

The following changes occur as a result of consonant gradation:
#Geminate phonemes change to simplex ones, e.g. ''tt'' -> ''t'', ''rr'' -> ''r'', ''ss'' -> ''s''.
#''w'' disappears and labialises the preceding consonant.
#''j'' disappears and palatalises the preceding consonant.
#''ḣ'' disappears and aspirates the preceding consonant.

Clusters change as follows:
#Nasals:
##Nasal + voiceless plosive changes to nasal + voiced plosive, e.g. ''mp'' -> ''mb'', ''nt'' -> ''nd'' (or ''nð'')
##Nasal + voiced plosive changes to geminate nasal, e.g. ''mb'' -> ''mm'', ''nd'' -> ''nn'', ''ŋg'' -> ''ŋŋ''
#Liquids:
##''lt'' -> ''ld'' (or ''lð'')
##''ld'' -> ''ll''
##''lp'' -> ''lv''
##''lkU'' -> ''lv''
##''rkU'' -> ''rv''
##''lkI'' -> ''lj''
##''rkI'' -> ''lj''
#Consonant clusters beginning with ''s'':
##''sp'' -> ''sv''
##''st'' -> ''*sr'' -> ''rs''
##''sk'' -> ''ss''
#Consonant clusters ending with ''s'':
##''ps'' -> ''*vs'' -> ''sv''
##''ts'' -> ''rs''
##''ks'' -> ''sy''
#Simplex consonants
##''t'' -> ''r'' (or ''ð'')
##''p'' -> ''v''
##''k'' -> Ø
##''iki'' -> ''iji''
##-UkU'' -> ''UvU''
##''v'' -> ''w''

==Orthography==
Below is a table of the IPA sounds of Velyan, with transcription.

{|
!IPA||Letter||IPA||Letter
|-
|{{IPA|a}}||a||{{IPA|ŋ}}||ƞ
|-
|{{IPA|æ}}||ä||{{IPA|o}}||o
|-
|{{IPA|b}}||b||{{IPA|ø}}||ö
|-
|{{IPA|c}}||c||{{IPA|ᴐ}}||ᴐ
|-
|{{IPA|d}}||d||{{IPA|œ}}||œ
|-
|{{IPA|e}}||e||{{IPA|p}}||p
|-
|{{IPA|ə}}||ə||{{IPA|q}}||q
|-
|{{IPA|ɛ}}||ɛ||{{IPA|ɾ}}||r
|-
|{{IPA|g}}||g||{{IPA|rː}}||rr
|-
|{{IPA|ɢ}}||ɠ||{{IPA|s}}||s
|-
|{{IPA|h}}||ḣ||{{IPA|ʃ}}||š
|-
|{{IPA|i}}||i||{{IPA|t}}||t
|-
|{{IPA|j}}||j||{{IPA|u}}||u
|-
|{{IPA|k}}||k||{{IPA|ʋ}}||v
|-
|{{IPA|l}}||l||{{IPA|ʍ}}||w
|-
|{{IPA|ʎ}}||ll||{{IPA|y}}||ÿ
|-
|{{IPA|m}}||m||{{IPA|z}}||z
|-
|{{IPA|n}}||n||{{IPA|ʒ}}||ž
|-
|{{IPA|ɲ}}||ñ||
|}

Notes:
#Long vowels and geminate consonants are written double, e.g. ''aa'', ''cc'', except for {{IPA|/lː/}}, which is written '''l·l''' to avoid confusion with {{IPA|/ʎ/}}, written ''ll''.
#Palatalised, labialised, and aspirated consonants, and tone marks, are not shown. These are explained below.

===Marking Aspiration, Labialisation, and Palatalisation===
*Palatalisation is marked by writing a '''y''' (without a diaeresis) after the letter, except at the end of a word or before another consonant or '''ÿ''', when it is marked by writing '.
*Labialisation is marked by writing '''ʍ''' after the letter.
*Aspiration is marked by writing '''h''' (without a dot) after the letter.

Velyan

2007-07-08T18:05:04Z

Eldin raigmore: /* Consonant Gradation */ Changed ƞ to ŋ

Velyan is one of the two main [[Wikipedia:Classical_language|classical languages]] of the continent Pellargos, on the planet Máa. Máa is an alternate Earth planet.

==Phonology==
===Vowels===

There are 12 vowels, each of which can be short or long.

 
<div style="text-align: center;">

{| style="text-align: center; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1pt solid #c0c0c0;"
!colspan=11 style="text-align:center; background: #efefef;"| Vowels
|- style="vertical-align: center; font-size: x-small; height: 2em"
| ||colspan=2| Front ||colspan=2| Near-front ||colspan=2| Central ||colspan=2| Near-back ||colspan=2| Back
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| High || {{IPA|i}} || {{IPA|y}} || || || || || || || || {{IPA|u}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Near-high || || || || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| High-mid || || || {{IPA|e}} || {{IPA|ø}} || || || || || || {{IPA|o}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Mid || || || || || {{IPA|ə}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Low-mid || || || {{IPA|ɛ}} || {{IPA|œ}} || || || || || || {{IPA|ɔ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Near-low || || || {{IPA|æ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Low || || || || || {{IPA|a}}
|}

</div>

=== Consonants ===

 
<div style="text-align: center;">

{| style="text-align: center; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1pt solid #c0c0c0;"
!colspan=17 style="text-align:center; background: #efefef;"| Consonants
|- style="vertical-align: center; font-size: x-small; height: 2em"
| ||colspan=2| Bilabial ||colspan=2| Labiod. ||colspan=2| Dental ||colspan=2| Alveolar ||colspan=2| Post-alv. ||colspan=2| Palatal ||colspan=2| Velar ||colspan=2|Uvular ||colspan=2| Glottal
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Nasal || || {{IPA|m}} || || || || {{IPA|n}} || || || || || || {{IPA|ɲ}} || n ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Nasal || || {{IPA|mʲ}} || || || || {{IPA|nʲ}} || || || || || || || ŋʲ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Labialised Nasal || || {{IPA|mʷ}} || || || || {{IPA|nʷ}} || || || || || || {{IPA|ɲʷ}} || nʷ
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Plosive || {{IPA|p}} ({{IPA|b}}) || || || || || {{IPA|t}} ({{IPA|d}}) || || || || || || {{IPA|c}} ({{IPA|ɟ}}) || {{IPA|k}} ({{IPA|g}}) || || {{IPA|q}} ({{IPA|ɢ}}) ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Aspirated Plosive || {{IPA|pʰ}} ({{IPA|bʰ}}) || || || || || {{IPA|tʰ}} ({{IPA|dʰ}}) || || || || || || || {{IPA|kʰ}} ({{IPA|gʰ}}) || || {{IPA|qʰ}} ({{IPA|ɢʰ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Palatalised Plosive || {{IPA|pʲ}} ({{IPA|bʲ}}) || || || || || {{IPA|tʲ}} ({{IPA|dʲ}}) || || || || || || || {{IPA|kʲ}} ({{IPA|gʲ}}) || || ({{IPA|qʲ}}) ({{IPA|ɢʲ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Plosive || {{IPA|pʷ}} ({{IPA|bʷ}}) || || || || || {{IPA|tʷ}} ({{IPA|dʷ}}) || || || || || || {{IPA|cʷ}} ({{IPA|ɟʷ}}) || {{IPA|kʷ}} ({{IPA|gʷ}}) || || {{IPA|qʷ}} ({{IPA|ɢʷ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Fricative || || || || || || {{IPA|s}} ({{IPA|z}}) || ({{IPA|ʃ}}) ({{IPA|ʒ}}) || || || || || ({{IPA|x}}) || {{IPA|h}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Fricative || || || || || || {{IPA|sʲ}} ({{IPA|zʲ}}) || {{IPA|ʃʲ}} ({{IPA|ʒʲ}}) || || || || || ({{IPA|xʲ}}) || ({{IPA|hʲ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Labialised Fricative || || || || || || {{IPA|sʷ}} ({{IPA|zʷ}}) || {{IPA|ʃʷ}} ({{IPA|ʒʷ}}) || || || || || ({{IPA|xʲ}}) || ({{IPA|hʷ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Approximant || {{IPA|ʋ}} || {{IPA|ʍ}} || || || {{IPA|ð}} || || || || || || || {{IPA|j}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Approximant || {{IPA|ʋʲ}}|| || || || {{IPA|ðʲ}} || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Approximant || || || || || {{IPA|ðʷ}} || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rː}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Aspirated Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rːʰ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rːʲ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Labialised Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rːʷ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Aspirated Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾʰ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Palatalised Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾʲ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾʷ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || {{IPA|l}} || || || || {{IPA|ʎ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Palatalised Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || {{IPA|lʲ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || {{IPA|lʷ}}
|}
</div>

===Vowel harmony===
===Consonant Gradation===
The phenomenon of ''consonant gradation'' arises due to a restriction in Velyan words, that prohibits a "strong" syllable from ending in a consonant. A '''strong syllable''' is a syllable that begins with a consonant and is preceded by another ending in (at least) one consonant. When this happens, the consonant or cluster at the beginning of the final syllable undergoes '''lenition''' or softening (although it can be historically explained as a process of '''fortition''' or hardening).

The following changes occur as a result of consonant gradation:
#Geminate phonemes change to simplex ones, e.g. ''tt'' -> ''t'', ''rr'' -> ''r'', ''ss'' -> ''s''.
#''w'' disappears and labialises the preceding consonant.
#''j'' disappears and palatalises the preceding consonant.
#''ḣ'' disappears and aspirates the preceding consonant.

Clusters change as follows:
#Nasals:
##Nasal + voiceless plosive changes to nasal + voiced plosive, e.g. ''mp'' -> ''mb'', ''nt'' -> ''nd'' (or ''nð'')
##Nasal + voiced plosive changes to geminate nasal, e.g. ''mb'' -> ''mm'', ''nd'' -> ''nn'', ''ŋg'' -> ''ŋŋ''
#Liquids:
##''lt'' -> ''ld'' (or ''lð'')
##''ld'' -> ''ll''
##''lp'' -> ''lv''
##''lkU'' -> ''lv''
##''rkU'' -> ''rv''
##''lkI'' -> ''lj''
##''rkI'' -> ''lj''
#Consonant clusters beginning with ''s'':
##''sp'' -> ''sv''
##''st'' -> ''*sr'' -> ''rs''
##''sk'' -> ''ss''
#Consonant clusters ending with ''s'':
##''ps'' -> ''*vs'' -> ''sv''
##''ts'' -> ''rs''
##''ks'' -> ''sy''
#Simplex consonants
##''t'' -> ''r'' (or ''ð'')
##''p'' -> ''v''
##''k'' -> Ø
##''iki'' -> ''iji''
##-UkU'' -> ''UvU''
##''v'' -> ''w''

==Orthography==
Below is a table of the IPA sounds of Velyan, with transcription.

{|
!IPA||Letter||IPA||Letter
|-
|{{IPA|a}}||a||{{IPA|ŋ}}||ƞ
|-
|{{IPA|æ}}||ä||{{IPA|o}}||o
|-
|{{IPA|b}}||b||{{IPA|ø}}||ö
|-
|{{IPA|c}}||c||{{IPA|ᴐ}}||ᴐ
|-
|{{IPA|d}}||d||{{IPA|œ}}||œ
|-
|{{IPA|e}}||e||{{IPA|p}}||p
|-
|{{IPA|ə}}||ə||{{IPA|q}}||q
|-
|{{IPA|ɛ}}||ɛ||{{IPA|ɾ}}||r
|-
|{{IPA|g}}||g||{{IPA|rː}}||rr
|-
|{{IPA|ɢ}}||ɠ||{{IPA|s}}||s
|-
|{{IPA|h}}||ḣ||{{IPA|ʃ}}||š
|-
|{{IPA|i}}||i||{{IPA|t}}||t
|-
|{{IPA|j}}||j||{{IPA|u}}||u
|-
|{{IPA|k}}||k||{{IPA|ʋ}}||v
|-
|{{IPA|l}}||l||{{IPA|ʍ}}||w
|-
|{{IPA|ʎ}}||ll||{{IPA|y}}||ÿ
|-
|{{IPA|m}}||m||{{IPA|z}}||z
|-
|{{IPA|n}}||n||{{IPA|ʒ}}||ž
|-
|{{IPA|ɲ}}||ñ||
|}

Notes:
#Long vowels and geminate consonants are written double, e.g. ''aa'', ''cc'', except for {{IPA|/lː/}}, which is written '''l·l''' to avoid confusion with {{IPA|/ʎ/}}, written ''ll''.
#Palatalised, labialised, and aspirated consonants, and tone marks, are not shown. These are explained below.

===Marking Aspiration, Labialisation, and Palatalisation===
*Palatalisation is marked by writing a '''y''' (without a diaeresis) after the letter, except at the end of a word or before another consonant or '''ÿ''', when it is marked by writing '.
*Labialisation is marked by writing '''ʍ''' after the letter.
*Aspiration is marked by writing '''h''' (without a dot) after the letter.

Velyan

2007-07-08T18:02:59Z

Eldin raigmore: /* Orthography */ changed ƞ to ŋ

Velyan is one of the two main [[Wikipedia:Classical_language|classical languages]] of the continent Pellargos, on the planet Máa. Máa is an alternate Earth planet.

==Phonology==
===Vowels===

There are 12 vowels, each of which can be short or long.

 
<div style="text-align: center;">

{| style="text-align: center; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1pt solid #c0c0c0;"
!colspan=11 style="text-align:center; background: #efefef;"| Vowels
|- style="vertical-align: center; font-size: x-small; height: 2em"
| ||colspan=2| Front ||colspan=2| Near-front ||colspan=2| Central ||colspan=2| Near-back ||colspan=2| Back
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| High || {{IPA|i}} || {{IPA|y}} || || || || || || || || {{IPA|u}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Near-high || || || || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| High-mid || || || {{IPA|e}} || {{IPA|ø}} || || || || || || {{IPA|o}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Mid || || || || || {{IPA|ə}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Low-mid || || || {{IPA|ɛ}} || {{IPA|œ}} || || || || || || {{IPA|ɔ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Near-low || || || {{IPA|æ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Low || || || || || {{IPA|a}}
|}

</div>

=== Consonants ===

 
<div style="text-align: center;">

{| style="text-align: center; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1pt solid #c0c0c0;"
!colspan=17 style="text-align:center; background: #efefef;"| Consonants
|- style="vertical-align: center; font-size: x-small; height: 2em"
| ||colspan=2| Bilabial ||colspan=2| Labiod. ||colspan=2| Dental ||colspan=2| Alveolar ||colspan=2| Post-alv. ||colspan=2| Palatal ||colspan=2| Velar ||colspan=2|Uvular ||colspan=2| Glottal
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Nasal || || {{IPA|m}} || || || || {{IPA|n}} || || || || || || {{IPA|ɲ}} || n ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Nasal || || {{IPA|mʲ}} || || || || {{IPA|nʲ}} || || || || || || || ŋʲ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Labialised Nasal || || {{IPA|mʷ}} || || || || {{IPA|nʷ}} || || || || || || {{IPA|ɲʷ}} || nʷ
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Plosive || {{IPA|p}} ({{IPA|b}}) || || || || || {{IPA|t}} ({{IPA|d}}) || || || || || || {{IPA|c}} ({{IPA|ɟ}}) || {{IPA|k}} ({{IPA|g}}) || || {{IPA|q}} ({{IPA|ɢ}}) ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Aspirated Plosive || {{IPA|pʰ}} ({{IPA|bʰ}}) || || || || || {{IPA|tʰ}} ({{IPA|dʰ}}) || || || || || || || {{IPA|kʰ}} ({{IPA|gʰ}}) || || {{IPA|qʰ}} ({{IPA|ɢʰ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Palatalised Plosive || {{IPA|pʲ}} ({{IPA|bʲ}}) || || || || || {{IPA|tʲ}} ({{IPA|dʲ}}) || || || || || || || {{IPA|kʲ}} ({{IPA|gʲ}}) || || ({{IPA|qʲ}}) ({{IPA|ɢʲ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Plosive || {{IPA|pʷ}} ({{IPA|bʷ}}) || || || || || {{IPA|tʷ}} ({{IPA|dʷ}}) || || || || || || {{IPA|cʷ}} ({{IPA|ɟʷ}}) || {{IPA|kʷ}} ({{IPA|gʷ}}) || || {{IPA|qʷ}} ({{IPA|ɢʷ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Fricative || || || || || || {{IPA|s}} ({{IPA|z}}) || ({{IPA|ʃ}}) ({{IPA|ʒ}}) || || || || || ({{IPA|x}}) || {{IPA|h}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Fricative || || || || || || {{IPA|sʲ}} ({{IPA|zʲ}}) || {{IPA|ʃʲ}} ({{IPA|ʒʲ}}) || || || || || ({{IPA|xʲ}}) || ({{IPA|hʲ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Labialised Fricative || || || || || || {{IPA|sʷ}} ({{IPA|zʷ}}) || {{IPA|ʃʷ}} ({{IPA|ʒʷ}}) || || || || || ({{IPA|xʲ}}) || ({{IPA|hʷ}})
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Approximant || {{IPA|ʋ}} || {{IPA|ʍ}} || || || {{IPA|ð}} || || || || || || || {{IPA|j}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Approximant || {{IPA|ʋʲ}}|| || || || {{IPA|ðʲ}} || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Approximant || || || || || {{IPA|ðʷ}} || || || || || || ||
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rː}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Aspirated Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rːʰ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Palatalised Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rːʲ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Labialised Trill || || || || || || || || {{IPA|rːʷ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Aspirated Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾʰ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Palatalised Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾʲ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Flap || || || || || || || || {{IPA|ɾʷ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;"| Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || {{IPA|l}} || || || || {{IPA|ʎ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Palatalised Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || {{IPA|lʲ}}
|-
|style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%;" | Labialised Lateral Approximant || || || || || || || || {{IPA|lʷ}}
|}
</div>

===Vowel harmony===
===Consonant Gradation===
The phenomenon of ''consonant gradation'' arises due to a restriction in Velyan words, that prohibits a "strong" syllable from ending in a consonant. A '''strong syllable''' is a syllable that begins with a consonant and is preceded by another ending in (at least) one consonant. When this happens, the consonant or cluster at the beginning of the final syllable undergoes '''lenition''' or softening (although it can be historically explained as a process of '''fortition''' or hardening).

The following changes occur as a result of consonant gradation:
#Geminate phonemes change to simplex ones, e.g. ''tt'' -> ''t'', ''rr'' -> ''r'', ''ss'' -> ''s''.
#''w'' disappears and labialises the preceding consonant.
#''j'' disappears and palatalises the preceding consonant.
#''ḣ'' disappears and aspirates the preceding consonant.

Clusters change as follows:
#Nasals:
##Nasal + voiceless plosive changes to nasal + voiced plosive, e.g. ''mp'' -> ''mb'', ''nt'' -> ''nd'' (or ''nð'')
##Nasal + voiced plosive changes to geminate nasal, e.g. ''mb'' -> ''mm'', ''nd'' -> ''nn'', ''ƞg'' -> ''ƞƞ''
#Liquids:
##''lt'' -> ''ld'' (or ''lð'')
##''ld'' -> ''ll''
##''lp'' -> ''lv''
##''lkU'' -> ''lv''
##''rkU'' -> ''rv''
##''lkI'' -> ''lj''
##''rkI'' -> ''lj''
#Consonant clusters beginning with ''s'':
##''sp'' -> ''sv''
##''st'' -> ''*sr'' -> ''rs''
##''sk'' -> ''ss''
#Consonant clusters ending with ''s'':
##''ps'' -> ''*vs'' -> ''sv''
##''ts'' -> ''rs''
##''ks'' -> ''sy''
#Simplex consonants
##''t'' -> ''r'' (or ''ð'')
##''p'' -> ''v''
##''k'' -> Ø
##''iki'' -> ''iji''
##-UkU'' -> ''UvU''
##''v'' -> ''w''

==Orthography==
Below is a table of the IPA sounds of Velyan, with transcription.

{|
!IPA||Letter||IPA||Letter
|-
|{{IPA|a}}||a||{{IPA|ŋ}}||ƞ
|-
|{{IPA|æ}}||ä||{{IPA|o}}||o
|-
|{{IPA|b}}||b||{{IPA|ø}}||ö
|-
|{{IPA|c}}||c||{{IPA|ᴐ}}||ᴐ
|-
|{{IPA|d}}||d||{{IPA|œ}}||œ
|-
|{{IPA|e}}||e||{{IPA|p}}||p
|-
|{{IPA|ə}}||ə||{{IPA|q}}||q
|-
|{{IPA|ɛ}}||ɛ||{{IPA|ɾ}}||r
|-
|{{IPA|g}}||g||{{IPA|rː}}||rr
|-
|{{IPA|ɢ}}||ɠ||{{IPA|s}}||s
|-
|{{IPA|h}}||ḣ||{{IPA|ʃ}}||š
|-
|{{IPA|i}}||i||{{IPA|t}}||t
|-
|{{IPA|j}}||j||{{IPA|u}}||u
|-
|{{IPA|k}}||k||{{IPA|ʋ}}||v
|-
|{{IPA|l}}||l||{{IPA|ʍ}}||w
|-
|{{IPA|ʎ}}||ll||{{IPA|y}}||ÿ
|-
|{{IPA|m}}||m||{{IPA|z}}||z
|-
|{{IPA|n}}||n||{{IPA|ʒ}}||ž
|-
|{{IPA|ɲ}}||ñ||
|}

Notes:
#Long vowels and geminate consonants are written double, e.g. ''aa'', ''cc'', except for {{IPA|/lː/}}, which is written '''l·l''' to avoid confusion with {{IPA|/ʎ/}}, written ''ll''.
#Palatalised, labialised, and aspirated consonants, and tone marks, are not shown. These are explained below.

===Marking Aspiration, Labialisation, and Palatalisation===
*Palatalisation is marked by writing a '''y''' (without a diaeresis) after the letter, except at the end of a word or before another consonant or '''ÿ''', when it is marked by writing '.
*Labialisation is marked by writing '''ʍ''' after the letter.
*Aspiration is marked by writing '''h''' (without a dot) after the letter.

Talk:Velyan

2007-07-08T17:58:28Z

Eldin raigmore: Certain hooked IPA symbols.

Talk:Velyan

2007-07-07T19:20:38Z

Eldin raigmore: /* Velar nasal "eng" */

Looks good.
You might want to join Muke Tever's Frathwiki Yahoo! egroup.

== Velar nasal "eng" ==

ŋ is an IPA symbol that does, in fact, exist here on Frathwiki.

Talk:Velyan

2007-07-07T19:20:19Z

Eldin raigmore: Velar nasal "eng"

Looks good.
You might want to join Muke Tever's Frathwiki Yahoo! egroup.

== Velar nasal "eng" ==

ŋ is an IPA seymbol that does, in fact, exist here on Frathwiki.

Talk:Velyan

2007-07-07T17:44:46Z

Eldin raigmore: I like it so far.

Looks good.
You might want to join Muke Tever's Frathwiki Yahoo! egroup.

User talk:HwkX8x

2007-07-01T19:56:54Z

Eldin raigmore: New page: HwkX8x is a spam-vandal who has never contributed anything but spam. He should be banned.

HwkX8x is a spam-vandal who has never contributed anything but spam. He should be banned.

Talk:Shemspreg

2007-03-14T18:43:21Z

Eldin raigmore: Started "talk" page about Dirk Elzinga's "Shemspreg".

Hi, Dirk. On CONLANG-L you asked for comments on this page, "especially about layout and organization". I haven't studied it well enough to be confident commenting on any substantial content yet, but, as far as layout and organization go, I'd say this is [[''great'']]! Can you create a "template" or some such thing for the rest of us to use? Especially, I like the "sentences" part; can you create a "template" or similar thing for ''that'', if not for the rest?

Thanks.
eldin

Talk:Senjecan language

2007-02-27T19:15:52Z

Eldin raigmore: Told Charlie I like his lexicon (vocabulary glossary wordstock)

Nice!
I see you've implemented glosses of the Swadesh list(s).
Have you got the 850 words of Charles Kay Ogden's "Basic English"?
(Ogden's Basic English Words
Basic English is a simplified version of English language created by Charles Kay Ogden. Here are the 850 words in his order.
ogden.basic-english.org/words.html - 9k - Cached - Similar pages)

User talk:Melroch/Rhodrese

2007-02-27T19:07:45Z

Eldin raigmore: Rhodrese? "User:.."?

Hi!
(1) Is this still an "as yet unnamed Romlang", or is it (at least temporarily and/or provisionally) named "Rhodrese"?
(2) Shouldn't it be in a non-special page entitled "Rhodrese" instead of in a "User:" page?

User talk:Kuroda

2006-09-09T14:58:49Z

Eldin raigmore: /* I was able to add a comment there just now. */

I wanted to say something on "Talk:Kilda Kelen".
Apparently I can't do that.
Should I be able to?
If so, what should be done so that I can?
If not, what should I do instead?
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eldin

I still don't have an answer to this -- I don't know why it's not working. If I can find out, I'll let you know here. Sorry!
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K.

I was able to add a comment there just now. So for at least this moment, and for at least that page, and for at least me, it seems to be working now.

Thanks.
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eldin

Talk:Kilda Kelen

2006-09-09T14:55:43Z

Eldin raigmore: /* This is a test to see whether I can add a comment to this "Talk:" page. */

Talk:Kilda Kelen

2006-09-09T14:54:44Z

Eldin raigmore: This is a test to see whether I can add a comment to this "Talk:" page.

Talk:League of Lost Languages

2006-08-29T22:32:16Z

Eldin raigmore: Answer to an answer.

I removed links to Mærik posts, as these are superceded by the [[Maerik|Mærik]] page. [[User:Melroch|BPJ]] 02:54, 6 Jun 2005 (PDT)
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How do you undo the redirect from "Talk:Kilda Kelen" to here?
If you want to say something about Kilda Kelen, do you have to say it here?
If you try to say something about Kilda Kelen, why does it just disappear into the bit-bucket, instead of showing up in the wrong place (namely here)?

:When you are redirected, below the title a line appears saying "Redirected from [''link to page redirected from'']".

:: Yes, that is true.

:You can click on that and edit the page, removing the #REDIRECT line if you want to remove the redirect;

:: No, that is not true.

:if #REDIRECT remains any other information on the page is considered to be a comment on the redirect and is normally not displayed. —

:: That explains why my comment disappeared.

[[User:Muke|Muke Tever]] | [[User Talk:Muke|✎]] 14:52, 29 August 2006 (PDT)